Adam Kokesh Cancels D.C. March (interview)

[damiengwa]

I think he may have had it driven home to him that the cost of this march would be more than would be reasonable consequences...

But this isn't 'fighting for liberty' v caving, it is, even if he did get pressured, 'this specific march where he would be handing them an obvious law violation to use against him' vs changing the march a bit. I won't prejudge future actions.

Yeah the federal response even shocked me. And you know what, one person won't do it all. But at least we know what scares the living shit out of them. Some on the internet saying "NOW! March on DC." And people actually having balls to sign up for it, publicly. Thousands not afraid of their petty little criminal system, even if they just walked peacefully it would show every one, any time you are ready you can take us down. They can't let the myth of their power to be broken.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

oops double post.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

They can't let the myth of their power to be broken.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to damiengwa again.

 

[damiengwa]

...No idea if his Dad's arrest played into this, but he says he stonewalled them in prison and maybe family was where it got out of bounds.

"But it is quite a different thing to sit by and watch it happening to some one else..." -Kahn Noonien Singh

 

[anaconda]

They got to Adam.

 

[69360]

Glad it's over. What a mess this would have been.

 

[torchbearer]

Here's a podcast discussing the arrest & experience in the detention facility (from Kokesh's perspective), the change in the march, and an interview with Poe. Which will probably answer a lot of questions.

It's pretty long though, just over 1 1/2 hrs.

thanks, good break down.

 

[torchbearer]

They got to Adam.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bolil]

I am bummed about the march, I might still go east just to check out the blue ridge and maybe Fredricksburg, Manassas, and wherever the battle called the Wilderness was fought. I'd like to see where Jackson died, and pay my respects to his memory, Lee's, and everyone that died in that misremembered war.

 

[Working Poor]

I have been tbinking about this and I can say I am glad that the DC march is pretty much a no go.
I feel like violence might would break out and intensify the violence thst is already going on

I know we do need to be heard and acknowledged. The numbers on our side are growing. I wamt peace not more war.

 

[Czolgosz]

Glad the march is cancelled, all that violence. Would hate for the tyrants to be uncomfortable in their tyranny.

 

[damiengwa]

Violence at the march? Bunch of left wing talking points and chicken littles of the liberty movement who think it gets taken back by voting or some silly thing. The march would not have been violent, it would have been a big blow to the US Govt either way. They are not allowed in the city, and that would have made a point, or they would be able to go in, which shows them as so vulnerable. They would not have fired a shot on them. Why are you people so delusional? Peaceful marchers would not be fired upon, especially if they were armed.

 

[anaconda]

Violence at the march? Bunch of left wing talking points and chicken littles of the liberty movement who think it gets taken back by voting or some silly thing. The march would not have been violent, it would have been a big blow to the US Govt either way. They are not allowed in the city, and that would have made a point, or they would be able to go in, which shows them as so vulnerable. They would not have fired a shot on them. Why are you people so delusional? Peaceful marchers would not be fired upon, especially if they were armed.

I think there's something else going on behind the scenes. I'm afraid they got to him in some way.

 

[Weston White]

Really, the D.C. march was really only about establishing a cause of action under a class-action suit, no?

Adam had been clarifying that really the D.C. march was only to entail them marching up to the borderline of D.C. by crossing over a bridge with the expectation that police would be awaiting them they were then going to sound off for an exception to enter the district, get denied about-face and march away. That was all. So really, assuming the city they were marching from permits loaded open carry, there was nothing to be arrested for (which I somehow doubt is the case, e.g., they might be able to open carry while unloaded but not loaded—I could be wrong on that assertion though).

Personally, I think the D.C. march should still go through as planned, although now it could be established as the headmaster or quartermaster march, with the addition of fifty separate state marches to take place all on the same day throughout America.

I think though, the locked-and-loaded aspect should be removed from the mix (for all of the marches); being that the real point is to rise firearms appreciation and awareness of the II Amendment, to challenge the status quo perception on individual rights to keep and bear arms (such can be achieved without the need of cartridges, which for many will result in criminal penal charges).

To also note the D.C. march as a legal/class action would provide for a case to be heard directly within the D.C. Circuit—which would provide for a more impressive impact at the federal level than having merely been reviewed within whichever the Federal Circuit.

Other than that I can only deduce that someone of importance might have told Adam behind the scenes (and was able to reason with him) that D.C. has authority to place whatever reasonable limits on how firearms and muntions are possessed and transferred there and perhaps that relevant SCOTUS cases have even acknowledged this (that effectively should he file suit after the march its outcome will bear his cause no fruit).

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I think there's something else going on behind the scenes. I'm afraid they got to him in some way.

divide and conquer? One big protest is now going to turn into 50 tiny ones if people care what Adam has to say, which I don't anymore..

 

[Lucille]

Cosmotarians at United Liberty didn't get the memo. They published this today:

In light of recent statements made and actions taken by Adam Kokesh, United Liberty wishes to reaffirm its commitment to individual liberty, limited government, free markets, and peace.

We believe there is a bright line between the type of civil disobedience of the 1960s that helped secure the rights of the disenfranchised, and the notion of potentially violent conflict with federal law enforcement.

We endeavor to continue the temperate, reasonable, and incremental work of spreading libertarian ideas through this site and other media. Adam Kokesh is clearly a troubled individual, and his fringe views should in no way ever be construed to be consistent with the ideals we hold dear.

— The Contributors

Via https://twitter.com/cobrown/status/340140520925970433

 

[torchbearer]

divide and conquer? One big protest is now going to turn into 50 tiny ones if people care what Adam has to say, which I don't anymore..

we are doing our own thing in louisiana. someone already started a facebook page for it.
guess where me and most of my caucus will be this july 4?
oh yeah, and it didn't require a leader, or someone doing it for me.
time to be your own leader in your area, and at the very least- believe in yourself.

 

[ZENemy]

divide and conquer? One big protest is now going to turn into 50 tiny ones if people care what Adam has to say, which I don't anymore..

I think so.


If you look back in history one will usual find the both sides of most wars were funded by "The same people"

No reason to think its any different now.

 

[Tod]

So now that I would be legal in carrying armed in my state capitol of Columbus, it sounds like the proposed message I would be telling my state lawmakers is something like:

Ohio Secede Now
Dissolve The Union
Make DC Irrelevant
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[osan]

Ron has admitted that he never expected to win.

An indication of his rationality. Had he held such expectations I would have had to assess him as being in a state of clinical psychosis.

He had no chance. I knew it and so did many others. That doesn't mean he was wrong to try.