Actress Michelle Rodriguez (Avatar, Fast & Furious, Machete) At Los Angeles ZDay Event

[silverhandorder]

Effective communication is all about the level of successfully messing with another's head. It's never a matter of luck that determines the outcome of communication, it is rather the level of comprehension of the communication and the dominant cultural values that determines the nature of the actions taken.

Since I have no survey of what resources you lay claim to, I lack an concise referent of how much your idea of not cooperating with others will effect society at large logistically.

So how you going to make me tell you what resources I got?

 

[Jeremy]

It is interesting to note that an individual with a very high monetary income as well as celebrity social status would be inspired by the idea of a society without money.

Someone in Hollywood is a communist? No way!

 

[Xavi1990]

The rants about the Venus Project being Communist show the lack of understanding about the Venus Project. Calling it Marxist is asinine and is the same nonsense that came out of Alex Jones when he interviewed Peter Joesph.

 

[ClayTrainor]

The rants about the Venus Project being Communist show the lack of understanding about the Venus Project.

"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property." - Karl Marx

How does the VP feel about private property?

 

[Jim Casey]

As the current society collapses he will use any means necessary to meet his needs and wants. He would rather not be as blunt upfront because he would prefer a democracy do his dirty deeds for him and he knows it'll take some fine tuned kumbaya utopian propaganda to get the majority on board at first.

I would prefer to use the best means available to meet my survival needs and adjust my methods by assessing them in order to best achieve certain goals.

According to his(their) plan if people wont voluntarily comply they will be forced to accept his utopian RBE marxist ideals with the motto "For the greater good".

Folks are ultimately forced by natural law to get their survival needs met. I would certainly consider my means of influencing others to embrace my vision for the future society to be more profound than mere sloganeering.

It's really hard to translate his bullshit. It's interesting how whenever he has to give a straight answer to a tough question and it's painfully obvious there's no other logical and reasonable answer then something violent or otherwise negative, his use of the english language suddenly doesn't make any sense anymore.

In three words, I don't know. More specifically, I don't fully understand what level of violence will take place during the transition, but it would be a level I would do my best to minimize. I prefer nonviolent communication.

Please people just ignore him.. Don't feed the zombies, you don't want them to come back for more do you?

To keep with the undead theme, would you consider me to be more of a zombie, or a vampire?

Within a monetary system, there are only two means of survival: Become a prostitute, or become a parasite.

lol, here we go again.

When do I get my free stuff?

You wouldn't own the stuff you get access to in a RBE. If you would like a taste of a similar method of accessing "free stuff", check out some items from your local library.

I think we need new strategy for this troll. He uses our arguments as a platform to spam his own thread and keep it bumped. A)Either ignore him or B) keep asking after every bump for the proof his system works. He can not provide either. Everything is speeches of one communist theoretician after another.

There is plenty of evidence that human behavior can be changed. The society model designed by The Venus Project is based upon technically feasible processes of engineering.

Eliminating resource scarcity = universal happiness. It's a fool-proof plan, guys!!! We should join up.

Happiness isn't the goal in eliminating scarcity of resource access, although higher levels of happiness, freedom, and success can occur when the need to compete to obtain the resources necessary for survival is removed from the societal structure.

Worthy of reposting for this thread:

Is that the same Michelle Rodriguez that did a playboy centerfold back in 2004?

I didn't refer to the practice of nailing pegs into holes without ambiguous intent.

So how you going to make me tell you what resources I got?

If the resources you lay claim to are socially irresponsible, it won't be difficult to quantify. If somebody says the entire continent of Africa is their backyard, we'll know what that individual doesn't want to share.

Someone in Hollywood is a communist? No way!

There is a lot to be said about the cultural environment within that particular part of the world, many specifics of which are not welcome discussions within the context of the cultural environment we are sharing here.

The rants about the Venus Project being Communist show the lack of understanding about the Venus Project. Calling it Marxist is asinine and is the same nonsense that came out of Alex Jones when he interviewed Peter Joesph.

Until the Wright brothers managed to successfully build a flying machine, the scientific establishment extensively documented the purported impossibility of a structure that could carry a man across the sky.

Just as some folks once said "flying is for the birds", some folks today say "society without money is communism".

"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property." - Karl Marx

How does the VP feel about private property?

Rather than abolishing private property, TVP aims to make the concept of private property obsolete.

 

[Liberty Rebellion]

I could never stand Michelle Rodriguez in ANY of the movies I have seen her in, mostly because she plays the EXACT same character: a tough, take-no-shit chic. LAME!

And her liking the Venus Project just makes her even more annoying to me.... NOOOOOOOOOO

 

[silverhandorder]

There is plenty of evidence that human behavior can be changed. The society model designed by The Venus Project is based upon technically feasible processes of engineering.

Jim that does not answer my question. How are you going to convince me? Just saying you will does not mean that you will.

 

[Jim Casey]

I could never stand Michelle Rodriguez in ANY of the movies I have seen her in, mostly because she plays the EXACT same character: a tough, take-no-shit chic. LAME!

And her liking the Venus Project just makes her even more annoying to me.... NOOOOOOOOOO

In a monetary market system, the two methods of survival are prostitution and parasitism. She'll play whatever roles will acquire the purchasing power necessary to pay the price tag on her basic necessities.

Jim that does not answer my question. How are you going to convince me? Just saying you will does not mean that you will.

I don't know how yet. If I did, I already would have. Ultimately it's really just a critical mass of the majority of the population of the society that needs to be convinced for the current system to change.

 

[silverhandorder]

Well what is that critical mass?

 

[Jim Casey]

Well what is that critical mass?

My estimate would be 50%. An analogy would be if 50% of Americans decided to stop filing with the IRS, the income tax system wouldn't work anymore.

 

[silverhandorder]

Sure so howis that 50% going to get their hands on the rest of the resources?

 

[Jim Casey]

Sure so howis that 50% going to get their hands on the rest of the resources?

Distribution systems are built into The Venus Project city design. Technical blueprints for continental societal redesigns will be an emergent transitional development. If the majority of the folks on the continent won't go along with the design, it won't work. They'll be stuck inside the currently collapsing system.

Redesigns on a continental basis would expand to global societal redesign, encompassing ocean cities as well. Polar regions could also be used for surplus food storage.

 

[Xavi1990]

"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property." - Karl Marx

How does the VP feel about private property?

"And be it as on earth as it is in heaven." Your point?

Yes, Marx did say that and in the Venus Project there would be no private property. But the alternative offered by the Venus Project is the antithesis of Marxism.

If you have followed Fresco, you will know he joined the communist party when he was 16 but was quickly kicked out because he asked questions such as: How will Communism augment the Agricultural yield? How will communism house everyone? How will communism stop corruption? And on and on and on.

What Marx offered compared to what Fresco is offering is wholly different. Also, Marxism claims to be a Utopia. Fresco says no such thing as that.

Fresco has thoroughly went through all the notions that it is Communism, or Brave New World and all the other follies that are put forward to deride the Venus Project. I have my own trepidations about the Venus Project such as age of consent, abortion, who decides, etc. But I'd rather live in the Venus Project then this monetary system.

You'll also see my aversions towards Monetary Socialism by looking at my signature.

 

[ClayTrainor]

"And be it as on earth as it is in heaven." Your point?

Yes, Marx did say that and in the Venus Project there would be no private property.

Therefore, the VP is a flavor of marxism, according to marx's opinion, not mine.

 

[silverhandorder]

Distribution systems are built into The Venus Project city design. Technical blueprints for continental societal redesigns will be an emergent transitional development. If the majority of the folks on the continent won't go along with the design, it won't work. They'll be stuck inside the currently collapsing system.

Redesigns on a continental basis would expand to global societal redesign, encompassing ocean cities as well. Polar regions could also be used for surplus food storage.

So you going to make a competing system with the resources you have? Ok gl.

@Xavi

Just because he asked difficult questions of communism does not mean what he is proposing is not communism. To put it bluntly he wants to do socialism the "right" way. Unfortunately for him that is an impossible task.

 

[ClayTrainor]

But the alternative offered by the Venus Project is the antithesis of Marxism.

The antithesis to marxism is private property, according to marx.

"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property." - Karl Marx

 

[Xavi1990]

Therefore, the VP is a flavor of marxism, according to marx's opinion, not mine.

Yes, government, labor, money, police, armies, elites etc. That's all in the Venus Project.

What next? Kucinich is the same as Hitler because he's vegetarian?

 

[Xavi1990]

The antithesis to marxism is private property, according to marx.

"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property." - Karl Marx

And what did Marx offer?

"according to marx" Yes, exactly. According to a man who actually thought that workers would unite and take over the world.

 

[silverhandorder]

Yes, government, labor, money, police, armies, elites etc. That's all in the Venus Project.

What next? Kucinich is the same as Hitler because he's vegetarian?

So what is TVP then? Is it just like some club of people that want to make awesome tech?

 

[ClayTrainor]

Yes, government, labor, money, police, armies, elites etc. That's all in the Venus Project.

Nowhere did I refer to money, police, armies or elites. The communist manifest is just Marx's plan to achieve communism, however I am talking about the core principle of communism, as it was according to marx. Allow me to remind you...

"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property." - Karl Marx

What next? Kucinich is the same as Hitler because he's vegetarian?

Was the Hitlers political philosophy of Nazism based on vegeterianism?

Did hitler ever say something like...

"The philosophy of nazism may be summed up in one sentence, no one can eat meat!"

No, he didn't, because vegetarianism had nothing to do with Hitlers political philosophy which led to crimes against humanity. So it's not a good comparison.