AC-130 gunship was on scene near Benghazi during attack

The CIA would take out Stevens to help Romney be elected. Why wouldn't Obama send the needed security unless he didn't know this was going to happen. He's proven he'll bomb anybody, anywhere. The CIA is running their mouths now claiming they warned him. I bet they fired the RPGs or payed the people that fired them.

But there are a few different factions within the CIA. It isn't uniform in terms of protocol, loyalty and motives. That's what is so dangerous about the nature of the CIA.
 
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The CIA would take out Stevens to help Romney be elected. Why wouldn't Obama send the needed security unless he didn't know this was going to happen. He's proven he'll bomb anybody, anywhere. The CIA is running their mouths now claiming they warned him. I bet they fired the RPGs or payed the people that fired them.

I seriously doubt they will be that reckless with a man in his position. Those kinds of attack hurt recruiting. I really dont think it is the CIA inside attack, the Libyans most likely got lucky and took out a top target.
 
I seriously doubt they will be that reckless with a man in his position. Those kinds of attack hurt recruiting. I really dont think it is the CIA inside attack, the Libyans most likely got lucky and took out a top target.
I'm not even a 911 truther but the CIA largely have no regard for human lives. I wouldn't put anything past them. I do think this was a false flag October surprise. (start complaining a month later that Obama didn't authorize security)
 
I'm not even a 911 truther but the CIA largely have no regard for human lives. I wouldn't put anything past them. I do think this was a false flag October surprise. (start complaining a month later that Obama didn't authorize security)

This is a little off topic but take some time and watch this YT video and I promise you turn into a truther after it.



I agree the CIA have very little regard for human life but killing your own people tend to lower the resolve and passion of your current employees. Who in their mind will continue to work for an organization that disposes of the lives of their top member? Then again, I think all this is irrelevant. The Libyan affair wouldn't affect the election result, the man who helped start the uprising that destroyed Libya is dead. Lets just take this as a learning experience and move on.
 
Interesting call from someone in the know...

 
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The amount of propaganda spilled by everybody in the media, military, and everywhere else means we probably know very little of what happened and why. Remember the propaganda Jessica Lynch story? Or, the propaganda behind the Pat Tillman story? Was anybody ever fired/charged with lies behind those events/stories "leaked" to the public?
 
IS OBAMA UNFIT FOR COMMAND?
Exclusive: Vox Day demands Congress investigate American deaths in Libya
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/is-obama-unfit-for-command/

There were no American helicopters shot down at the CIA annex in Benghazi. But those who have seen the movie, “Blackhawk Down,” will surely recall the scene where the two Delta snipers, Randy Shugart and Gary Gordon, are desperately fighting off the Somali attackers, who are attempting to capture the crew of the downed Black Hawk. Shugart and Gordon, valiant men who were both posthumously awarded the congressional Medal of Honor, killed 25 Somalis while defending the crew before being killed by the enemy militia.

As the details of the large-scale attacks on the American diplomatic compound and the CIA annex gradually leak out into the press, it appears that two of the four fallen Americans, former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, died fighting in a manner no less valorous than Sgt. 1st Class Shugart and Master Sgt. Gordon. While there have been no reliable reports to substantiate the claim as yet, it has been rumored that the two ex-SEALs accounted for even more jihadists than the brave snipers of Mogadishu. If the rumors subsequently turn out to be true, the Battle of Benghazi would merit its place in military history alongside “Blackhawk Down,” the Alamo and other courageous American last stands.

And it would also merit considerable outrage on the part of the SEALs’ families, as well as the American military and the American public. In addition to the remarkable – and to be honest, not very credible – enemy body count, there are also reports, which are laid out in a wiki-timeline of the attack, that the two men requested military support at least three times and were repeatedly denied. It is reported that although the fighting at the annex went on for four hours, six hours and 20 minutes after the attack on the diplomatic mission began, no assistance was provided despite two Special Ops teams and an entire airbase full of jets and helicopters only two hours away. Even worse, the request for military support was denied, despite two surveillance drones that were patrolling the area and providing live information that was available to the White House.
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Now the Navy admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East has been replaced due to an investigation into “an accusation of inappropriate leadership judgment,” there are rumors that Gen. Carter F. Ham, the commander of U.S. Africa Command, has been fired, and the CIA has put out an official statement declaring, “No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need.” The situation fairly reeks of a desperate White House attempting to cover whatever responsibility for the debacle.

It is certainly still possible that the commander in chief was blameless in the entire affair, but that appears unlikely considering the amount of provable untruths that his administration has put forth with regard to it. This is why a public congressional investigation into the Benghazi attacks is required now, not after the election, so that the American people can take the facts of the matter into account while they are deciding if Barack Obama merits a second term.

Obama himself should welcome such an inquiry. Otherwise, he may one day find himself facing the families of Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, and being told something very similar to what Herbert Shughart, the father of Randy Shughart, told Bill Clinton after refusing to shake his hand.

“You are not fit to be president of the United States. The blame for my son’s death rests with the White House and with you. You are not fit to command.”
 
Engaging by fire or otherwise violating a nation's border can only be authorized by one person. And that would be .....

OBAMA WENT TO BED
Matt Bracken 10-25-2012
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But they didn’t. So even though Delta had forward staged to Sigonella Sicily (rumint) from base in Germany, nobody was willing or able to pull the trigger and send a rescue force. Or even a few F-18 supersonic flybys, to bust windows and warn, “Here comes American airpower, and you camel jockeys know what that means.” Just as a morale booster it would have helped the besieged staffers.

But it was never sent, not even a lousy supersonic low-level flyby. One hour from bases in Italy, max.
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But while all of that military staging would have happened/did happen during the 6-8 hour battle at the consulate and annex, what the military cannot do on their own say-so is cross an international border without an order from the NCA, the National Command Authority, and that means POTUS, Obama.

Only POTUS can authorize a cross-border hostile mission. That is, guns clear, no official permission from the Tripoli govt (if it really exists outside State Dept fantasies.)
Only one man can pull that trigger and say, “GO!” Obama.


(But for America to act “unilaterally” would have meant the bogus Libyan Arab Spring and so-called new Libyan Unity Govt. that we were propping up didn’t really exist. Libyan sovereignty must be held sacrosanct, even the false image of one, where in reality, Al Queda is top dog in Libya. Even when an Al Queda offshoot is your external “security,” namely, “The 17th of February Martyrs Brigade.” IOW, the White House thought they had a “deal” with AQ in Behghazi, since we were helping to run weaponry from Libya to their pals in Syria. So there was an “institutional bias” at State against crossing the border on a rescue operation sin permisso.)
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This article indirectly makes a good point.

The question that is not being addressed in the media is whether the "recognized authority" in Libya refused to respond to the violence, or refused to grant the US permission to send in US military. If Libya is a sovereign nation, any action by our military without permission is an act of war, despite what the chest-beating militarists and war-mongers say.

There was no US Embassy in Benghazi. These were nothing but compounds, and they do not have the same legal protections that Embassies enjoy.

As a matter of fact, one of the most disturbing aspects of this story is the militarists who are now claiming that it (US Military intervention) is not an act of war, and the military is the solution in all circumstances. What will be the fallout? More pressure for military solutions? Are these the same people who will be claiming in a few years that armed drones firing in the US is perfectly acceptable?

Obama screwed up before this attack occurred by not providing proper security and limitations on the Ambassador (or knowingly putting him in danger), and his lame attempts at spin after the fact are pathetic. To use this as justification for indiscriminate military action in countries that we are not at war with is extremely dangerous, more to the rule of law and the Constitution than to the helpless countries that the war mongers want to violate with impunity.
 
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Ok, it has been established that the Obama Administration has been caught shipping weapons to the Sinaloa Cartel. Is it that much of a stretch to conclude that they have been discretely supplying arms to the 'Syrian Rebels' AKA Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood?? And coincidentally the Administration's point man for all these "transactions", Ambassador Stevens is killed in these attacks, conveniently washing away a key potential leak.

Probably more that backroom deals were being made with shady characters, and some of those shady characters or their associates decided that assassinating the US ambassador was a good idea.

All a big failure for Obama and Hillary, which explains all of their pathetic cover-up and spin attempts.
 
Three pages of posts, and nobody has asked:

Why the hell were there Marines in Libya? And why the hell was an AC-130 gunship in range of Libya?
 
Three pages of posts, and nobody has asked:

Why the hell were there Marines in Libya? And why the hell was an AC-130 gunship in range of Libya?

A) Do yourself a favour and switch to 40 posts per page.

B) Apparently the U.S. was smuggling man portable anti-aircraft missiles to Al Qaeda in Syria through Libya and was trying to buy them back.

C) The CiC ordered a stand down of the automatic military response to rescue those involved. The AC-130 is part of the automatic response. As soon as an Ambassador is in trouble the military moves into gear, it requires a stop order, not a go order.
 
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Three pages of posts, and nobody has asked:

Why the hell were there Marines in Libya? And why the hell was an AC-130 gunship in range of Libya?

The personnel actually there were security, and iirc, ex-military.

Gunship would probably be at a field in a nearby NATO country. The title of the thread may be incorrect, not sure that there is confirmation of a gunship actually "on-scene".
 
Engaging by fire or otherwise violating a nation's border can only be authorized by one person. And that would be .....

OBAMA WENT TO BED
Matt Bracken 10-25-2012



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I think that’s the big secret they are keeping. The President went to bed, with his lost Ambassador being dragged through streets.


[/B]Obama went to bed.

I read that they were repeatedly denied assistance. The moral of the story is, you do NOT want to be an ambassador on Obama's watch. (Or a SEAL, or CIA, or anything else, for that matter.)

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/



ETA:

Report: Hillary Asked For More Security in Benghazi, Obama Said No
http://nation.foxnews.com/hillary-c...security-benghazi-obama-said-no#ixzz2AWCoOdrP

Building up Hillary's "iron lady" creds?

 
C) The CiC ordered a stand down of the automatic military response to rescue those involved. The AC-130 is part of the automatic response. As soon as an Ambassador is in trouble the military moves into gear, it requires a stop order, not a go order.
Sing it children, 'Puff The Magic Dragon... Lived By The Sea..."
 
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Three pages of posts, and nobody has asked:

Why the hell were there Marines in Libya? And why the hell was an AC-130 gunship in range of Libya?

Yea and why were they there at night time. Everyone knows US embassies close at 5pm and probably leave the building at 6pm. My guess all along is that they were handing out in a CIA safe house or something of that nature. Remember Stevens was a big player in organizing the rebels in Benghazi that ravaged that country
 
Yea and why were they there at night time. Everyone knows US embassies close at 5pm and probably leave the building at 6pm. My guess all along is that they were handing out in a CIA safe house or something of that nature. Remember Stevens was a big player in organizing the rebels in Benghazi that ravaged that country

Yep, there was no US Embassy in Benghazi. Just a semi-safe house for him to spend the night in after doing some discreet business.
 
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