AC-130 gunship was on scene near Benghazi during attack

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Does anyone understand any of this??? Why let the consulate get overrun??? Were these valuable fighters from AL-CIA that weren't supposed to be touched? This doesn't make any sense.

http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/...ama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire-2444464.html
The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.
 
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Hmmm. Interesting rumors:

http://www.conservativedailynews.co...els-with-ties-to-al-queda-muslim-brotherhood/

To fully understand what happened in Benghazi, we need to step back. Ambassador Stevens was located in a CIA safehouse (otherwise known as the building burned down during attack)–that location is where on the night of the attack he dined with the Turkish General Counsel. Why? Why was Stevens meeting with this Turkish official? Apparently, in reports the US was gun running weapons through Turkey to aid the Syrian Rebels, but the real kicker here is that we handed over 400 tons in one shipment, to Al Queda and the Muslim Brotherhood, who are the leaders of these so called “Syrian Rebels”. We can speculate what the Turkish General Counsel talked with Ambassador Stevens about that night—but what is clear is that the Al Queda backed forces were on scene whilst the two men dined.
 
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Engaging by fire or otherwise violating a nation's border can only be authorized by one person. And that would be .....

OBAMA WENT TO BED
Matt Bracken 10-25-2012



The biggest stench from the Benghazi fiasco is that it is beginning to smell like Obama went “nighty-night” to rest up for Las Vegas, instead of manning up in the Situation Room and seeing the crisis through and (had he only been awake) ordering a rescue mission.
In Benghazi, after 6-8 hours enduring a few “Fort Apaches,” with running street battles in … between, (like a mini Blackhawk Down), the living Americans must have been thinking, “Any minute now, here come the helicopters! Just hang on!”


But they didn’t. So even though Delta had forward staged to Sigonella Sicily (rumint) from base in Germany, nobody was willing or able to pull the trigger and send a rescue force. Or even a few F-18 supersonic flybys, to bust windows and warn, “Here comes American airpower, and you camel jockeys know what that means.” Just as a morale booster it would have helped the besieged staffers.


But it was never sent, not even a lousy supersonic low-level flyby. One hour from bases in Italy, max.


Here is the deal. The military automatically does a lot on its own, under standing orders and SOPs. The minute they see that the consulate is under attack, and the ambassador and others are in a “safe room” hiding, it becomes TOP priority. Every other mission aborts or slaves over to support any possible rescue.


At that moment when the critical incident alarm messages start ringing, military steps happen on autopilot in real time. Everybody in the Navy and USAF chain of command swings into a crisis contingency plan mode. What ships are closest? Helicopters? Marines? Delta is in Germany? Get them moving right now. Where is closest? Sigonella, for now. It’s NATO, no permission needed, just fly.


En route in C-17s, the D-boys would even be prepping for an immediate action rescue mission, that is, the C-17s will fly directly to some desert road outside of Benghazi, and here comes “The Raid On Entebbe,” done in crisis mode, canned actions, but they would do it. They practice for these exact scenarios, and leave gear staged for them.
They would coordinate with fighters out of Italy, mid-air-refueling platforms start shifting, it’s a huge show that swings into action for thousands of miles around Behghazi. The ongoing consulate attack is JOB ONE, the only job. VIPs will be tossed off of planes at remote runways if they need that platform.


Or Marines on amphibious ships in the central Med, (if any were available), would also be put on the real-time options board. We used to have a “Amphibious Ready Group” of about 3-5 USN gator freighters, including a helo carrier like a Tarawa class. They carry an entire battalion of USMC, plus SEALs etc, with helos and Ospreys to carry them all. (But not at once.) Where was our ARG? Does our Navy have enough ships for that mission any more?
But while all of that military staging would have happened/did happen during the 6-8 hour battle at the consulate and annex, what the military cannot do on their own say-so is cross an international border without an order from the NCA, the National Command Authority, and that means POTUS, Obama.


Only POTUS can authorize a cross-border hostile mission. That is, guns clear, no official permission from the Tripoli govt (if it really exists outside State Dept fantasies.)
Only one man can pull that trigger and say, “GO!” Obama.


(But for America to act “unilaterally” would have meant the bogus Libyan Arab Spring and so-called new Libyan Unity Govt. that we were propping up didn’t really exist. Libyan sovereignty must be held sacrosanct, even the false image of one, where in reality, Al Queda is top dog in Libya. Even when an Al Queda offshoot is your external “security,” namely, “The 17th of February Martyrs Brigade.” IOW, the White House thought they had a “deal” with AQ in Behghazi, since we were helping to run weaponry from Libya to their pals in Syria. So there was an “institutional bias” at State against crossing the border on a rescue operation sin permisso.)


Anyway, be that as it may, no General or Admiral will order the Marines ashore, or a Delta raid or even an F-18 or F-16 low-level supersonic flyby. They can not and will not cross a border without a clear-cut order from POTUS via the NCA. Not even Hillary can make that decision. Only Obama.


But no order came, as of midnight in DC. And then none would come. Because the POTUS retired for the night with a “do not disturb” sign on his door, punted, and went to bed, to be well rested for Las Vegas.


While his ambassador was off the U.S. radar, missing, at that moment possibly being dragged down a Benghazi street or even raped. But that is when Obama went to bed. Midnight in DC is 0600 in Beghazi.


That is the greatest scandal of Benghazi. The POTUS slept through it, while all around the world, military forces were poised for the Raid on Entebbe or any other damn thing the POTUS ordered them to do. (And the were raring to go, believe me.)


But the POTUS said, “We’ll discuss it further in the morning,” and then he went to bed around midnight in DC, 0600 in Benghazi, with a missing ambassador and a full-blown crisis in full mega flap.


He punted. He went to bed.


God help us.


I think that’s the big secret they are keeping. The President went to bed, with his lost Ambassador being dragged through streets.


Obama went to bed.
 
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Ok, it has been established that the Obama Administration has been caught shipping weapons to the Sinaloa Cartel. Is it that much of a stretch to conclude that they have been discretely supplying arms to the 'Syrian Rebels' AKA Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood?? And coincidentally the Administration's point man for all these "transactions", Ambassador Stevens is killed in these attacks, conveniently washing away a key potential leak.
 
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Ok, it has been established that the Obama Administration has been caught shipping weapons to the Sinaloa Cartel. Is it that much of a stretch to conclude that they have been discretely supplying arms to the 'Syrian Rebels' AKA Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood?? And coincidentally the Administration's point man for all these "transactions", Ambassador Stevens is killed in these attacks, conveniently washing away a key potential leak.

Possibly.

I don't know what the gunship could have done, though. I mean, I know what they're capable of. I just don't know if spraying down thousands of bullets on a crowd of people would have helped the situation any.


That said, there is a lot that the president doesn't seem to want to talk about with the election right around the corner, of course. He probably wishes he could just go off to bed from now until election day.
 
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Heard on the radio that rescue ground forces were in the area but not given the go ahead by the White House. Probably a rumor.
 
There never was a consulate or embassy in Benghazi. The whole thing smells like a false flag.
 
Heard on the radio that rescue ground forces were in the area but not given the go ahead by the White House. Probably a rumor.

I read that they were repeatedly denied assistance. The moral of the story is, you do NOT want to be an ambassador on Obama's watch. (Or a SEAL, or CIA, or anything else, for that matter.)

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later on the annex itself was denied by the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
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The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they were never told to deploy. In fact, a Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Spectre gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.

According to sources on the ground during the attack, the special operator on the roof of the CIA annex had visual contact and a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex. The operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from.

Fox News has learned that there were two military surveillance drones redirected to Benghazi shortly after the attack on the consulate began. They were already in the vicinity. The second surveillance craft was sent to relieve the first drone, perhaps due to fuel issues. Both were capable of sending real time visuals back to U.S. officials in Washington, D.C. Any U.S. official or agency with the proper clearance, including the White House Situation Room, State Department, CIA, Pentagon and others, could call up that video in real time on their computers.

ETA:

Report: Hillary Asked For More Security in Benghazi, Obama Said No
http://nation.foxnews.com/hillary-c...security-benghazi-obama-said-no#ixzz2AWCoOdrP

Last night, it was revealed that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had ordered more security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi before it was attacked where four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens were murdered by Al-Qaeda but President Obama denied the request.

The news broke on TheBlazeTV’s “Wilkow!” hosted by Andrew Wilkow, by best-selling author, Ed Klein who said the legal counsel to Clinton had informed him of this information.

Klein also said that those same sources said that former President Bill Clinton has been “urging” his wife [Hillary] to release official State Department documents that prove she called for additional security at the compound in Libya, which would almost certainly result in President Obama losing the election.
 
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Nearly 500 miles away is "on scene"? To me, "on scene" sounds like it was in the air in the area.

The paragraph cites that the operator had the enemy laser-targeted for air support. Either the article is inaccurate or a C-130 was relatively close-by.
 
Can't tell the players without a program,,

Who's who,,? or what's what? Our government and the media lie so consistently, nothing said can be taken at face value.

that said,, I wonder what "Spooky" was doing there in the first place?
:confused:

Perhaps our own government took out our own guy for reasons that aren't specified,, and the rest is bullshit cover stories.
 
If it was at the base, it would have taken over an hour just in flight time for an AC-130 to get there (flight speed listed as 350- 400 mph)- not counting time to prep the plane and get pilots on it. Perhaps the thought was that things would be over by the time they got word that something was going on and one might be needed? Given that information keeps changing things seem to have been pretty confusing as to what was really going on.
 
It's all too convoluted for me to make much sense of, but one thing it does do is make me sick to my stomach. :mad:

When collectivism and demented utilitarianism rule the day, individual lives are readily sacrificial. The machine is unaffected and will continue to move. I no longer expect justice, but instead injustice.
 
is it yet time to start asking questions such as "which donor at the Las Vegas fundraiser Obama attended the next day wanted Stevens dead?"
 
There is something definitely inconsistent from all the statements versus the available facts. It really seems that the actions of the Navy Seal, Tyrone Woods, by disobeying orders, is what really made this set of events spiral out of control and change the outcome that those in-charge were expecting.

It screams to me a political cover-up due to the fact that the two top commanders in the region have been removed from their positions in the month since the events transpired, prior to a comprehensive review which would be required to terminate such seasoned officers.

Some additional places to read for more insight:

This article seems to connect the dots:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50586
 
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I don't buy it. There is no reason to think Obama, who is also a warmongering interventionist, would not have done something about it. The alleged consulate was actually a CIA safe house. This was most likely a CIA false flag op in which they acted independently from the white house for political reasons.
 
I don't buy it. There is no reason to think Obama, who is also a warmongering interventionist, would not have done something about it. The alleged consulate was actually a CIA safe house. This was most likely a CIA false flag op in which they acted independently from the white house for political reasons.

Quite frankly I think its just a case of blow back. The Libyans people(same ones fighting the puppet govt in Bani Walid) exerted revenge on one of the architects of the war in Libya. Why the hell would Obama or the CIA wanna take out a loyal solider in Stevens? And the tall tale of 2 Navy Seals holding off a platoon of "terrorists" is just that, tall fricken tales.

My guess is that the administration were faced with a blow back story and tried to covered it with a silly reason like the YT video. That the people being liberated are out kicking out the so called liberators is not something you want to be in news coverage during an election time.
 
Quite frankly I think its just a case of blow back. The Libyans people(same ones fighting the puppet govt in Bani Walid) exerted revenge on one of the architects of the war in Libya. Why the hell would Obama or the CIA wanna take out a loyal solider in Stevens? And the tall tale of 2 Navy Seals holding off a platoon of "terrorists" is just that, tall fricken tales.

My guess is that the administration were faced with a blow back story and tried to covered it with a silly reason like the YT video. That the people being liberated are out kicking out the so called liberators is not something you want to be in news coverage during an election time.
The CIA would take out Stevens to help Romney be elected. Why wouldn't Obama send the needed security unless he didn't know this was going to happen. He's proven he'll bomb anybody, anywhere. The CIA is running their mouths now claiming they warned him. I bet they fired the RPGs or payed the people that fired them.
 
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