Abortion

[JosephTheLibertarian]

the correct response is "we get our rights from our creator" but.. people end up thinking I'm some religious nut when I say that

 

[TooConservative]

One of the better arguments you can muster is just how bad Roe is as constitutional law. It corrupts the Constitution and the role of the judiciary.

Even the biggest pro-abortion liberal legal scholars readily acknowledge how bad it is legally.

More than that, it has never been revisited as more medical information becomes available. Nor have any restrictions on abortion ever been allowed by the Court even though Roe makes it perfectly clear that restrictions are allowed and desirable.

 

[iddo]

Here is Ron Paul on abortion:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#On_abortion

 

[kry0nik]

My personal take on abortion is choice begins with conception. Once you have consented to have sex, you have made your choice to accept the potential consequences that come with it. The only way to fix the abortion problem (which 90% plus of us can agree is something we should be trying to eliminate the need for) is not to make a new law banning or holding up the current un-constitutional right to conveniently fix a lack of personal responsibility. Rather, children and adults alike need to be educated that "choice" begins with who you choose to have sex with. If you choose wisely or unwisely with partners and protection, you should be adult enough to accept the responsibility implied.

I'm not naive to think we should teach moral abstinence programs exclusively to children, nor do I think we should have the local indoctrination centers showing children how to put a condom on with a banana or dispense birth control like candy. Young people should be taught to stay away from sex with other people UNLESS they are ready to accept the consequences. Masturbate, get toys...whatever you need to do to explore yourself. Keep away from the opposite sex until/unless you are ready to be responsible for your genitalia, and accept the potential outcome of adult activity.

 

[kylejack]

My personal take on abortion is choice begins with conception. Once you have consented to have sex, you have made your choice to accept the potential consequences that come with it.

How does your perspective change if one didn't make this choice, and sex was thrust upon one?

 

[ladyliberty]

I have alot of really retarded democrat friends. They have been driving me insane with thier constant attacks on ron paul. The only point against him they really make is that he supports overturning Roe v Wade. It seems like they put Roe V Wade on a much higher level of importance then our own consitution. These people are driving me insane. Here is a blog post I recently made to try and explain the situation to them. Let me know if I am forgetting anything...

Abortion

It is starting to seem like everyone I know is obsessed with abortion.



I tell people about Ron Paul, and they come back with "No I cant support him because he wants to overturn Roe V Wade". I try to explain that it should be overturned because the federal government does not have power to issue a ruling like that. I try to explain that abortions would still be legal in pennsylvania even if Roe v Wade was overturned....people dont care. They automatically hate him because they heard he wants to overturn Roe v Wade.

I understand how some people are extremely zealous pro-lifers. This is thier religous belief and they think they are on a mission from god to stop abortions. Crazy? Yes....but it is still understandable. They think abortion is murder so they are trying to stop murder of the innocent. Not that crazy when you really think about it.

What I dont understand at all is how people become so passionatly pro-choice. These are people who have never studied birth, are not doctors, yet they are 100% convinced that making sure everyone in the world can have abortions is a top priority. It is like these people are planning to have 50 abortions in the future.

We live in a country where legislation like the "patriot" act is routinely passed, we are in a never ending occupation of iraq and about to goto war with Iran. Our president talks about World War 3 like it is unavoidable. We are being taxed by an illegal institution (The federal reserve) at much higher rates then we were prior to the American revolution. We have an extremely bloated budget, are trillions in debt, and the value of the dollar is continuosly falling. We have secret torture camps all around the world, and people can be indefinitly detained at these places without charges. Not to mention the insanely expensive "war on drugs". Abuses of civil liberties are completely out of control and getting worse by the day.

I tell people I know a man named Ron Paul who will solve all of these things And they say, "Oh he wants to overturn Roe v Wade, i cant vote for him". Ahhh! It makes me want to pull my hair out.

I am pro-choice. I dont think anyone knows "when life begins", so I am pro-choice. We dont have enough information to say it is murder. I certainly dont think it is murder in the first few months. Near the end of the pregnancy it gets much more complicated. The way our current laws are, a women could have an abortion a day before she is scheduled to deliver her baby and face no repercussions. If the next day, after she gave birth, she killed her baby, she would goto jail for life. That doesn't really make sence to me.

So supporting Roe v Wade is supporting that people far away, who believe abortion is murder, can still have abortions without leaving thier state. It makes no freaking sence to me how people get all fired up and passionate about supporting Roe v Wade.

So can someone give me some input about why they so strongly support Roe V Wade? And is this really enough to convince you not to vote for OB/GYN Ron Paul?

Democrats hate America and they hate women in particular!

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[shadowhooch]

How about addressing the abortion issue with Democrats like this....

Ron Paul simply wants to restore the "Republic" aspect of the United States. He does not like one monotheic answer for a very difficult issue. That is why this very difficult issue needs to be resolved at the state level.

True, his personal beliefs are pro-life. But he does not want to force those beliefs on you by appointing a pro-choice or pro-life Federal judge. By having many solutions to a difficult problem, eventually the right one will come to the surface.

It is the same thing with criminal law and capital punishment. Each state has their own laws regarding capital punishment. What is the right answer? I don't know. But it is being sorted out many different ways. That is the beauty of having a Republic.