Abortion Opponents Don't Want Patients Crossing State Lines

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Abortion Opponents Don't Want Patients Crossing State Lines
Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people in states where abortion is banned from seeking the procedure elsewhere, according to people involved in the discussions.
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The Thomas More Society, a conservative legal organization, is drafting model legislation for state lawmakers that would allow private citizens to sue anyone who helps a resident of a state that has banned abortion from terminating a pregnancy outside of that state. The draft language will borrow from the novel legal strategy behind a Texas abortion ban enacted last year in which private citizens were empowered to enforce the law through civil litigation.

The subject was much discussed at two national antiabortion conferences last weekend, with several lawmakers interested in introducing these kinds of bills in their own states.

The National Association of Christian Lawmakers, an antiabortion organization led by Republican state legislators, has begun working with the authors of the Texas abortion ban to explore model legislation that would restrict people from crossing state lines for abortions, said Texas state representative Tom Oliverson (R), the charter chair of the group’s national legislative council.

“Just because you jump across a state line doesn’t mean your home state doesn’t have jurisdiction,” said Peter Breen, vice president and senior counsel for the Thomas More Society. “It’s not a free abortion card when you drive across the state line.”
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These kinds of bills could be proposed even before state legislatures reconvene for their regular 2023 legislative sessions, said Arkansas state Sen. Jason Rapert (R). His home state, he said, may soon address this issue in an already planned special session. Another Arkansas senator, he said, has expressed interest in introducing that legislation.

“Many of us have supported legislation to stop human trafficking,” said Rapert, president of the National Association of Christian Lawmakers. “So why is there a pass on people trafficking women in order to make money off of aborting their babies?”

In a television interview over the weekend, South Dakota Gov. Kristi L. Noem (R) left the door open to restricting out-of-state abortions in her state, where a trigger ban took effect as soon as Roe was overturned. The governor, who has called a special session to discuss abortion legislation, said the topic may be debated in South Dakota in the future.

Dale Bartscher, the executive director of South Dakota Right to Life, the leading antiabortion organization in South Dakota, said he was “very interested” in stopping South Dakota residents from accessing abortion in other states.
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The idea to restrict out-of-state abortions surfaced earlier this year, when Missouri state Rep. Mary Elizabeth Coleman (R), who is special counsel at the Thomas More Society, proposed legislation that relied on the Texas-style enforcement mechanism. While Coleman’s bill failed to pass in the 2022 legislative session, Coleman said she has heard from multiple lawmakers and antiabortion advocates in other states who are eager to pursue similar legislation.

The issue is particularly pertinent in Coleman’s home state of Missouri, which outlawed abortion with a trigger ban that took effect within an hour of the Supreme Court’s decision. As many as 14,000 people are expected to flood into southern Illinois this year, including thousands of Missouri residents, according to Planned Parenthood.

I'm in Illinois, across the river from St. Louis. There are two abortion clinics within 5 miles of me. Prior to the SC decision, they were getting less than 20 calls a day. Now they're getting hundreds. You can still purchase fairly inexpensive homes around here - so I'm thinking it might be a good time to get into the AirBnB business.
 
Bad idea. Nobody needs a precedent like this in place when, say, Washington State, home of Bill Gates, starts euthanizing old people.

"We call it a medical procedure, so you can't leave! Ha ha!"

Too far fetched for you? Everything was too far fetched in 2018...
 
Abortion Opponents Don't Want Patients Crossing State Lines


I'm in Illinois, across the river from St. Louis. There are two abortion clinics within 5 miles of me. Prior to the SC decision, they were getting less than 20 calls a day. Now they're getting hundreds. You can still purchase fairly inexpensive homes around here - so I'm thinking it might be a good time to get into the AirBnB business.

People are such freaking lemmings. On both sides. "OMG! I've got to make sure that every woman everywhere that wants to kill her baby can." vs "OMG! I've got to stop every woman everywhere that might want to have an abortion from having one!" How about, I dunno, an actual conversation on the issue? Let's see. The most extreme abortion laws allow abortions for the first 6 weeks. Maybe, just maybe, if you're having sex and you don't want to be pregnant, you can take a pregnancy test once a month and be able to have an abortion if you really want one even in Texas with two weeks to spare? And on the flip side, if you're pro life, maybe this time and energy your trying to spend forcing women who don't want to have abortions to stay in your state could be spent seeking out homeless families to house? I mean...since you care about kids. And maybe, just maybe, EVERYBODY could pressure the FDA to approve Vagasel already? That's the easily reversible, as good as vasectomy but cheaper and less painful long term birth control for men that is available in countries like India but not the United States.
 
Bad idea. Nobody needs a precedent like this in place when, say, Washington State, home of Bill Gates, starts euthanizing old people.

"We call it a medical procedure, so you can't leave! Ha ha!"

Too far fetched for you? Everything was too far fetched in 2018...

More likely gun store owners in State A get sued by residents in State B because someone from State B crossed state lines, bought a gun in State A that's not legal in State B and shot people in State B.
 
How about, I dunno, an actual conversation on the issue?

You've got a lot to learn about dividing and conquering a population for fun, power and more profits than you can spend in a lifetime.
 
I think there are some pro-lifers, possibly a frighteningly high number even, who, if you asked them, "Should America invade countries whose governments promote or fail to restrict abortion in order to replace those governments with pro-life ones?" they would say, "Absolutely!"
 
They wouldn't have to cross state lines if the people who are pro abortion just packed up and moved to a blue state.
 
Bad idea.

Check it out. I know the guy. He bought the place in foreclosure for $45K. Re-did a lot of drywall. Added chainlink fence and a deck. Paint and Putty. Charging $170 a night. Advertizes it as being close to a dispensary (for those on a cannabis holiday).

I figure if I bought a couple of these places, and coordinate with the National Organization for Women - they could organize it so that multiple women (and or their families) could make use of the place. That'd keep the place booked, and money flowing, essentially forever.

I imagine there's probably grassroots efforts underway to plan routes from red states to blue states with AirBnB stopovers on the routes - like an internet-assisted underground railway.
 
The most extreme abortion laws allow abortions for the first 6 weeks.

If my understanding is correct: Abortion is now illegal across the river from me, in Missouri, the only exception being "medical emergencies" (and doctors are saying they're even concerned then - because of the vagueness of the language)
Under Missouri’s trigger law passed in 2019, abortions will only be permitted in cases of a medical emergency. There are no exceptions for rape or incest under the law.

Health care providers who violate the law can be guilty of a class B felony, which can result in five to 15 years in prison, and have their medical license suspended or revoked.

People who receive an abortion cannot be prosecuted in violation of the law.
 
If my understanding is correct: Abortion is now illegal across the river from me, in Missouri, the only exception being "medical emergencies" (and doctors are saying they're even concerned then - because of the vagueness of the language)

Read the law for yourself here:

https://www.kansascity.com/latest-n...uri trigger law.pdf#storylink=readmore_inline

From the law on line 148:

No abortion shall be performed or induced on an unborn child of twenty-two weeksgestational age or older​

By comparison the U.K. abortion law bans abortion after twenty-four weeks. The difference is the U.K. law provides a "life, physical health or severely deformed fetus" exception whereas the Missouri law does not. That said, at twenty-two weeks it's possibly (slightly) for a fetus to survive outside the womb. So....why kill it? Why not just medically induce the birth (a form of abortion) but work to save the baby if possible?
 
People are such freaking lemmings. On both sides. "OMG! I've got to make sure that every woman everywhere that wants to kill her baby can." vs "OMG! I've got to stop every woman everywhere that might want to have an abortion from having one!" How about, I dunno, an actual conversation on the issue? Let's see. The most extreme abortion laws allow abortions for the first 6 weeks. Maybe, just maybe, if you're having sex and you don't want to be pregnant, you can take a pregnancy test once a month and be able to have an abortion if you really want one even in Texas with two weeks to spare? And on the flip side, if you're pro life, maybe this time and energy your trying to spend forcing women who don't want to have abortions to stay in your state could be spent seeking out homeless families to house? I mean...since you care about kids. And maybe, just maybe, EVERYBODY could pressure the FDA to approve Vagasel already? That's the easily reversible, as good as vasectomy but cheaper and less painful long term birth control for men that is available in countries like India but not the United States.

It's a wedge issue by design (which I'm sure everyone here knows). One extreme is "every sperm is sacred" whereas the other extreme is "abortion should be legal until the baby slides past the magical vagina gate and the ref calls 'Safe!'" Most people are somewhere between those extremes but any cut-off point is going to be arbitrary, hence the division (in some cases to a lesser degree perhaps, such as using quantifiable characteristics such as a heart beat, etc.).

Most states seem to have abortion deadlines well beyond 6 weeks (mostly around 15 - 24 weeks). The "pro choice" faction already won but then sabotaged themselves by embracing the extreme, or even outright celebrating abortion. Reasonable people eventually jumped off the crazy train. At this point, there is no productive conversation that can be had since there's too much crazy.
 
People are such freaking lemmings. On both sides. "OMG! I've got to make sure that every woman everywhere that wants to kill her baby can." vs "OMG! I've got to stop every woman everywhere that might want to have an abortion from having one!" How about, I dunno, an actual conversation on the issue? Let's see. The most extreme abortion laws allow abortions for the first 6 weeks. Maybe, just maybe, if you're having sex and you don't want to be pregnant, you can take a pregnancy test once a month and be able to have an abortion if you really want one even in Texas with two weeks to spare? And on the flip side, if you're pro life, maybe this time and energy your trying to spend forcing women who don't want to have abortions to stay in your state could be spent seeking out homeless families to house? I mean...since you care about kids. And maybe, just maybe, EVERYBODY could pressure the FDA to approve Vagasel already? That's the easily reversible, as good as vasectomy but cheaper and less painful long term birth control for men that is available in countries like India but not the United States.

The issue is that some folks believe that abortion is murder at any stage. Agree or disagree, but that doesn't leave much room for compromise.

I do see some extreme, absolutely bizarre arguments flying around though. Saw one that says 'if a woman can be forced to have a pregnancy then maybe men should undergo mandatory castration.' It's almost as if people don't realize that there are a good many options that aren't particularly extreme that can be taken PRIOR to getting pregnant, including what should be the simplest: not sleeping around with people you have no intention of starting a family with. I mean, women aren't just spontaneously getting pregnant while waiting in the dollar store checkout line ("Oh damn it, not again!!!"), but reading some of the nonsense out there it makes you wonder if these people missed the lesson on birds and bees.

Opposite extreme are the pro-life folks who think any form of contraception is a slight against the will of God. However I think those folks are relatively few in numbers and the fear-porn that the left is putting out that the SC will come for contraceptive medications next is overblown.

They wouldn't have to cross state lines if the people who are pro abortion just packed up and moved to a blue state.
To the point, yes. This. Get out of my state, please.
 
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We need a ruling that the unborn are people with a right to life so murder laws outlaw it everywhere.
 
Check it out. I know the guy. He bought the place in foreclosure for $45K. Re-did a lot of drywall. Added chainlink fence and a deck. Paint and Putty. Charging $170 a night. Advertizes it as being close to a dispensary (for those on a cannabis holiday).

I figure if I bought a couple of these places, and coordinate with the National Organization for Women - they could organize it so that multiple women (and or their families) could make use of the place. That'd keep the place booked, and money flowing, essentially forever.

I imagine there's probably grassroots efforts underway to plan routes from red states to blue states with AirBnB stopovers on the routes - like an internet-assisted underground railway.
Blood money.
 
More likely gun store owners in State A get sued by residents in State B because someone from State B crossed state lines, bought a gun in State A that's not legal in State B and shot people in State B.

The left already does that.
 
Abortions in legal states should only be for legal residents of said state. Legal residency should be necessary before abortions be performed. What is the difference between a husband going out of state on vacation and not returning with his wife that he pushed off a cliff, and a pregnant woman coming home without her baby? At that point in a babies life, the only person that can take care of that baby is the mother. After birth, anyone can take over.
 
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