Aaron Russo has died

[cjhowe]

I have no doubt that Aaron Russo loved America and believed in what he was fighting for. To that extent, I respect him and wish his family comfort in their time of loss.

To the extent that the movie, America: Freedom to Fascism, has introduced people to Ron Paul, I guess I can applaud that. However, misinformation is no longer needed to rally the remnant. Freedom is popular and there is a movement winning the hearts and minds of Americans that has no need for the misinformation or fear mongering that Russo's movie spreads. We can openly engage in political discourse to return the federal government to it's proper role of simply protecting our liberties and do not need to rely on civil disobedience to get this message heard.

Spreading lies will result in blowback against our cause. Why undermine what brings us together?

 

[michaelwise]

We All Do Not Surely Die.

I only knew of the man for less than a year, but when I saw his film, AFF, I felt like I knew him all my life. I feel like I lost a brother. America has suffered a great loss with his passing.

 

[agisthos]

Freedom to Fascism is a brilliant film but what is even more interesting is the interviews that Aaron did with Alex Jones.

Aaron talked about the fact he was good friends with Nick Rockefeller, and that Nick told him ;

a. there was going to be an 'event' and that with that 'event' we were going to go into Afghanistan to control and build an oil pipeline from the caspian sea and then go into Iraq to control the oil and energy resources there

b. He also told Aaron that people would be running around in caves looking for people who did not exist.

Nick Rockefeller told Aaron these things before the 9/11 attacks.

So either Aaron Russo is a liar or this is 100% proof that the CFR and other elite organizations had a hand in planning the 9/11 terrorist attacks. (watch Alex Jones movie Terrorstorm, a history of government sponsored terror)

Its a shame that Aaron passed away so soon, he was really starting to land some blows on the establishment.

 

[mavtek]

That's too bad........

This is a great loss.

 

[hells_unicorn]

I put together a little video on youtube to commemorate Russo's contribution to our cause, feel free to give me feedback on it. We truly lost a great patriot today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15jJAS9O_kQ

 

[ToxicFrog]

I burned my mom a copy of FTF. My parents are blind republican loyalists (they are sincere yet ignorant in their politics).

My mom and aunt watched it together, and told me it gave them powerful heebie-jeebies. I know this is just one instance of many where Aaron's film made someone think hard about what's going on.

We lost a good man, but his work will carry on.

 

[Lord Xar]

I have no doubt that Aaron Russo loved America and believed in what he was fighting for. To that extent, I respect him and wish his family comfort in their time of loss.

To the extent that the movie, America: Freedom to Fascism, has introduced people to Ron Paul, I guess I can applaud that. However, misinformation is no longer needed to rally the remnant. Freedom is popular and there is a movement winning the hearts and minds of Americans that has no need for the misinformation or fear mongering that Russo's movie spreads. We can openly engage in political discourse to return the federal government to it's proper role of simply protecting our liberties and do not need to rely on civil disobedience to get this message heard.

Spreading lies will result in blowback against our cause. Why undermine what brings us together?

* yawn *

Naysayers are just as detrimental to any movement as anything I've ever seen.

Pass this movie on.

 

[Shellshock1918]

Thats sad. May God open his gates to him.

 

[cjhowe]

* yawn *

Naysayers are just as detrimental to any movement as anything I've ever seen.

Pass this movie on.

I think you can take a few examples from the Ron Paul's campaign that naysayers are beneficial to principled movements. Look at the effect of Rudy being a naysayer to Ron Paul's foreign policy. Rudy helped RP's movement. Look at Saul Anuzis being a naysayer about the legitimacy of Ron Paul's inclusion in future debates. Look at Ed Failor being a naysayer about Ron Paul's legitimacy and excluding Ron Paul in Des Moines, IA. Look at Rick Beltram being a naysayer and "banning" Ron Paul in Spartanburg, SC.

In contrast if you look at unprincipled movements; ones in which lies are asserted as fact, they don't sustain quite as easily. For example, the 9/11 truther movement, the Iraq WMD movement, the unmasking the Illuminatti movement, and the taxpayers denier movement. When a movement is unprincipled and resorts to using lies they become derailed by naysayers quite easily.

 

[hells_unicorn]

I have no doubt that Aaron Russo loved America and believed in what he was fighting for. To that extent, I respect him and wish his family comfort in their time of loss.

To the extent that the movie, America: Freedom to Fascism, has introduced people to Ron Paul, I guess I can applaud that. However, misinformation is no longer needed to rally the remnant. Freedom is popular and there is a movement winning the hearts and minds of Americans that has no need for the misinformation or fear mongering that Russo's movie spreads. We can openly engage in political discourse to return the federal government to it's proper role of simply protecting our liberties and do not need to rely on civil disobedience to get this message heard.

Spreading lies will result in blowback against our cause. Why undermine what brings us together?

If you could kindly provide the actual inaccuracies present in that film, I might be compelled to see some point in this post.

 

[Craig_R]

may he rest in peace

 

[Lord Xar]

I think you can take a few examples from the Ron Paul's campaign that naysayers are beneficial to principled movements. Look at the effect of Rudy being a naysayer to Ron Paul's foreign policy. Rudy helped RP's movement. Look at Saul Anuzis being a naysayer about the legitimacy of Ron Paul's inclusion in future debates. Look at Ed Failor being a naysayer about Ron Paul's legitimacy and excluding Ron Paul in Des Moines, IA. Look at Rick Beltram being a naysayer and "banning" Ron Paul in Spartanburg, SC.

In contrast if you look at unprincipled movements; ones in which lies are asserted as fact, they don't sustain quite as easily. For example, the 9/11 truther movement, the Iraq WMD movement, the unmasking the Illuminatti movement, and the taxpayers denier movement. When a movement is unprincipled and resorts to using lies they become derailed by naysayers quite easily.

The thing with you cjhowe is that you come off as being insincere because you always just dance around issues and make remarks, cite alternative arguments - yet you never ever really just address anything at its face value. You deflect and throw smoke screens. You overthink things which tells me you ain't thinking enough. You overvalue your own intellect.

Just think for a second. You come on a thread giving appreciation to a man who has made a difference and you feign some sort of grief then proceed to do what you always do --- manipulate and smoke screen and change the intent of the message. You always and consistently do this. Its just an odd thing to do.

Why don't you get on some hillary/obama/neocon boards and do what you do best.

 

[cjhowe]

If you could kindly provide the actual inaccuracies present in that film, I might be compelled to see some point in this post.

Wikipedia entry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America:_Freedom_to_Fascism#Criticism

Tax protester FAQ - http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

Debunking Federal Reserve Conspiracy - http://famguardian.org/Subjects/MoneyBanking/FederalReserve/FRconspire/FRconspire.htm

The "Go to Full Article" links are quite complete on the third link.

 

[Electric Church]

Wikipedia entry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America:_Freedom_to_Fascism#Criticism

Tax protester FAQ - http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

Debunking Federal Reserve Conspiracy - http://famguardian.org/Subjects/MoneyBanking/FederalReserve/FRconspire/FRconspire.htm

The "Go to Full Article" links are quite complete on the third link.

These paid disinfo trolls don't even have the common courtesy to allow a thread to be solely dedicated to honor the recent passing of a man who millions believe to be a great warrior for liberty, a true patriot and a dedicated Ron Paul supporter. That just goes to show you the true nature of some of the creatures who have infested this forum under the guise of being Ron Paul supporters

 

[Lord Xar]

These paid disinfo trolls don't even have the common courtesy to allow a thread to be solely dedicated to honor the recent passing of a man who millions believe to be a great warrior for liberty, a true patriot and a dedicated Ron Paul supporter. That just goes to show you the true nature of some of the creatures who have infested this forum under the guise of being Ron Paul supporters

My thoughts exactly. He feigns a curious sorrow, and then has handy links to try and make Russo look bad. Makes one wonder what Cjhows true intentions are. He knew someone would bait him to validate his claim... cjhow is a tricky one, but i had him pegged weeks ago.. hey cj, keep worrying... we are growing stronger by the day.....

 

[Electric Church]

hey cj, keep worrying... we are growing stronger by the day.....

Indeed we are and they will loose. I am absolutely certain that I will one day meet Mr. Russo in person face to face. But until then we have to deal with these enemies of America and promote Aaron's message which is the same as Ron Paul's.

 

[cjhowe]

The thing with you cjhowe is that you come off as being insincere because you always just dance around issues and make remarks, cite alternative arguments - yet you never ever really just address anything at its face value. You deflect and throw smoke screens. You overthink things which tells me you ain't thinking enough. You overvalue your own intellect.

What have I not addressed on face value? Any disagreement I have had with you, or with others, has been based on principle. Principle is as direct as you can get. It's the bedrock, the foundation of our viewpoints. I'm sorry if you find my consistency to be deflections or somehow trying to disguise the issue at hand.

Just think for a second. You come on a thread giving appreciation to a man who has made a difference and you feign some sort of grief then proceed to do what you always do --- manipulate and smoke screen and change the intent of the message. You always and consistently do this. Its just an odd thing to do.

I didn't feign grief, I offered empathy. His family should be proud that he believed in what he was saying and that he put himself out there the way that he did. I believe that he was sincere in the case he presented in A:F2F. Even in his sincerity, however, he was factually incorrect and anyone who puts those ideas forward as the truth, is lying.

Why don't you get on some hillary/obama/neocon boards and do what you do best.

They seem to be putting forth a rather consolidated front, shallow, but consolidated. This is something that libertarian minded people aren't very good at. We suck at building coalitions because we all have our own personal agendas that are more important than creating the atmosphere where our agendas can thrive.

There's a coalition message about ending the federal income tax, this is the end game that we're all interested in. You would rather split your viewpoint from the mainstream by contending there is no law instead of simply beating the drum that the size and scope of government needs to return to constitutional levels and end the nanny state.

There's a coalition message about ending our country's reliance on the Federal Reserve by returning the government to the size and scope of constitutional levels so that borrowing isn't necessary and therefore neither is central banking, but you would rather spout that there is a conspiracy and an "us" versus "them" mentaility.

There's a coalition message about protecting individual liberty, but many on this board want to shout "but only for us".

There's a coalition message about getting the government out of our personal lives, but we're going to ignore the rule of law in the meantime.

These are the problems that libertarian movements face. We are more concerned about individual ideas than we are in creating the environment in which those ideas can even exist, much less thrive.

 

[Electric Church]

What have I not addressed on face value? .

why don't you go start a thread in hot topics and leave this one free of debate and full of praise for a man who has done a hell of alot more that you have and more that you ever will in your lifetime

 

[cjhowe]

why don't you go start a thread in hot topics and leave this one free of debate and full of praise for a man who has done a hell of alot more that you have and more that you ever will in your lifetime

Because this thread stopped being about praise for a man when people started posting about A:F2F.

 

[dseisner]

These paid disinfo trolls don't even have the common courtesy to allow a thread to be solely dedicated to honor the recent passing of a man who millions believe to be a great warrior for liberty, a true patriot and a dedicated Ron Paul supporter. That just goes to show you the true nature of some of the creatures who have infested this forum under the guise of being Ron Paul supporters

Yes, thank you. They won't leave but we need to stop listening to them.