A serious conversation on Gary Johnson

Brian Defferding said:
I would love to have him as President, I agree with 90% of what he stands for, but - and it pains me to admit this - I think his personality is very droll and sleep inducing. He needs to be exciting, bold and inspirational in his speeches, and he's about as exciting as a bad soap opera.

And you know its weird because he has the potential to have a great personality. The dude climbed mountains and did all this other cool shit.

I think you're both right that he could use some work on his "on the stump" delivery, but I also think it's very early for this to be a major concern. Those skills can be easily learned and improved -- what's tougher, I think, is teaching a hack to be good on the issues. Interestingly, when I showed a friend of mine a picture of Johnson the other day, his first comment was "he looks very presidential."

I also think that Gary has the big benefit of coming across as very genuine. Having seen him in one-on-one situations and in small groups at CPAC, he has the potential to do quite well when meeting with voters at pot luck dinners in Iowa and doughnut shops in New Hampshire.
 
His personality is what really kills him. His record as Governor was great. His positions on most issues make him a great liberty candidate on paper. But I just doubt his ability to inspire or motivate even our base, let alone the masses.
 
I really like Gary Johnson. But I think that he needs to run for US Senate in New Mexico and let Dr. Paul run for President.
 
Ron has so much name recognition, a movement building behind him, and a special place in our hearts. I just don't see any other liberty candidate holding a candle to him... and we need to be as successful as possible in 2012. I like Gary, but he doesn't motivate me to brave hell and high water for him like Ron does. And I feel that sentiment from others too.

It'd be great to have a bunch of liberty candidates in the debates challenging the neocons though! So I'd say go for it. See how it goes, and carefully consider how long to stay in based on the strategic situation.
 
There is exactly 0% chance that Gary Johnson will be president. He is fairly inarticulate, unknown, unconnected, and his abortion and immigration stances will not endear him to the conservative base.

Ron Paul is the man to go with. His views brings together a grand and disparate coalition of interests. And he is known.

Only if Ron Paul declines the race should people hop on the Johnson bandwagon - and even then, understand that it will be an educational campaign because he has no chance to win.

Ron Paul has the chance to win.
 
Well if he is 25% statist I don't see a problem, we have a government that is like 80% statist, so he moves us closer to liberty. That is better in my book. He seems ok, although he has said some things lately that lowered my opinion of him some.

Would he be better than Obama? Hell yes

Is he better than any GOP front runner(besides Paul) yes on that too.

So under these circumstances and seeing as we have an out of control lawless government then he is a great choice if you are trying to secure your freedom.
 
I agree with most of the other sentiments here. Gary needs to work on his speaking skills. And really, I don't understand why he wouldn't run for senate rather than running for president. We could rally our whole machine behind a senate run and everyone would be behind him. If he runs for president there is going to be a huge division among our people. Run for senate, Gary!
 
I agree with most of the other sentiments here. Gary needs to work on his speaking skills. And really, I don't understand why he wouldn't run for senate rather than running for president. We could rally our whole machine behind a senate run and everyone would be behind him. If he runs for president there is going to be a huge division among our people. Run for senate, Gary!
yes!
someone put up a Draft Gary for Senate site..
 
As a side note - I have your name written down on the note pad beside me and have been looking for your contact information for some time. I would guess your time is already spent equitably somewhere. However, if you are ever interested in getting involved in the Maryland Campaign for Liberty, send me a message. I need some leadership around your area.

-Robin

Feel free to contact me by PM, Robin.
 
Gary is young enough that he could serve a term or two in the Senate and still run for president. It'd probably set him up better for the big run, if he did it.
 
With that being said, he has neither the name recognition nor the credibility nor the motivational capabilities of Ron Paul.

I find it interesting that so many people on here have been commenting about Gary Johnson's lack of name recognition. When Ron Paul started out, he had virtually no name recognition, and yet, was successful in making a name for himself -- even if he didn't win. I don't dispute that lack of name recognition is a significant hurdle, but it's not insurmountable.

There are a number of things that make Gary's low name recognition less troublesome than it was for Ron in 2008. For one, he's perceived as being much more mainstream, which reduces the odds of him being marginalized. But the bigger thing is that there is already the "liberty infrastructure" that RP built. Gary Johnson would not be starting from scratch, and that's a huge leg up. We need only look to Rand or Peter Schiff as the perfect examples of this. Regardless of whether or not they win, candidates close to our political views are in a far better position than they were pre-2008, high name recognition or not.

I also think it's interesting that no one has touched on the issue of Ron's age. I'll admit this isn't a problem for me personally, but for most people it will be. And if you don't believe me, just ask your friends who aren't as politically active whether they would vote for a 76 year-old man who's running for president. Again, knowing what shape Ron is in, I have no personal qualms about it. But I think those of you who think Ron's electability is somehow massively greater than it was in 2008 should think about that a little more.

As for Johnson's credibility, I find that argument to be very unpersuasive. As I said in another comment, his record as governor is unparalleled when compared to anyone else in the race. And even compared to Ron Paul in 2008, it is superior. Whether or not his views on the issues are superior to RP is a different question, but his record as governor -- i.e. "mini president" in the eyes of the press/broader populace -- is something that most people will eat up.

Regarding motivational capabilities -- I'd say that remains to be seen. At this point, I'm inclined to agree with that assessment. But that said, I think it's important not to overstate RP's motivational capabilities as well. Ron earned a significant portion of the vote, but let's not forget that he also lost. He fired up a lot of us, but he was not able to catch on to the extent of others in the race (there are obviously many reasons for that; I'm just trying to put this all in perspective). My point is that we really don't know whether Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, or someone else will be best able to persuade and fire up the mainstream conservative base. And like it or not, if people really care about winning, that is what will need to be done -- not just turning on libertarians like us.
 
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If RP doesn't run in 2012, Johnson would be better than almost anyone else I can think of as a back up.

I do agree, however, that he isn't the most charismatic guy in the world, though this is based only on the speech he gave at the Rally for the Republic- I was expecting greatness, and got something less than average instead.

Although maybe if he works on his speeches he will improve. Ron Paul made huge improvements in his public speaking ability as the campaign went on.
 
I like Gary Johnson a lot, I just don't think he is Presidential material. I would say he is more fit for a senate or governor seat.

One thing that turns me off is his lack of charisma and IMO bad public speaking skills.

I also worry that his entrance into the race would hurt a DEAD SERIOUS Ron Paul presidential run. In the past few months those worries have almost disappeared but it is still a possibility.

I would support him for president but I don't think I would go all out. I really think we need this guy in the senate. He would have an excellent chance. He has virtually ZERO name recognition in the United States minus New Mexico and probably near 100 percent name recognition in NM.

He would never be able to compete against any of the top tier Republican candidates such as Palin or Romney. Maybe I'm wrong but I have seen nothing that tells me has much of chance or is even that great of a candidate(besides being libertarian-republican).
 
The point is we spent 2007/2008 and even 2009/2010 building Ron's name recognition. With someone new we'd have to start all over. Yes, the liberty movement has more organization now, but they are A) Less inspired by other candidates, B) A fraction of the force we could deploy already having name recognition.

I feel that Ron Paul ran to educate. He forced some ideas into the mainstream (ie. the economic crisis, the Fed, etc.) but his ads were terrible and his campaign wasn't prepared to properly use the support he got. With the movement we have now, I'd love to see him run TO WIN. His campaign strategy and commercials need improving, and possibly he could take a few pages from Rand's book on messaging.
 
I like GJ if he is not running against RP. He has a lot of good issues.
He has several issues he has to overcome in a republican primary.

Pro abortion,
Long term MJ user that sometimes acts like it effected his speaking ability.
Left his wife in a messy way that opponents will imply killed her. It will hurt him with the women voters.
 
He's got my vote.

I don't care about great oratory. I want substance.

Johnson's the opposite of Obama.
 
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