A serious conversation on Gary Johnson

He would never be able to compete against any of the top tier Republican candidates such as Palin or Romney. Maybe I'm wrong but I have seen nothing that tells me has much of chance or is even that great of a candidate(besides being libertarian-republican).

In a word, his record. Gary Johnson has something that none of the other candidates have, which is a legitimate record of cutting the size of government. He vetoed more bills than all other governors combined while he was in office, and actually succeeded in reducing the size of New Mexico's public workforce.

Contrast that with Romney/Pawlenty/Palin/Huckabee, who were all relatively liberal governors when it comes to fiscal issues. If Gary Johnson can succeed in painting himself as the only candidate who has real government-cutting credentials -- and I'll be the first to admit, that's still a big "if" at this point -- then he should have as good a chance as anyone in a tea party-influenced election.

All of the so-called "front-runners" have serious flaws, making 2012 a year calling out for a dark horse nominee like Clinton was for Democrats in 1992.
 
Regarding motivational capabilities -- I'd say that remains to be seen. At this point, I'm inclined to agree with that assessment. But that said, I think it's important not to overstate RP's motivational capabilities as well. Ron earned a significant portion of the vote, but let's not forget that he also lost. He fired up a lot of us, but he was not able to catch on to the extent of others in the race (there are obviously many reasons for that; I'm just trying to put this all in perspective). My point is that we really don't know whether Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, or someone else will be best able to persuade and fire up the mainstream conservative base. And like it or not, if people really care about winning, that is what will need to be done -- not just turning on libertarians like us.
I tried my best to get excited about Gary, but the several speeches and interviews I've seen have not inspired me at all. Ron Paul is almost a household name now. Why lose all the progress we've made there to start with someone 0.01% of people have even heard of?

If he can't inspire the only people who know him, he's not going to catch on.

With regard to the mainstream conservative base, it seems to me that Gary Johnson is screwing up his opportunities here by making his top issue the legalization of marijuana, while also supporting gay marriage, abortion, and open borders.
 
Regarding motivational capabilities -- I'd say that remains to be seen. At this point, I'm inclined to agree with that assessment. But that said, I think it's important not to overstate RP's motivational capabilities as well. Ron earned a significant portion of the vote, but let's not forget that he also lost. He fired up a lot of us, but he was not able to catch on to the extent of others in the race (there are obviously many reasons for that; I'm just trying to put this all in perspective). My point is that we really don't know whether Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, or someone else will be best able to persuade and fire up the mainstream conservative base. And like it or not, if people really care about winning, that is what will need to be done -- not just turning on libertarians like us.

That's just the thing though. Ron Paul was able to overcome his lack of charisma and speaking ability because he has that nearly 40 year record of absolutely uncompromising, principled, limited government votes. Gary has a great record by mainstream GOP standards, but it is nothing like Paul's and contains the typical mainstream hypocrisies and compromises. Ron was also aided by his character- polite to a fault, completely square in terms of his lifestyle, and a complete old school style gentleman. Gary is more like the typical baby boomer in terms of lifestyle and temperament, he left his wife for another woman, and most unfortunately, his ex-wife happened to die a little less than a year after the divorce which isn't going to play well.

Gary is pretty much just as bad if not worse than Ron in terms of political charisma and speaking ability (he also has a considerably lower IQ, btw), but unlike Paul, he doesn't have those other exceptional qualities to overcome his campaigning faults.
 
I generally like Gary. But he doesn't have any chance to win compared to Ron Paul.

Any polls put him in the double digits nationally? I don't think so.
 
Gary is more like the typical baby boomer in terms of lifestyle and temperament, he left his wife for another woman, and most unfortunately, his ex-wife happened to die a little less than a year after the divorce which isn't going to play well.

Having reviewed the comments on this thread ----and having known and worked with Gary Johnson since 1993 when we engaged on his first campaign for Governor of New Mexico ---and someone who talks with Gary on a daily basis----I believe I should respond to a couple of posts.

To start with Gary will not be running for the U.S. Senate in New Mexico. There is 0% chance of that happening, as he has no interest whatsoever in serving in that capacity. However, I am sure that whatever aspirations Gary may personally have he will undertake them with the same vigor and passion as he does with all of his actions in life. He is tireless, with an energy level for work that is astounding. There is no doubt that Gary will have worn down even the most ardent volunteers on a campaign long before Gary is ready to call it a night. Retail politics has met it's match when it comes to Gary Johnson.

As has been noted, Gary has started a 501c4 and has been traveling basically non-stop since January to over 24 different states.....talking about issues and listening and learning about what is important and what is right with America.

Learning and listening to the opinions of Americans....it is an important and an often forgotten concept in American politics. Criticism and providing suggestion on issues are always welcome and open dialogue and free speech are the basis of what America is all about.

But comments that are untrue ......well, that is a different issue. Clarification must be made on an un-truth that was posted earlier on this thread. After Gary had served as Governor of New Mexico his marriage with Dee fell on hard times (and may I note that I knew Dee very well). The difficulty had begun during his last term .....but they stayed together until he had finished his time in office.

Gary chose to separate and to initiate the divorce. It was not an easy decision....it was a very difficult and emotional experience. The separation did not involve another women as there was no other women in Gary's life. It involved a very difficult and personal situation. Something that I have no interest in discussing in scope --although I have no doubt it will probably be made public at some time by others. Gary felt that the separation and eventual divorce was a very private matter and he refused to answer any questions about the subject with the press. Although, speculation circled that there must be another women and that this was the reason for the separation......this was simply not the case.

After a long period of separation the divorce was finalized. By then Dee's health had deteriorated and she passed away from a heart ailment only a few months after the divorce.

The situation has been a very tragic one for the Johnson family. Many years have passed now since the divorce ---the two adult children and Gary have each moved on with their lives.

Gary maintains a very strong relationship with his children. He has also met a women that he has developed a deep attachment and love with....they have been together for almost two years. They are engaged and are planning towards a marriage soon.

Over the years I have worked with hundreds of political candidates and office holders. I can say soundly that Gary Johnson's integrity and resolve to a life of principle is solid. He is a man of commitment and follows the commitments that he makes.

When Gary left office in 2002 he had done his job----a very good one at that---and now was looking forward to a private and personal life. But like many of you---the current situation in this country was not something that can be ignored.

I believe you will find something with Gary that you might not have seen before.....not just someone that believes or talks about liberty based ideals but someone that has taken words and turned them into actions. Gary is someone that is willing to truly stand up for what he believes to be right......not just in his personal life but in his public undertakings. When he committed to not allow any taxes to be raised in New Mexico and to create a government that treated everyone equally no matter who they were.....that is exactly what he did.....even if it took 750 vetoes and thousands of line items to make it happen.

Now my opinion is a biased one....in the fact that I know Gary well. If you don't know of Gary...take a look and for heaven sake don't marginalize him. He stands up for the same principles that we each believe in. We all witnessed what marginalization of a candidate by the media did in 2008------are we now going to do it to one of our own? I should hope not.

……and if you have not heard Gary speak since earlier this year.......come to an event and listen again. He is not as rusty as he may have been 7 or 8 months ago. But let me say with caution---- that Gary is not a speaker of mere platitudes and "feel good" one liners. He speaks direct and talks about real solutions and he never backs away from dealing with the difficult problems in the fear of loosing the support of his audience.

Please let me know of your comments and if there are other questions that I can answer about Gary or what he is doing currently…..I am happy to do so.
 
Thanks for coming by and clearing some things up for us. I really like Gary and will definetly donate, and work for his campaign if Ron doesn't run. I would really like to see both of them up on stage debating the neo-cons though.

Paul/Johnson or Johnson/Paul 2012!


EDIT: I don't know what you're level of "knowing" Governor Johnson is but is he an ardent opponent of The Federal Reserve? I know he did talk briefly about it at the R4R but I was just curious as to how engaged he is in Austrian economics? Thanks
 
To start with Gary will not be running for the U.S. Senate in New Mexico. There is 0% chance of that happening, as he has no interest whatsoever in serving in that capacity.
Okay, fair enough. I think it would be great if Gary runs for president, so long as that doesn't prevent Ron from running. Let's get both of them up there.
 
Gary just spoke to us tonight in Charlotte, NC. I must say as a supporter "from afar" that I did not know how much fun it would be to hear him speak.

I felt as if he were a fellow businessman who just happened to get into a position where he could make a difference and did what he said he would do.

I was very impressed with him. He fielded tough questions and showed a great deal of poise.


If the rumors and what Carol has said are true, and Ron will run in 2012, I cannot think of a better VP than Gov Gary Johnson.

A friend's dem coworker said of the Gov, "Oh, he's one of the 'good' Republicans."

Need I say more?
 
Okay, fair enough. I think it would be great if Gary runs for president, so long as that doesn't prevent Ron from running. Let's get both of them up there.

Johnson will not run against RP, they ironed that out months ago.

I asked him tonight about running for VP. He said that it "would make sense for two like minded candidates to run on the same ticket."

I would expect that he will stump for RP with a passion.
 
Johnson will not run against RP, they ironed that out months ago.

I asked him tonight about running for VP. He said that it "would make sense for two like minded candidates to run on the same ticket."

I would expect that he will stump for RP with a passion.
Why can't he run to get in the debates and then drop out and endorse Ron before the primaries?
 
Why can't he run to get in the debates and then drop out and endorse Ron before the primaries?

I don't know if he'll do that, I suppose it is a possibility, that way if he's pulling better numbers he could take the top of the ticket.

the bottom line is that he won't run against Ron. Period.

Consolidate your base, win the primary.....
 
Having reviewed the comments on this thread ----and having known and worked with Gary Johnson since 1993 when we engaged on his first campaign for Governor of New Mexico ---and someone who talks with Gary on a daily basis----I believe I should respond to a couple of posts.

To start with Gary will not be running for the U.S. Senate in New Mexico. There is 0% chance of that happening, as he has no interest whatsoever in serving in that capacity. However, I am sure that whatever aspirations Gary may personally have he will undertake them with the same vigor and passion as he does with all of his actions in life. He is tireless, with an energy level for work that is astounding. There is no doubt that Gary will have worn down even the most ardent volunteers on a campaign long before Gary is ready to call it a night. Retail politics has met it's match when it comes to Gary Johnson.

As has been noted, Gary has started a 501c4 and has been traveling basically non-stop since January to over 24 different states.....talking about issues and listening and learning about what is important and what is right with America.

Learning and listening to the opinions of Americans....it is an important and an often forgotten concept in American politics. Criticism and providing suggestion on issues are always welcome and open dialogue and free speech are the basis of what America is all about.

But comments that are untrue ......well, that is a different issue. Clarification must be made on an un-truth that was posted earlier on this thread. After Gary had served as Governor of New Mexico his marriage with Dee fell on hard times (and may I note that I knew Dee very well). The difficulty had begun during his last term .....but they stayed together until he had finished his time in office.

Gary chose to separate and to initiate the divorce. It was not an easy decision....it was a very difficult and emotional experience. The separation did not involve another women as there was no other women in Gary's life. It involved a very difficult and personal situation. Something that I have no interest in discussing in scope --although I have no doubt it will probably be made public at some time by others. Gary felt that the separation and eventual divorce was a very private matter and he refused to answer any questions about the subject with the press. Although, speculation circled that there must be another women and that this was the reason for the separation......this was simply not the case.

After a long period of separation the divorce was finalized. By then Dee's health had deteriorated and she passed away from a heart ailment only a few months after the divorce.


The situation has been a very tragic one for the Johnson family. Many years have passed now since the divorce ---the two adult children and Gary have each moved on with their lives.

Gary maintains a very strong relationship with his children. He has also met a women that he has developed a deep attachment and love with....they have been together for almost two years. They are engaged and are planning towards a marriage soon.

Over the years I have worked with hundreds of political candidates and office holders. I can say soundly that Gary Johnson's integrity and resolve to a life of principle is solid. He is a man of commitment and follows the commitments that he makes.

When Gary left office in 2002 he had done his job----a very good one at that---and now was looking forward to a private and personal life. But like many of you---the current situation in this country was not something that can be ignored.

I believe you will find something with Gary that you might not have seen before.....not just someone that believes or talks about liberty based ideals but someone that has taken words and turned them into actions. Gary is someone that is willing to truly stand up for what he believes to be right......not just in his personal life but in his public undertakings. When he committed to not allow any taxes to be raised in New Mexico and to create a government that treated everyone equally no matter who they were.....that is exactly what he did.....even if it took 750 vetoes and thousands of line items to make it happen.

Now my opinion is a biased one....in the fact that I know Gary well. If you don't know of Gary...take a look and for heaven sake don't marginalize him. He stands up for the same principles that we each believe in. We all witnessed what marginalization of a candidate by the media did in 2008------are we now going to do it to one of our own? I should hope not.

……and if you have not heard Gary speak since earlier this year.......come to an event and listen again. He is not as rusty as he may have been 7 or 8 months ago. But let me say with caution---- that Gary is not a speaker of mere platitudes and "feel good" one liners. He speaks direct and talks about real solutions and he never backs away from dealing with the difficult problems in the fear of loosing the support of his audience.

Please let me know of your comments and if there are other questions that I can answer about Gary or what he is doing currently…..I am happy to do so.

What you say about GJ's divorce and what was written in the ABQjournel seem to contradict each other. If you can shed more light on this and solidly refute what was printed it would take a big negative off GJ for me.

Ex-Gov. Johnson, Wife Are Divorcing
By Leslie Linthicum
Copyright © 2005 Albuquerque Journal; Journal Staff Writer
Former Gov. Gary Johnson and his wife, Dee, were New Mexico's first
couple for eight years.
Now, they're calling it quits.
Johnson said this week the couple had been separated since May and
were taking legal steps toward divorce.
"I love her. I always will," Johnson said in a phone interview from
Hawaii, where he was giving a speech. "We have just grown apart for
what I consider a long time. I've been going from one adventure to
another and I've been doing it by myself."
Johnson, 52, said Tuesday that he initiated the separation and that he
has been dating Deborah Werenko of Santa Fe, a family practice
physician and divorced mother of three who is also a competitive
athlete. Werenko on Wednesday confirmed the two are dating.
Dee Johnson, 52, said Gary's actions are responsible for the split.
"My heart is broken with what Gary's done to me but I'm a survivor
and I'll make it through this."

Dee Johnson is living at the couple's Albuquerque house; Gary
Johnson is living at their Taos Ski Valley house.
The Johnsons, who met while skiing at Red River when they were
teenagers, have been married for 28 years and have two grown children.
They built a construction firm together, Big J, and were self-made
millionaires by the time Johnson decided to run for governor in 1994.
Johnson, a maverick Republican, took office in 1995 and served for
eight years. His tenure was marked by furious fights with state
lawmakers. He attracted the nickname "Governor No" for his record
number of vetoes and "Puff Daddy" for his quest to decriminalize
marijuana use.
Since leaving office in 2002, Johnson has pursued athletics, training
for triathlons, climbing Mount Everest and skiing nearly every day in
the winter from his home in Taos Ski Valley.
Dee Johnson has been involved in charity events and has pursued art,
learning welding and sculpting from renowned artist OK Harris.
Johnson and Werenko attended the gala grand opening of the
Anderson-Abruzzo International Balloon Museum together in
Albuquerque on Saturday— the former governor's hair done up in a
French braid— and were in Johnson's pickup truck the following
afternoon when it was involved in an accident on Interstate 25 north of
Albuquerque.
They competed together in the "Quest for Fire" adventure race in
Angel Fire in May and both represented New Mexico in the World
Ironman Triathlon in Hawaii in 2002.
 
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Just so that it is said - the way Ron Paul connected with people in 2008 is grossly underestimated. I guarantee our resources will be going to Ron if he runs.

Our goal is liberty and we are in it for the long run. If Gary wants to play a part in this game, it is probably a good idea for him to put in some work for us. If he doesn't want to run for the house or senate, he has to find some way to put in the time. I realize that Ron is only going to be in the game for so many more cycles. If someone wants to take the reigns when he steps out, they better make it clear that they are willing to put in the leg work right now.
 
From following the GJ campaign it appears that he's doing all the things needed to win. This is not an education campaign. His record should be enough for those who question where he stands on the issues. But he appears to be running more toward the center (where all of the votes are).

He will pull in many voters who support smaller government but believe that Ron Paul is too extreme for them. He'll pull in a lot of Republicans that don't like Ron Paul for whatever other reasons. He knows how to run a campaign and win. He did it in New Mexico against a Republican incumbant with very little name recognition outside of being a business owner.

I don't agree with a lot of things he's campaigned on, but I have looked at his record and delved into actual legislation and stances while in office and he is the right guy for president.

I believe that he and Ron Paul will run and by around October or November if either one has a huge lead, the other will drop out and endorse the other.

As much as we all want Ron Paul to win, politics is crazy and you never know what the voters will find as the major issue of the day. Maybe legalizing marijuana will become the new craze for the 2012 elections and Johnson will dominate. Or the Federal Reserve will be huge and Ron Paul will surge. Either way, the more candidates the better. Until the primary (even the Iowa Caucus is ok to have multiple liberty candidates the way things work).
 
I was at the Gov. Johnson event last night in Charlotte as well. I was very impressed with his speech and the fact he seemed like a regular guy.

He sounded like an establishment Republican for the most part, and could actually see him connecting with regular Republicans. I think he's a better speaker than Ron Paul.

I do have some disagreements with the Governor on illegal immigration, but he's head and shoulders above anyone else in the race except for Ron Paul.
 
Maybe I have been too critical about GJ. I just really want to see Ron Paul in the presidency and didn't want anything or anyone to get in the way of that...

If Gary Johnson had a better chance of winning I would support GJ.
 
Maybe I have been too critical about GJ. I just really want to see Ron Paul in the presidency and didn't want anything or anyone to get in the way of that...

If Gary Johnson had a better chance of winning I would support GJ.

i know how you feel. At the same time i think it' time that we influence the debate and run more than 1 candidate at a time
 
Why can't he run to get in the debates and then drop out and endorse Ron before the primaries?

He should do that.

It will not only show support for Ron but also that there are more GOP candidates that have similar views to RP. Surely Sean Hannity can't take on both of them especially as their positions turn out to be more sensible as days go on.

It could turn out to be a winning strategy.
 
Since he has a lot of name recognition in New Mexico, I think he should run for Senate in 2012
 
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