A Revolution Betrayed?

I disagree. There is nothing to suggest that this was intentional. The people involved had no experience running a national presidential campaign and they made some bad strategic choices (IMO - so did the grassroots). They also were unprepared to take advantage of the explosion of support and funding that occurred.

Even if they had done everything right, winning the nomination still would have been an uphill battle.

Washington lost a lot of battles, but the tide ultimately turned and he won the war. The fight for the nomination was a series of battles, but the war is about more than winning the nomination and presidency this year. It's about restoring liberty and that war will continue long past November.

Bold, because the funereal tone on this thread is pissing me off.

We are now 8 and 1/2 months until elections. MacCain went from McWho to TheCain in one month - with some help, but...

There is absolutely no telling what events will come the way of this effort between now and then. I can't believe the impatience, although I should know better; instant gratification is the steady Hollywood/Soaps diet, and it shows.

The campaign is not to blame, tho that boat has been infiltrated from the get go. I tried to explain at least six months ago, that if "we" wait for them, we are toast. It has absolutely nothing to do with Ron Paul's eventual managerial competence as President, as some disrupters were quick to exploit; the two have completely different dynamics. In every message from Ron (except the last) there was at least one line where Ron virtually pleaded with his supporters to take charge. There is nothing else he can do, because the system is set up in a way that handlers have an inordinate amount of control. Even as President, he will depend on us to watch his back. I'm not going to rehash the details; there are a number of (ignored) old posts on that subject.

Point is, Ron Paul is a man - better than most - but he is not walking on water. He is a doctor, legislator and guide; again, more multi-talented than most. He is neither a politician (in the ugly sense) nor a general - he is 'simply' providing a rare and clear focus for those of us who have been battling the beast for decades. The generals are/were among us, but they tend to get shouted down or driven away by a chorus of nannies, party hacks and hangers-on, who are played like fiddles by a small army of agents for the establishment.

All the talk about Republican Party this and 3rd Party that is a joke. A joke for two reasons: one, it is precisely party politics and supposedly conventional electioneering that makes a run outside the established norms virtually impossible; it was never in the cards in my view. Two, how can liberty loving, independent individuals even contemplate to subscribe to group-think, as is required of such a construct.

The only way to overcome the strangle-hold of the establishment on the process, is to overwhelm it. The only way to overwhelm it is through revolution - preferrably a peaceful one. That requires a completely independent effort from all formal constructs; converging interests of millions - millions of individual flavors of liberty.

Bottom line: this is only over if WE quit - Ron will certainly be among the last to do so. Ruling out a 3rd party gets allot of 3rd party hacks turning on the man (yep, 3rd parties have hacks as well). They had high hopes to 'validate' their particular brand of collective on the back of this movement and its focus. And the best option - a truly independent Independent Run - is only possible once the Republican Party 'resigns' from Ron, not the other way around. Walking away now from something started in good faith would be "bad manners" (in the true sense of the term), seen as whining, and strategically stupid, since the establishment is more than ready for such an announcement (Bloomberg et al.). It's why they have been promoting the trap for months.

So, we have a little lull. Since lulls are inevitable, there is nothing wrong with having one now. Lulls help to clear the brain, to lick the wounds and to regain focus. There is every reason to get up again and keep on plugging away. It's not by coincidence that 68% of citizens responded to a recent poll on how best to 'fix' the economy with "Bring the troops home." Now, where the hell did these 'sheep' get such an idea from? 68 percent, not 3 to 9.99 - 68%. How little will it take to tip the scale? 8 and 1/2 months; an eternity to reach critical mass...
 
I doubt "reforming" the Republican party is possible. Instead of treating us like an equal part of the party, they ignored us, disparaged us, called us crazies, nuts, and I'm too insulted to ever give this party any support. If you're an old-school Republican and are not insulted by how Ron Paul or his supporters were treated, that's your own fault. I've come to believe that the Republican party is determined to commit suicide. In fact, it's BEGGING to be put to death. So let it die.
 
Bold, because the funereal tone on this thread is pissing me off.

We are now 8 and 1/2 months until elections. MacCain went from McWho to TheCain in one month - with some help, but...

There is absolutely no telling what events will come the way of this effort between now and then. I can't believe the impatience, although I should know better; instant gratification is the steady Hollywood/Soaps diet, and it shows.

The campaign is not to blame, tho that boat has been infiltrated from the get go. I tried to explain at least six months ago, that if "we" wait for them, we are toast. It has absolutely nothing to do with Ron Paul's eventual managerial competence as President, as some disrupters were quick to exploit; the two have completely different dynamics. In every message from Ron (except the last) there was at least one line where Ron virtually pleaded with his supporters to take charge. There is nothing else he can do, because the system is set up in a way that handlers have an inordinate amount of control. Even as President, he will depend on us to watch his back. I'm not going to rehash the details; there are a number of (ignored) old posts on that subject.

Point is, Ron Paul is a man - better than most - but he is not walking on water. He is a doctor, legislator and guide; again, more multi-talented than most. He is neither a politician (in the ugly sense) nor a general - he is 'simply' providing a rare and clear focus for those of us who have been battling the beast for decades. The generals are/were among us, but they tend to get shouted down or driven away by a chorus of nannies, party hacks and hangers-on, who are played like fiddles by a small army of agents for the establishment.

All the talk about Republican Party this and 3rd Party that is a joke. A joke for two reasons: one, it is precisely party politics and supposedly conventional electioneering that makes a run outside the established norms virtually impossible; it was never in the cards in my view. Two, how can liberty loving, independent individuals even contemplate to subscribe to group-think, as is required of such a construct.

The only way to overcome the strangle-hold of the establishment on the process, is to overwhelm it. The only way to overwhelm it is through revolution - preferrably a peaceful one. That requires a completely independent effort from all formal constructs; converging interests of millions - millions of individual flavors of liberty.

Bottom line: this is only over if WE quit - Ron will certainly be among the last to do so. Ruling out a 3rd party gets allot of 3rd party hacks turning on the man (yep, 3rd parties have hacks as well). They had high hopes to 'validate' their particular brand of collective on the back of this movement and its focus. And the best option - a truly independent Independent Run - is only possible once the Republican Party 'resigns' from Ron, not the other way around. Walking away now from something started in good faith would be "bad manners" (in the true sense of the term), seen as whining, and strategically stupid, since the establishment is more than ready for such an announcement (Bloomberg et al.). It's why they have been promoting the trap for months.

So, we have a little lull. Since lulls are inevitable, there is nothing wrong with having one now. Lulls help to clear the brain, to lick the wounds and to regain focus. There is every reason to get up again and keep on plugging away. It's not by coincidence that 68% of citizens responded to a recent poll on how best to 'fix' the economy with "Bring the troops home." Now, where the hell did these 'sheep' get such an idea from? 68 percent, not 3 to 9.99 - 68%. How little will it take to tip the scale? 8 and 1/2 months; an eternity to reach critical mass...


Absolutely brilliant analysis. Good humint analysis work Proemio. We have the best intel desk in the politcal business.

Best of Regards
Randy
 
That's an interesting perspective...

The people who hijacked Ron Paul are the ones who said he betrayed us by staying republican. Ron Paul never ever ever ever said he wanted anything but. You just couldn't hear him anymore than the media could.

Non-republicrats hijacked Ron Pauls campaign. Only the true supporters heard him?

"I don't think I have ever heard that before and I have heard some pretty absurd explanations for--- our present situation." -Paraphrase of Rudy- he had such a way with words:cool:
 
F U Raimondo.

You, the self appointed commentator of the revolutionary movement.

You couldn't shine Dr. Paul's shoes.

You, Mr. Raimondo have done ZERO for the anti war movement .

The anti war movement in this country is fully marginalized, fully discredited and so completely infiltrated by agents for the status quo they can't even agree on what day it is.

A five page synopsis on Dr. Paul?

You have it all figured out, Mr. Raimondo?

I have two draft aged children and friends with children who are IN WARS, Justin.

What have you done from your position as a "major commentator" for the anti war anti establishment movement in the US? I say nothing, but stir the pot.

Dr. Paul has done more in 11 months than anyone since Andrew GD Jackson and you have the nut to call him out?

On what?

10 terms in congress getting absolutely pissed on 24 hours a day fighting for your freedom so you can post your writing at your so called anti war sites?

You can't event stand in the same room as Dr. Paul let alone have your writing posted on Dr. Paul's site.

I disagree with this Raimondo person. I have been in the anti war movement since 196 f%$ing 8.

This is not a presidential campaign. This is all there is. If you need to win a presidential campaign then you have not been paying attention.

I don't need to apologize for Dr. Paul.

He did not want to run.

He did it to help all of us.

He did it to help those kids getting killed every damn day in he middle east.

He did it because because he is a decent man who has the best interest of all at heart.

He didn't do it to make some "follower" happy about being with the winner of some fixed screw job election, he did it to help you. You pay him back this way?

Knock yourself out.

Just think what you are going to tell your children when they ask you about this 20 years from now?

I come here and get told what to do by Justin Raimondo?

No thanks.

2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th... totally agree.
 
I doubt "reforming" the Republican party is possible. Instead of treating us like an equal part of the party, they ignored us, disparaged us, called us crazies, nuts, and I'm too insulted to ever give this party any support. If you're an old-school Republican and are not insulted by how Ron Paul or his supporters were treated, that's your own fault. I've come to believe that the Republican party is determined to commit suicide. In fact, it's BEGGING to be put to death. So let it die.

Absolutely. We've realized from Iowa onward that the GOP rank and file is far more war mongering and neo-conservative than we realized. There are even a good many who realized Ron Paul was being treated unfairly by the neo-con establishment in the GOP and media. And did they recoil in horror? No! They laughed, clapped their hands, and screamed to omit Dr. Paul from debates all together or strip him off the ballot.

The GOP is not reformable with these kind of entrenched goons. The only way it will ever work is if there should come a day when liberty-minded people are about 2/3 of the party, which I severely doubt will ever dawn. Personally, I'll be happy to work for any Ron Paul Republicans who appear in my area, but no way in hell will I ever get involved with any level of the GOP apparatus. Especially this year, when they'll be going into overdrive by the summer, shilling people into volunteering for McInsane and lower level warmongers (for those of us unfortunate enough not to have Ron Paul Republicans in our area).
 
Absolutely. We've realized from Iowa onward that the GOP rank and file is far more war mongering and neo-conservative than we realized. There are even a good many who realized Ron Paul was being treated unfairly by the neo-con establishment in the GOP and media. And did they recoil in horror? No! They laughed, clapped their hands, and screamed to omit Dr. Paul from debates all together or strip him off the ballot.

The GOP is not reformable with these kind of entrenched goons. The only way it will ever work is if there should come a day when liberty-minded people are about 2/3 of the party, which I severely doubt will ever dawn. Personally, I'll be happy to work for any Ron Paul Republicans who appear in my area, but no way in hell will I ever get involved with any level of the GOP apparatus. Especially this year, when they'll be going into overdrive by the summer, shilling people into volunteering for McInsane and lower level warmongers (for those of us unfortunate enough not to have Ron Paul Republicans in our area).

it's our job to see that this happens!!!!! This is our job.
 
The only betrayal going on here is from Ron Paul "supporters" who've ditched the grassroots effort when they realized it wasn't going to be a cakewalk.

Cheers to the true supporters! This is not our campaign, it is Ron Paul's campaign for the presidency. Are you in or out?
 
3rd Party was never realistic.

Ron Paul has set the stage as Barry Goldwater did.

Look at Paulcongress.com

Besides, if Paul dropped the (R), he couldn't keep his seat in Congress and the media would relish as the only man who could create actual change in Washington would be marginalized like never before.



There is a good reason they (MSM) asked him every time whether or not he was going to run 3rd party.


They wanted him to slip up just once to destroy his campaign.
 
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