A question for those who think Obama team helped create ISIS Jihadi group

[jllundqu]

The proponents of this view have no proof.

They take the fact that western powers tried to sway the revolution by arming groups like FSA and providing some support for them.

Then they slyly try to connects that with a totally separate group of people (ISI: Islamic State in Iraq) which was the Jam'aat (organization) under the leadership of Aymen al Zawahiri, who disobeyed his orders and took swaths of Syria over (and ended up clashing with other rebels). They were already well armed from the Iraq war.

I still challenge anyone to produce one credible source to say the US funded, trained, or armed ISIS, of Jahbat Nusra or any other Salafist group.

Anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe-size knows that Benghazi was a covert gun-running operation to get weapons from Libya to Syrian rebels.

Weapons from Benghazi to Syria

Also in October we reported the connection between Ambassador Stevens, who died in the attack, and a reported September shipment of SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles (i.e. MANPADS) and rocket-propelled grenades from Benghazi to Syria through southern Turkey.

That 400-ton shipment — "the largest consignment of weapons" yet for Syrian rebels — was organized by Abdelhakim Belhadj, who was the newly-appointed head of the Tripoli Military Council.

In March 2011 Stevens, the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan rebels, worked directly with Belhadj while he headed the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group.

Stevens' last meeting on Sept. 11 was with Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and a source told Fox News that Stevens was in Benghazi "to negotiate a weapons transfer in an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists."

Syrian rebels subsequently began shooting down Syrian helicopters and fighter jets with SA-7s akin to those in Qaddafi's looted stock. (The interim Libyan government also sent money and fighters to Syria.)

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-secret-cia-mission-in-benghazi-2013-8

The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation, according to officials briefed on the intelligence. Of the more than 30 American officials evacuated from Benghazi following the deadly assault, only seven worked for the State Department. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, these officials said.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204712904578092853621061838

And Rand Paul also chimed in, in case you've been living in a cave:

In May Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kent.) told CNN: “I’ve actually always suspected that, although I have no evidence, that maybe we were facilitating arms leaving Libya going through Turkey into Syria. ... Were they trying to obscure that there was an arms operation going on at the CIA annex? I’m not sure exactly what was going on, but I think questions ought to be asked and answered."

 

[Carlybee]

More likely the MIC in conjunction with the CIA. Not sure it matters who the puppet in chief is. It's like al Queda redux on steroids. Same crap, different administration.

 

[jllundqu]

There is no questions that the US government armed and trained the syrian rebels, whatever label they happen to be operating under (ISIS, FSA, ISIL, AQI, etc).

 

[Carlybee]

There is no questions that the US government armed and trained the syrian rebels, whatever label they happen to be operating under (ISIS, FSA, ISIL, AQI, etc).

The Borg

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Netherlands suspends Cyber Security official who said Zionists created ISIS

 

[extortion17]

I'll be fair and vote "not sure" . . . officially . . .
but some evidence does suggest a "yes" though - imho

 

[jmdrake]

Yes,, But it has nothing to do with Obama. he is irrelevant.

It would be exactly the same if an "R" was in office,,(with the slight chance of it being worse).

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

This is what we can absolutely prove. ISIS got funding either directly or indirectly from America. We funded the opposition in Libya and Syria. Both opposition groups were coalitions that openly worked with terrorists who had bragged about killing U.S. soldiers in Iraq. Only a complete idiot would think that these opposition groups where not sharing weapons and other materials with each other. You're facing down a tank and you have someone with you that's blown up a tank and has the video to prove it and you have one anti tank missile that you've never fired before do you at that time worry about your buddy's human rights record?

So proving team Obama helped create ISIS is easy. Proving that they did it on purpose to create a reason to go back into Iraq and to have an excuse to invade Syria is more difficult. I'm not saying that's not true. Obama, despite his "peace prize", is as neocon (or "neolib") as they come. We only got out of Iraq because the date Bush negotiated for us to withdraw ran out which gave Obama a convenient way to kind of / sort of "keep" one promise to his followers that he never actually made. But he counterbalanced that with all out war against Libya and a proxy war against Syria. And then there's the whole Bengazi, weapons funneling thing. Oh what a tangled web has been woven.

 

[jmdrake]

The proponents of this view have no proof.

They take the fact that western powers tried to sway the revolution by arming groups like FSA and providing some support for them.

Then they slyly try to connects that with a totally separate group of people (ISI: Islamic State in Iraq) which was the Jam'aat (organization) under the leadership of Aymen al Zawahiri, who disobeyed his orders and took swaths of Syria over (and ended up clashing with other rebels). They were already well armed from the Iraq war.

I still challenge anyone to produce one credible source to say the US funded, trained, or armed ISIS, of Jahbat Nusra or any other Salafist group.

Try to connect? What BS! The leaders of the FSA up until recently openly bragged about working with Al Nusra and ISIS and recently is as late as April 2014. The whole time we were arming the rebels we knew the rebels were a coalition force and that their best fighters got their experience killing Americans in Iraq. But be honest. You don't believe the "propaganda" about ISIS either. You buy that they kill journalists for being journalists but don't believe they are engaged in ethnic cleansing or killing children or raping women. Oh no. These ISIS jihadists are just "misunderstood".

 

[AngryCanadian]

This thread is a bang on as the ISIS where the controls the Syrian areas in the North is where the nonexistent FSA are also occupying and creating Sharia law courts.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

This thread is a bang on as the ISIS where the controls the Syrian areas in the North is where the nonexistent FSA are also occupying and creating Sharia law courts.

To be devil's advocate, it is theoratically possible that SWC's puppet masters were supporting just jihadis/foreign fighters and not ISIS mujahideens.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

This is bit shocking.

[h=1]Naomi Wolf is condemned for suggesting ISIS hostages are ACTORS and be-headings aren't real[/h]

 

[CPUd]

 

[enhanced_deficit]

This video means what?

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Amnesty UK official compares IDF to ISIS

Published time: November 07, 2014 15:32
A senior human rights group official has likened the Israel Defense Force (IDF) to the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS, ISIL). Kristyan Benedict, Amnesty International’s UK campaigns manager, tweeted the hashtag #JSIL, condemning summer’s Gaza assault.
The tweet was in response to the Israeli Embassy’s reaction to Amnesty International’s report, published on 6th November, which accused the IDF of war crimes during the Israel/Gaza conflict in July and August.