A Muslim Ban Is Logical, Moral, And Even Libertarian

[Zippyjuan]

I never thought so but I guess banning the Liberty of others to grant mine is something I can learn to live with . If my state banned Illinois from entry or charged a toll and required they return to the craphole they came from I could live with it .

Real freedoms should apply to everybody. If you agree somebody should have their freedoms restricted you agree that you can/should have some of your freedoms taken too.

 

[sparebulb]

Real freedoms should apply to everybody. If you agree somebody should have their freedoms restricted you agree that you can/should have some of your freedoms taken too.

This is a preachy rationalization formed in the sound of a fart.

It smells bad too, considering the source.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Real freedoms should apply to everybody. If you agree somebody should have their freedoms restricted you agree that you can/should have some of your freedoms taken too.

Nobody's freedoms are being restricted, they don't have a right to come here any more than I have right to enter their territory, it is a privilege that can be extended or retracted.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Violent Jihad is not an ideology, as our Moderate Muslim friends keep calling it. Jihad is a pillar of a faith. That faith is Islam.

That must explain why 0.0001% of Muslims commit terrorist acts.

Christianity has just commemorated 500 years since its Reformation. Islam has yet to undergo a reformation; it’s still radical.

The Protestant Reformation unleashed huge numbers of violent lunatics, including the ancestors of all modern communists.

Religion is The Risk Factor, not chaotic countries-of-origin

 

[Thor]

Real freedoms should apply to everybody. If you agree somebody should have their freedoms restricted you agree that you can/should have some of your freedoms taken too.

So then the vehicle in which we allow freedoms (rights for everyone, no matter), is the same vehicle that destroys freedom.

C'est la vie... It is as it should be. Stop fighting against the state, it is inevitable.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That must explain why 0.0001% of Muslims commit terrorist acts.



The Protestant Reformation unleashed huge numbers of violent lunatics, including the ancestors of all modern communists.

Terrorism is not the primary risk factor, their statist/tribal culture is.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Terrorism is not the primary risk factor, their statist/tribal culture is.

Therefore, we must embrace our own statist/tribal culture..

 

[Swordsmyth]

Therefore, we must embrace our own statist/tribal culture..

No, how we run things at home and who we let in are two different things, just like how much I trust my family and how I deal with them are different from how I deal with outsiders or how I might choose who to marry or adopt.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

No, how we run things at home and who we let in are two different things, just like how much I trust my family and how I deal with them are different from how I deal with outsiders or how I might choose who to marry or adopt.

According to whom?

..Why do you think Donald Trump is the current President?

Is it because voters made a rational appraisal of immigration policy, and favor a statist one, but are otherwise liberals?

 

[Swordsmyth]

According to whom?

..Why do you think Donald Trump is the current President?

Is it because voters made a rational appraisal of immigration policy, and favor a statist one, but are otherwise liberals?

What the public currently believes is not the point, and they are more classically liberal than the immigrants that are being brought in anyway.

It is possible and proper to have a liberty oriented culture and control immigration to keep from losing it, that is what we need to convert the voting public to believe in.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

What the public currently believes is not the point

It's what determines the outcome of elections.

...whether there ought to be elections is another matter.

and they are more classically liberal than the immigrants that are being brought in anyway

They're not.

It is possible and proper to have a liberty oriented culture and control immigration to keep from losing it, that is what we need to convert the voting public to believe in.

It's possible, via sufficient propaganda, to convert the public to vegetarian Zoroastrianism..

My point is that the practical - real, not hypothetical - effect of all the anti-immigrant talk is nothing but more statism across the board.

Who needs to abolish the Fed, cut spending, liberalize the economy, etc; it's the foreigners fault, don't you know?

...and DHS needs more funding too.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's possible, via sufficient propaganda, to convert the public to vegetarian Zoroastrianism..

My point is that the practical - real, not hypothetical - effect of all the anti-immigrant talk is nothing but more statism across the board.

Who needs to abolish the Fed, cut spending, liberalize the economy, etc; it's the foreigners fault, don't you know?

...and DHS needs more funding too.

And the practical - real, not hypothetical - effect of bringing in hordes of statist/tribal/communist immigrants is much more statism across the board and a guarantee that liberty will be lost for generations if not forever, at least many Americans believe in freedom in the abstract and thus can be educated about what needs to be done far easier.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

And the practical - real, not hypothetical - effect of bringing in hordes of statist/tribal/communist immigrants is much more statism across the board and a guarantee that liberty will be lost for generations if not forever, at least many Americans believe in freedom in the abstract and thus can be educated about what needs to be done far easier.

No. 99% of Americans know *nothing* and act on emotion from their "education" or the media.

They're no better, nor worse, than the most illiterate third worlder.

We are where we are because of the voting of "real" Americans.

And the only reason we're better off than many (certainly not all) foreign states is that we don't get bombed; we do the bombing.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No. 99% of Americans know *nothing* and act on emotion from their "education" or the media.

They're no better, nor worse, than the most illiterate third worlder.

We are where we are because of the voting of "real" Americans.

And the only reason we're better off than many (certainly not all) foreign states is that we don't get bombed; we do the bombing.

If that were true we would be all out communist by now.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

If that were true we would be all out communist by now.

Wait a while.

 

[TheCount]

If that were true we would be all out communist by now.

Communism is not the only type of statism.

Infighting among the different types of American statists has meant that their progress in eliminating liberty has been spread over a wide variety of topics. Still, they've made consistent progress with the help of folks like you.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Communism is not the only type of statism.

Infighting among the different types of American statists has meant that their progress in eliminating liberty has been spread over a wide variety of topics. Still, they've made consistent progress with the help of folks like you.

LOL

 

[oyarde]

This thread should have included a poll .

 

[Identity]

Who needs to abolish the Fed, cut spending, liberalize the economy, etc; it's the foreigners fault, don't you know?

Yes, that's right. I can picture our Libertopia right now- hoards of Latin American and Saudis marching down the suburbs of the West, "Hey hey! Ho ho! The minimum wage has got to go! 19th century economics are the way to go! Ho ho! Hey hey!" Different men of religion, race, culture walking hand-in-hand singing kumbaya chanting, "Corporations shall overcome! Corporations shall overcome! Wage slavery for all!"

PS: No serious institution really cares about abolishing the Federal Reserve, we're thankful at this point to have such an institution- without it you would see a depression worse than that of the 30's. At best you have the Mises Institute that advocates for its abolishment but the opinion is rather fringe in the field of economics. Based upon the other things your types have to say about such matters it makes me much more inclined to side with the mainstream than Alex Jones-esque weirdos.

 

[Identity]

Real freedoms should apply to everybody. If you agree somebody should have their freedoms restricted you agree that you can/should have some of your freedoms taken too.

Real freedom is living a paleolithic hunter-gatherer lifestyle, free from obligation or commitment to anyone outside your immediate tribe/family. Contemporary civilization requires generations worth of infrastructure, State intervention, social cohesion, and shared interests & values. Accepting mass immigration or even just any immigration because "freedumb" has to be one of the strangest most half-cocked arguments I've ever come across. Although such hilarious insights do not seem to be atypical for your posts. Presupposing that society ought to have such simplistic notions (it doesn't, and most people would never agree with you) is unfounded.