A Joint Town Hall with Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders?

[LawnWake]

what a bunch of whiny naysaying bitches in this thread.. If Randal wants to do it; then by means hold the forum.

Oh no! Disagreement! Debate! On a forum no less! Oh the humanity!

I have no doubt that Sen. Paul would mope the floor with Sanders, no matter the forum. Sanders represents and supports a large, corrupt, inept government that nobody is happy with except those in power. Paul represents a smaller constitutional govt, responsive to people and otherwise leaving them alone.

I say bring it on.

BUT, stop referring to it as a debate. It is not planned to be a debate and we can't have a debate per RNC rules. Forum.

Yeah, because if Stalin's bodycount isn't enough to sway people from socialism, it's some pseudo-debate on American television.

Sorry, people who are more conservatively inclined will like Rand and those more liberal will declare Sanders the winner.

All this "debate" would do is give the media more fuel to potentially use against him. This does not have a place during primary season.

 

[specsaregood]

All this "debate" would do is give the media more fuel to potentially use against him. This does not have a place during primary season.

B.S. Randal has a number of great proposals that ring true with most of America; especially up against Sanders big govt solutions. I'd love to see a forum where they pit their proposals against each other.

 

[ds21089]

I have many mixed feelings about this. In a fair world, I'd say this would be a beneficial thing. He could probably even convert some Sanders fans over (I believe a lot of Sanders supporters have good intentions but just growing up through the socialist school system, tend to side with socialistic views) by explaining how we both want similar end results, but ours would actually get it done and is feasible, vs Sanders whose platform wouldn't work even if he did keep his promises if elected. That would help in the general election.

The way the media is now, obviously anything that could possibly be taken out of context will be used against him to further hurt his chances at the Republican nomination.

Seeing how you gotta win the Republican nomination first (honestly if Rand win Republican nomination I don't see him not winning general anyway, unless it's rigged), I think that perhaps this debate should take place later after he builds up some momentum and is less effected by his words being misconstrued.

I highly doubt this would build momentum for him at this point in time even if he crushed this debate. In the end, I think the risk outweighs the reward.

 

[ds21089]

B.S. Randal has a number of great proposals that ring true with most of America; especially up against Sanders big govt solutions. I'd love to see a forum where they pit their proposals against each other.

Assuming any media bothers to air this debate or report favorably for Rand on it even if he crushed it. I'm sure you're well aware it's "anyone but Rand" mode at this point. Not that it wasn't always that way, but we know how as the race gets closer to the end it becomes more blatantly obvious.

 

[specsaregood]

Assuming any media bothers to air this debate or report favorably for Rand on it even if he crushed it. I'm sure you're well aware it's "anyone but Rand" mode at this point. Not that it wasn't always that way, but we know how as the race gets closer to the end it becomes more blatantly obvious.

The point is, if this is a forum for comparing/discussing POLICY, Randal has not been shy about his ideas and proposals. (And he has a LOT of really good ones) The ammunition to use his policy ideas against him in any way is already out there. This only serves to potentially expose a greater audience to them AND compare his solutions to the big govt solutions.

just off the top of the head, some of my favorites:
1. allow doctors to deduct charitable work off their taxes.
2. allow veterans to see any doctor instead of only VA
3. his infrastructure tax holiday proposal
4. his overall tax proposal
5. the penny plan for the budget.

and he has a crapload more that he has mentioned or submitted as bills over the years. I'm not worried one bit about this forum.

 

[Jonderdonk]

At the AMA, Rand said (regarding a debate with Bernie): "Perhaps this is already in the works... Stay tuned..."

 

[Okaloosa]

Ron Paul needs to do the dirty work going after Bernie to get some of the liberals that support Bernie to see he is not the superhero they make him out to be. We need to get them supporting Rand if at all possible.

 

[PCKY]

The people Frank Luntz hand picks for the watch party.

And I care about Frank Luntz because.....?????

 

[PCKY]

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The point is, if this is a forum for comparing/discussing POLICY, Randal has not been shy about his ideas and proposals. (And he has a LOT of really good ones) The ammunition to use his policy ideas against him in any way is already out there. This only serves to potentially expose a greater audience to them AND compare his solutions to the big govt solutions.

just off the top of the head, some of my favorites:
1. allow doctors to deduct charitable work off their taxes.
2. allow veterans to see any doctor instead of only VA
3. his infrastructure tax holiday proposal
4. his overall tax proposal
5. the penny plan for the budget.

and he has a crapload more that he has mentioned or submitted as bills over the years. I'm not worried one bit about this forum.

Agreed!

 

[ItsTime]

I can promise you this. Frank Luntz will not be doing the after show ha!

But if you could pick someone to do the after show interviews (besides Ben Swann) who would it be?

 

[dannno]

I can promise you this. Frank Luntz will not be doing the after show ha!

But if you could pick someone to do the after show interviews (besides Ben Swann) who would it be?

Jesse Ventura, Joe Rogan, Cenk Uygur, Stephen Colbert (unlikely at this point..), Jon Stewart.....

 

[T.hill]

Jesse Ventura, Joe Rogan, Cenk Uygur, Stephen Colbert (unlikely at this point..), Jon Stewart.....

If they brought in judge napolitano, which is probably possible, that could actually persuade Jon Stewart to come.

 

[acptulsa]

You're looking at it from your own POV, not from voters in a Republican primary. People won't get their spiritual paleoconservative awakaning from Rand Paul being more pro-civil liberties or less interventionist than Sanders. They will just think that Rand is a liberal RINO.

Rand's views on foreign policy and civil liberties will only be considered 'libertarian' if they're said in the same breath as, say, Cruz's or Bush'. When squared with Sanders, he will appear liberal, not libertarian.

This debate should wait until Rand proved himself the conservative choice.

Oh, bull. The subjects of regulation, and welfare, and Obamacare, are bound to come up. They certainly won't spend the whole time talking civil liberties and foreign policy. In fact, those may just be the topics least likely to come up.

All this "debate" would do is give the media more fuel to potentially use against him. This does not have a place during primary season.

All this would do is show Republicans how they can get their first presidential election victory of the millennium that doesn't depend on the old 'don't change horses in the middle of a war' gambit. I can't imagine a better time to let them know how to do that than during the primary season.

 

[eleganz]

Rand needs to have a moment where he is different from the rest of the pack, if he pummels Bernie, it would give him something he needs, which is some more unique attention.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

I support Rand doing this, but he has to prepare thoroughly. Bernie is excellent at making emotional arguments that resonate with people. Rand needs to be willing to do his own version of this, but also counter Bernie's appeals to emotion with logic. It's a hard balance to strike, but it will be necessary to turn this into a boon.

 

[69360]

I don't get two things here. First the posters worried this will damage Rand in the GOP primary. Newsflash, he's already damaged and polling low single digits. It couldn't get much worse, so never know this might help. Second, all the hate towards Bernie Sanders. I don't agree with him on most everything, but I think he is honest, reputable and means well. There are so many liberals that are just dishonest scheming scum for you to hate.

 

[ItsTime]

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[cindy25]

I don't see what Paul has to gain. Rand is too politically correct to destroy every appeal to emotion and would play various games that Ron wouldn't.

He would still have reason and logic on his side, but I don't think most Sanders supporters care much for the finer points of policy discussion.

in NH indies can vote in either primary. it can't hurt

 

[PCKY]

There's a lot of great points on both sides of this argument. Rand has some very detailed economic positions. And no one is asking or seems to care. It's not about being drowned out at this point. Rand is being silenced. This could be an opportunity to make some hay and demonstrate that he can take on the Democratic talking points and win. I don't see the harm.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Sanders is the Dem underdog. By debating him and him alone Rand is SCREAMING! Hay I'm the Repug underdog and don't have a chance either.

FUCKING IDIOTIC MOVE!

-t