A Grassroots Portal Project

It might be difficult or cumbersome to get everyone together in one place. What about multiple locations throughout the U.S. and use technology to link us together, like Video Conferencing?


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I do agree, . . . I just think there is an important element in real world contact . . . a stronger binding force. Plus, sometimes things are best discussed face to face.

I do like the OpenMeeting. Never saw that before, me like:D
 
lol - Welcome to the forum


  1. the tools I have proposed include the "Library", a survey tool, and an online meeting tool. The library would be the natural place downloadable materials, tutorials, reference materials, etc. Much of this can be built on Tangents work with OCH
  2. Yes, defining a common set of principles is essential. This goes back to point #1. What has been proposed is keeping the portal's initial positioning to the "four points" agreed upon by RP and the major third parties during the last election cycle. I think we could expand upon these in the "parlor", but not necessarily in the "foyer". You touch on many of the potential benefits of the portal and have obviously put some time into developing a plan/goal (that I do not have the time to dissect at the moment). In the interest of #1 though, I think this site should focus on the draft mission statement above, "To showcase the people, and organizations, who promote, and defend, the socio-economic value of liberty"
  3. is debatable, and unlikely, regardless. If one flag arises in this movement, it will rise organically. I, also, wonder that representatives getting input from multiple organizations would have a good effect, as well.
  4. fair enough...
  5. That is the idea...
  6. Agreed, but kinda OT, as well. An alliance would help with these kind of meetings and the meeting tool could help plan them.
I appreciate your input, I imagine toning down the verbosity would be better on a message board, but I'm just one voice...

A note about the meeting tool: one reason I am proposing this is cause I dislike conference calls for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the thought that my fellow campaigners are holding cel phones to their heads for hours...:eek:

Thanks for the detailed response, I have a clearer image of your desires.

"I imagine toning down the verbosity would be better on a message board"

Will do so! I just got excited :D I get overjoyed when I find souls who are willing to act . . . and act wisely at that! There are so few anymore:(
 
Need clarification

...(and let me know if you want to play with the survey tool themes, I'll just need to create an account for you...)

I'm not tracking with you when you say, "survey tool themes". Please clarify. What would be an example of a "survey tool theme"? :confused:
 
The survey tool, limesurvey, has a, "Template editor for creating your own page layout"

The test survey I made was very bland and I imagine it could be dressed up a bit.

Along those same lines, I have gotten a request for Candidate surveys tailored to our movement for preliminary vetting. I have been looking at various surveys, but if someone wants to work on that, the help would be much appreciated. I imagine we could build question sets in the WIKI...

and PitViper, lol :) Excitement can be infectious :D

Thanks all :)
 
A few thoughts.

I think starting off with a good "send to" page for those new to the ideas of liberty would be great. Start off simple on the main page, then break it down into topics (sound money, civil liberties, health freedom) and explain the current problems with each then show how this results from bad government policies. At the end of each section provide a link to the related liberty forest forum "for your own discussion on this".

We need some guiding principles for the org and for anyone who is to assume some leadership. For example, IMO, to keep it pure and true it should be a totally non-paid grassroots org that seeks no profit for anyone. Transparency in income vs. expenses is good. IMO, we need a model that people will feel happy to contribute to and not feel later like they or their work is being taken advantage of. We need to be like an open-source resource for the freedom movement, maybe write a public license (GNU style) that we can put all works under. We need to define these principles, ones that can never change. We need leaders who will openly pledge to support those principles.

I agree the archive here is a treasure trove, and I've always tried to treat it accordingly-- which is also a large part of why it is of great value to POST TOPICS IN THE BEST FIT SUB-FORUM so the archives can be as useful as possible and not just a big blob.

In a sorts, RPFs has always been the anti-thesis of "all politics is local" - the community here has always allowed for sharing of best practices, information and talent with collaborating on projects. We're not a meet-up replacement, just a world wide gather place (and have had solid international contributors that have ended up making a difference on various local levels). We can use and leverage the CFL tools (which of course we'll all basically totally support) but our organization model is different (open source and grassroots), and as I said in PM, there are some areas they aren't going to want to touch that we can.

I talked to Liberty Eagle some last weekend, she had some good ideas- hope she will post (or I will for her).

This is the important part. (what is bolded) Most everything else I see on this thread is related to feed aggregation and trying to universalize the liberty message which won't work. People need to be approached from their own perspective. We need a networked and integrated backbone but MORE not less entry points.
 
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The problem with OpenID is that the client sites (the ones you log into) need to have it supported on the application level. And while most common cms/blog systems have some sort of openID plugin (Joomla/Wordpress/Drupal/etc), there is the possibility that the underlying server backend (such as PHP) lacks the ability to run the plugins :/ So if you're still running php 4 then there is a good chance you are out of luck.

The other issue is that you log in with a url and not a username/pass.

But yes if you could go around the hurdles of OpenID it would work, and you'd get the benefit of prepackaged plugins (sadly some work and some dont) and libraries. The other option is a new system altogether, which could be simple and secured with ssl, but libraries/plugins would need to be written for common platforms.

Yes, OpenID requires that the RP (Relying Party; i.e. the website that uses OpenID) have a application level plugin, but Janrain's newest (came out in '09 I think) solution is called RPX. It's rather nifty and allows users to login with their Yahoo/Facebook/Google account among others. And it is even simpler than the free plug-in libraries (that you'd use for standard OpenID) to implement.

But OpenID is a convenience issue (SSO - Single Sign On) is isn't an identity management mechanism, which is something that would be much cooler to have for a liberty type alliance.
 
I would start out simple as a blog and add on later if we must. We should get this up and going though.

How close to finishing are you, RPH?
 
There seem to be two projects that are being talked about here.

One is an alliance site, and the other is a portal.

James recommends people combine their sites. That won't happen. People enjoy running their websites and having control over their individual projects that they have started. That's why I think some sort of alliance is our best bet. It is a pain in the ass to keep up with ten different sites but I think the purpose of the footer is that the best run website will attract people from all over and the mass will naturally collaborate there.

Agreed! I'm creating the CommunityCrown.com website and would not hand full control over to another individual. Whether or not I'd somehow hand it out to the community at large is another idea completely though.

RPF/LF are just forums at the moment. I'd love to make it "the" portal with a snazzy front page but I need to find a good web person. I don't plan on turning this website over to a board. I'm going to send an email out and start looking for someone to turn RPF/LF into more than just forums...

You don't need to find a good web person. Projects can get done *very* cheaply through Rentacoder. My website is going to get done for less than $200, BUT I do know a lot of website programming. If I didn't know any programming at all I could still have done it for under $500.

We should start some kind of footer alliance and have it move over to a non-profit board. It seems to be the best way to include everyone and avoid stepping on toes. For the first go about you could reach out to BreakTheMatrix, LibertyForest/RPF, Free State Project, Operation Cat Herder, EndTheFed, RestoreTheRepublic, The Freedom Revolution, CFL, FreedomsGround, Freeople, Revolution Broadcasting, The Free Turkey, I'm sure I missed others... All of these sites would have a nicely designed footer at the bottom of every page. I don't know if we call it the Online Liberty Alliance as there is already a "Liberty Alliance" but names are easy to come up with. This should be a nuetral organization.
This is a great idea. However, it should have a membership requirement. I mean, I don't think my website deserves to be part of the list unless it can get at least a certain number of members, visitors, supporters, or something of that nature. Furthermore, the footer will grow to some size too large quickly. Should it not be limited to about 15 or 20 websites?
 
Also, I think the ingredients of any portal include:
1. News
2. A search engine
3. Directories, Information References, Etc.
4. Free Email/Messaging Services

1. In terms of news I was actually working before reading this is as follows:
Give anybody who wants one a "channel". So Liberty Forest could get a channel, BreakTheMatrix could get a channel, etc. Then have a digg-like system to vote up any of the news from any of the channels.
2. Expensive! Instead of search engines perhaps we could have a directory where the search function simply searches for websites rather than individual pages? At least that is what I was thinking about programming into my own website.
3. Very easy, and I don't know why this has not been done already. It could work similar to DMOZ only better because we would update a lot more than one time every three years or so.
4. I'm not sure how easy it would be to automatically set up new email accounts for anybody who wants one. I do however know that it should be encrypted and private like hushmail.

But also important, in terms of collaboration, my idea is to do these two steps:
1. Allow approved websites to stash certain information in a public database
2. Allow those same websites to grab information from that database for their own use.

For example, Liberty Forest could put their number of members logged in over the last 24 hours in the public database. Then, RonPaulGraphs for example could grab that number and put it into a graph. This is something I actually started to impliment but some how lost track of that goal.
 
This is a great idea. However, it should have a membership requirement. I mean, I don't think my website deserves to be part of the list unless it can get at least a certain number of members, visitors, supporters, or something of that nature. Furthermore, the footer will grow to some size too large quickly. Should it not be limited to about 15 or 20 websites?

I don't know about a "membership requirement" - OCH doesn't really have "members". We have a smaller number of volunteers/participants/contributors. People that actually do things. We don't collect members - we collect and distribute information. Don't even know how many individual visitors we've had, but we have had over 87,000 page views and had over 40 people working on projects at a time.

Other sites are similar - ronpaullibrary, ronpaulmusic, ronpaulvideo, etc. They don't have members - just resources.

-t
 
Ron Paul Hawaii wrote:

> 1.the tools I have proposed include the "Library", a survey tool, and an online meeting tool. The library would be the natural place downloadable materials, tutorials, reference materials, etc. Much of this can be built on Tangents work with OCH


Well, let me throw my 2 cents into the equation...

First we need to figure out what we want to do, what resources and people (skills) will be needed to do that and establish a critical path for what order things need to happen in. Some of these things are happening in this thread.

The movement, this project and OCH needs volunteers. Two principles here:

A – A single “opt in” volunteer form that lets people volunteer for whatever they are interested in working on is much more productive than doing a recruiting program for every particular project. Integrating an opt in into a main site – say on the start page, for projects that pop up would be ideal for the projects that pop up as we get going.

B – The appearance of activity and product to show for it, encourages people to step up and volunteer. A vision doesn't cut it. We need “meat” on the table.


On a survey tool – OCH uses survey monkey. Advantages: exports to spreadsheets, unlimited surveys and responses (premium version). Disadvantages: costs money, not that robust. We would welcome an alternative that did the same for free. In general, I view such tools as a way to collect information and volunteers for projects. For the most part, I really don't care what “the choir” thinks about an issue (It's not representative of the populace), but people like to participate in polls and have their opinion expressed – so it's a good tool to encourage repeat visits. It also helps build community.


On focus – everything the CFL won't touch and we can as well as everywhere they are duplicating our efforts and doing it very poorly. The natural “sweet spot” for us is the 2010 Congressional elections. This would suggest an alliance with the Replace Congress project. Some reservations I have with that project is that they base it on 3 principles, as opposed to RP's 4. And they have not gotten back about the candidates they claim are on board. It's worth looking at what happened before and what we need to do again in this area:

There were Two sites that listed candidates. This is obviously what “Replace Congress” wishes to do – list candidates. We need to do this again. Unfortunately, candidates were removed as they dropped out or were defeated. OCH also has a list of candidates, but only lists 49 of them. I believe we had around 80 initially. We need to contact all these people and see if they would be willing to run again. Further, we need to contact our base and see who might step up! A number of people have publicly stated a willingness to run on various forums – we need to data mine and FIND THEM! In support of this, we need to reach out on a national level and gather volunteers – both to work on campaigns in their local area but also to act as a pool of workers for things like mailings and phone banking in a more broad perspective.

http://operationcatherder.com/index.php/Our_Candidates

Two projects were established to provide a “Campaign in a Box” for candidates. These merged and eventually transformed into the skills bank. We need to continue this, and not just for the candidates. By “this” I mean both the original concept of software tools/website/tutorials as well as technical volunteers willing to help any project/campaign (The Skills Bank).

Then we had the Candidates Meetup. It's really hard to judge how successful that was. Roughly half the campaigns active at the time, joined. The idea was to share enthusiasm and strategies. The newer candidates chatted a lot, one former candidate helped the new folks. The ones that had done this before, tended to be very quiet or used back channels as we provided everyones contact info online. This was a closed, invite only and very quiet group.. We need to FIX this! (lack of communication) What we did provide is complete access to the skills bank and one person was mentoring people on Voter Vault. We were also trying to get people experienced in running phone bank and robo-calling projects organized and hooked up with campaigns, though this didn't work out well. Partially due to scattering to the wind and trying to track down folks, and also due to people protecting “turf” - something we need to get over, as the technology will be needed on a very local basis. Related was trying to gather voter registration databases – another project that needs to go further, as not all our candidates will be Republicans and thus qualify for Voter Vault access. We also made efforts to hook candidates up with bands for fund raisers.

A secondary problem with all campaigns was the lack of “boots on the ground”. Tons of people wanted to support Paul, but wouldn't support a local Congressional candidate. As there will be no presidential candidate in 2010, we should be able to get devoted people for this cause without distraction.

This brings us back to another Cat Herder project – that of tracking, re-contacting and networking all the grassroots groups out there. With the presidential campaign winding down and C4L coming into existence groups went away, merged, changed names, etc. It's become a huge mess and we don't know exactly who is still out there and how active. There are, however, over 1,000 Meetups still around. While we have a rough idea and a lot of contact information, an effort needs to be made again to get an accurate accounting and contact people again. Specifically, to find supporters and potential candidates:

The low fruit:
Contact those candidates that ran before.
Members of active forums, usergroups and Meetups.

A bit harder:
Those people that expressed that they wanted to run in 2010. This is a data mining project.

Much Harder:
C4L members – must be messaged individually.
Former members of defunct Meetups – again, must be messaged individually as they will be listed as “looking for a Ron Paul Meetup”, but the best bet is to try contacting the former Meetup organizers and asking who was most active and if they have contact info. Even just a list of names will tell who would be most useful to contact. We don't need everyone back – just the 10% that will actually get out there and do stuff.
Lastly, those individuals that donated to Ron Paul. These folks will have to be tracked down via phone books and reverse directories, and as a last resort, by mailing them. Data mining could reduce manual labor in most of these areas.

OK – that should cover re-activating the movement and getting supporters for candidates as well as candidates. We still need to deal with getting staffs and the “little problem” of a lot of these folks not having a clue about how to run for office, but we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves here...

Really, the first thing we should be doing is looking at every House and Senate seat. Some are friends of liberty and don't need to be replaced. Who's left? - that's where our focus should be.

While we should have a chance for every House seat, Senate seats are up every 6 years, so we only have a chance of winning a third of them. 16 Democratic seats are up next time so if 3 states backed each candidate trying to unseat a Dem Senator, that might give us a better chance. Here's a list of when Senate terms are up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Senators#Members


So anyway, other than re-mapping (State by State status) and working to re-activating the grassroots, some subsections of OCH that are relevant and could be plugged in to the portal include:

The Grassroots Roadmap – listing of RP / Liberty sites maintained by Snapple Lama. This listing might be good to look at to see what other content might be drawn in and useful.

The Skills Bank – ideally in collaboration with RPF, and possibly other sites. We really need to get a grassroots technical group back together.

The Bands 4 Ron Paul project. - ALL these bands need to be contacted, a directory and DB put together and organized to do fund raiser concerts, Ronstalks and ideally resurrect the CD project to record and send music to college, alternative, etc. radio stations. This will take a lot of either manpower or time due to Myspaces anti-spam policies.

The Grassroots Field Manual is pretty dormant, but could make good content. It needs work though.

Grassroots Classifieds is also dormant, but will become relative again.

Congress Critter contact info needs updating, but again useful reference material for content.

The Liberty Library only has 3 items in it, but it's a good start for that kind of a section.

Running for public office – again, not a lot in this section – but a start.

Our Candidates could be revamped to be a road map for recruiting and supporting 2010 candidates.

Past Events might be a starter for a Grassroots History section.

One section of the above is Cat Wrangler, that with it's associated tool (program) would be good to help automate the mass contact projects again.

Anyway, those are my thoughts for now,

-t
 
Webring?

Question:

Until the "master" site is hashed out and created, what about immediately setting up:

1. A simple "Liberty Alliance Web ring" (LAW lol!) :D

2. a simple sticky alert banner posted initially on this site and then given to all sites who join the ring (to post on their site).

3. A master webring directory that shows all on the ring in a few different selectable views, like:

by Specialty Focus (taxes, end the fed, militias etc)
by popularity
by design (forum, news, activists etc.)
by alphabetically
by "rating"
by Whatever . . .

Directory Must include full contact info of all on ring because the people on the ring will use that directory to get in touch with like minded websites to pull and share resources, empowering each others efforts.
eventually a "rating" system could also be listed on the directory, which would allow people to describe their experiences (or dispute) they had with each site.
Example:

"I tried too contact site XYZ and asked to share ABC and they were very rude and said GFU!" This will allow all of us to see who is truly an Ally.

A Simple Welcome letter sent to all who join the ring, listing that (reasonable) cooperation is expected - with no threats other than the honest rating system.

Also little icons on the master directory next to each site showing "Allied with" and/or a bar or pie graph (like webalizer) showing which site cooperates with each other site and to what extent.

In that way the organic growth of the "Fronts" or Forces, will be able to be seen by all.

Example: XYZ and ABC site are always cooperating and are always involved in real world court cases. GG, HH an JJ websites all often work together cause they all are adept at news media, so you or I knowing this, will go to this "Front" for news media assistance or the other "front" if we wind up in court! Thus, we become One efficient unit of independent cells! Sovereignty Maintained Sir! :D

and . . .

4. A master "resource pool" (listed on the directory) where any one can contribute anything, links, events, mailing lists, . . . possibly a wiki would do this. This is just shared stuff which can empower any on the ring.

If this already exists, please clue me in. :D
 
Wow, I was flat on my back sick for a couple few days and this thread had some action :) It'll take me a bit to go through this and I have some theater gigs this week so will be busy...

As far as how far I have gotten along, I'm usually working on multiple projects and this is just one of them. I could use help... One member has been kind enough to build a database of quotes, we already have lists of sites and such (in the wiki thanks to RCA).

We need submissions for a welcome statement, position statements for the four points, and and submissions for overall design. We, also, need web gurus to help out. I have to go to NYC today for some rehearsals, but am back in the saddle and will be putting more time into this project.

I'm glad to see some action here

:)
 
I was just checking for progress. After much discussion we are converting our local Ron Paul meetup to a C4L group and would love to refer prospects to a page like we have been discussing.
 
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