tremendoustie,
There are no utopias. Ambition, greed, fear [exist in all societies]
I agree. I should have been more specific -- when these attributes combine with the state, it's a recipe for the destruction of liberty. That's the context of my comment -- we were discussing what grows government and destroys liberty in a "limited" republic.
and bad politicians exist in all societies at all times.
I don't think "bad politicians" are inevitable to society. We used to have "bad slaveholders" too.
The Constitution recognizes this.
It seems to me that creating a central state is like Christmas morning for every greedy, powerhungry, corrupt person in the country. Who do you think is more likely to run for office? Your neighbor who just wants to live peacefully and mind his own business, or the meglomaniac intent on running everyone else's lives? Who do you think is more likely to succeed? The person who will take money and support from anywhere, who is willing to tell people what they want to hear, and is a superb liar -- or the honest man, who speaks honestly even if it's not what people want to hear?
Government, by its nature, attracts the very worst and most power hungry among us -- and the most corrupt and dishonest best succeed.
Unless you're going to magically populate government with angels, it exacerbates the effects of human flaws, rather than mitigating them. It's like disarming everyone in a room, and then dropping one giant gun in the middle of it, for the most power hungry to wrestle over, and use to force their will on everyone else.
Unfortunately, the globalists are shrewd and cunning and understand human nature far better than the majority of the voting population. These globalists have been subverting our Constitution and brainwashing the masses since 1913.
Yep, and the state is their most useful tool.
Utopians are the people the globalists target to use as their pawns. Communists, anarchists, fundamentalist religious people -- these people have a false understanding of human nature and have always been used by the globalists as useful idiots.
I understand human nature. It's precisely because of human nature that a central state does not work. Again, creating a tool that has the absolute power to control everyone's lives, and the ability to use monopolistic agressive force, is Christmas morning for every meglomaniac around. It's insanity.
Our nation is not defending its borders. Look at the signs carried by illegal aliens at protest rallies.
If I want to allow a person on my property, to live, or work, without them wading through a bunch of bureacratic garbage or paying government goons a bunch of fees, that's my right.
They don't have a right to dictate to me that I can only allow people on my property, or hire people, who have jumped through their BS hoops.
They were all printed by the SEIU and MoveOn.org. These organizations bus in these protestors at great expense. Where does the money come from? Why are these well-financed leftist organizations spending so much money and effort to continue the flow of illegal aliens into this country?
Hey, blind pigs find acorns sometimes. They were also supposedly against the wars, and they were right on that.
Do you believe your property rights will continue to exist once the majority of the population in your area is made up of foreign-born people from the Third World who do not speak your language or share your culture?
My property rights aren't being respected now. There are plenty of socialists born right here.
I don't think immigrants are necessarily more anti property rights than others, but even if they were, that wouldn't give me the right to go after them simply for being immigrants. That'd be like arresting all black people, because statistically more black people support socialism, or all New Yorkers, because statistically they're more socialist.
Each individual should be treated as an individual, not based on their race or country of origin.
Spend some time in Latin America.
I've spent a great deal of time in Brasil.
Those countries are all police states where laws are enforced arbitrarily.
Then I'm glad the victims of those police states can escape them, and find at least somewhat more freedom.
The solution is not to make us a police state too.
And, incidentally, you're painting with far too broad of a brush. Where I lived was far less of a police state than say, Detroit -- or even most US cities.
I have lived in Latin America. Property rights can disappear in a moment, depending on the emotions or desires of those in positions of power.
[URL]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/60minutes/main575343.shtml[/URL]
The rule of law is a vague concept there. Not only do thieves steal from you, but so do the police and local bureaucrats.
[URL]http://beyond-the-illusion.com/files/New-Files/20000531/taking_cash_into_custody.txt[/URL]
[URL]http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6947050.html[/URL]
[URL]http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/11/photos-from-kimble-county-texas/[/URL]
They take and there is nothing you can do unless you are in the good graces of the powers that be -- meaning you have the capacity to pay bribes. If you arm yourself, that will not stop 50 trigger-happy policia from busting down your door and gunning down your wife and children.
YouTube - Atty: Girl Shot in Head, Not Neck, During Raid
[URL]http://www.cato.org/raidmap/[/URL]
I doubt your neighborhood militia can defend itself from the local drug lord who will kidnap your daughter and torture her if you interfere with his business interests. And the cops are often on the drug lord's payroll.
[URL]http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/634/police_drug_corruption[/URL]
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http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table
And when drug prohibition is ended, there will be no such thing as a "drug lord" just as there's no such thing as a "beer lord" or an "asprin lord".
What's more, the power of militas would be far greater than that of any gang, for the same reason the government is stronger -- the combined resources of average people, who only want to be defended, far outweigh the resources of the few individuals who are interested in joining gangs to attack others.
Already in California we are becoming a Latin American-style police state, and this is a state that is more anti-military than most.
Then lets fight police corruption, and the police state, not make it far worse by giving them even more power, to make it so nobody can live or work without their knowlege and say so.
You're falling into the "bigger, more intrusive government will protect me from bigger, more intrusive government" trap. It's an absolute lie -- kind of like the idea that starting wars will create peace.
San Francisco is a sanctuary city where an illegal alien sits on the board of supervisors. His primary purpose is to subvert this country. He works to disarm the public, tax people who work for a living, redistribute their money and property to his ethnic compatriots .... even protecting violent criminals who come here.
Sounds like a bad guy. Let's not impugn everyone who looks like him, or everyone from his country. That's collectivst BS.
and he encourages the invasion of this country from Latin America
An invasion is when people show up with weapons trying to kill you. You're trying to demonize peaceful people who are only working for a living, so you can excuse attacking and kidnapping them. It's wrong, period.
Look to Mexico if you want to see our future if we don't defend ourselves from, as George Washington put it, "the wiles of foreign influence."
"Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged against provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad."
- James Madison, Letter to
Thomas Jefferson (
1798-
05-13); published in
Letters and Other Writings of James Madison (1865), Vol. II, p. 141
If our future is tyrannical, it will be because we, in cowardice, demanded tyranny, out of fear of real or imagined threats. Government control over labor and residence
IS tyranny.
Who I hire, or allow on my land, is none of your business.
There will always be armies and wars. But there will always be the desire for freedom. But freedom can slip away without vigilance. We in America have the geographical advantage of being able to stay out of wars, but our leadership works to keep us engaged in them as they move us toward their global government.
They would not be able to do so without a central state. How many would have volunteered to go to Iraq, or donated their own money to do so? Not many.
The US Army is not your enemy. It is filled with freedom-loving patriots from all backgrounds who are more likely to support the Liberty Movement than your average citizen. But the majority of American soldiers believe they are fighting for our freedoms by killing "terrorists" in the Middle East. This is because they have been brainwashed their whole lives by our media and education system, which became dominated by the banksters in the 1940s.
I agree that the army is mostly full of brainwashed people, rather than evil people. That only strengthens the point that this is such a horrible approach, however. There aren't that many diabolical meglomanics around -- it's only when the diabolical meglomaniacs can get control of an organization like the state, or a central army, that they can project their power, using dupes who have been brainwashed into blind obedience ("orders are orders", or "the law's the law"), and cause far, far more damage than would have been possible otherwise.
Our military is waking up to what's going on, and they are on our side, just as they were during the Revolutionary War.
That's good -- I hope that when they wake up, they quit, and refuse to keep killing for the state. That takes a enormous amount of guts and courage, I do recognize.
In general, I think peaceful civil disobedience, not armed rebellion, is the way forward -- so I'm wary of comparisons with the revolutionary war.
