A call to civil disobedience...

[March4Liberty]

Dear Fellow Americans,

I respect Kucinich and Howard for taking a stand in NH and demanding a recount; it is a good start towards defending our right to a free and untampered election. However, the notion that they must cough up $65,000 for a recount is absurd. It would seem that my state not only wants to endorse and allow the theft of our elections, but they also want to steal our money as insult to injury. When you think of the money NH wastes towards "fixing" highways that aren't broken and other abuses of our tax dollar it is a mystery to me why our state funds can't be allocated towards something that matters to all of us - defending an accurate and legitimate representation of our votes.

Let's face it. For far too long we put up with our government halting in a philibuster because some special interest group wants to get their pork barrel projects onto a bill. And who pays for this gross abuse of power? We do. That is why I say we need to show the State of NH as well as the remaining states that it is we who own our government, not the other way around. Therefore, I call that we cross party lines to join Kucinich supporters and urge Obama supporters to rise up with us and march on the NH State capital and demonstrate to the world that we voters demand an immediate, accurate and public recount.

Whether you voted for Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Barack Obama or Santa Claus your vote must count and you should be able to trust that the election process will not be tampered with. What will they say when we shut the capital down and force the government to take note of this important cause that speaks very closely to the heart of every patriot as it did our founding fathers? "Oh shit" comes to mind.

We are told the recount will begin this Wednesday, January 16. However, this is not getting the national attention it deserves. There will be initial hoopla over it, but it will die down until we are complacent. We must not let that happen. That is why I say we make the march happen on Monday, January 21 on MLK day. Yes, there are 47 states left to go with their primaries and caucuses, but if we allow this kind of disregard for voter rights to go on here we are setting precedent that it is okay everywhere. Let us not be so quick to dismiss or underestimate our own power.

Who is with me? Be frank, for I value your opinion.

Thank You,

Robert Lemieux

 

[Publius Freeman]

If I lived in NH, I would definitely consider taking action on this...

Live free or die, NH!

 

[Publius Freeman]

Vote Recount Documentary Video

How about a vote recount documentary video to boot? Calling NH videographers...

 

[Molly1]

We need to get voluteers organized to help in the recount and chain of custody of the ballots.

I just talked to someone in NH who doesn't even know there's going to be a recount!

 

[FreeTraveler]

How about dropping the recount issue, per Dr. Paul's request? If you respect the good doctor, you should respect that.

 

[Molly1]

How about dropping the recount issue, per Dr. Paul's request? If you respect the good doctor, you should respect that.

I do respect that, but the recount is going forward, regardless.

And, it's as important in this election to me that the vote gets counted as who they vote for.

 

[dannno]

How about dropping the recount issue, per Dr. Paul's request? If you respect the good doctor, you should respect that.

When did Dr. Paul ask us to drop the recount?

Are you confusing the letter he wrote stating that he would not call for a recount himself as saying we should not recount? Those are two separate things.

 

[CaveDog]

How about a vote recount documentary video to boot? Calling NH videographers...

You could suggest it to Dave Ridley. He does a lot of that kind of stuff.

http://youtube.com/RidleyReport

 

[Publius Freeman]

You could suggest it to Dave Ridley. He does a lot of that kind of stuff.

http://youtube.com/RidleyReport

Thanks. I like his work, and based on the quality of it, I think it's safe to say he's already setting his Ridleographers in motion to capture another historical grassroots event in NH...the more cameras the better. The onus remains on the NH SOS to ensure that this recount is conducted in the most efficient and effective way for the citizens of NH, and they need to be held accountable.

From http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount-

Update from NH
To all supporting or considering supporting the recount effort.

I am writing to share with you what I know about the New Hampshire Recount process.

At this time the paper ballots are sealed and in the possession of the Towns and Cities where they were cast. As with all great magicians the greatest illusions are done right before our eyes, and this is our concern with the Diebold Scanners and voting machines.

Past demonstrations have shown that these machines could skew the vote without the public or election officials knowing anything has happened. For this reason we have asked for a HAND RECOUNT of the ENTIRE STATE.

For anyone who may be concerned that a potential fraud could be covered up between now and Wednesday please sit back and consider this.

I live in New Hampshire because of the quality of life, a quality that starts with the honest hard working people who live here. Just think, for any funny business to take place from this point on, it would have to be a massive coordinated effort in over two hundred cities and towns, done right in front of the good people who live here. To pull that off in a few days would take real magic.

Now back to the processâ?¦. The Sec. of State will provide State Police Escort for the officials picking up the sealed paper ballots, each person who handles the ballots at any time will have to sign off on a ledger just like when you send registered mail. From there they will go to the location chosen for the recount. Each candidate can have their own team of observers if they so choose. Some of the logistics of the vote count still need to be worked out and as we (all those supporting Albert Howardâ??s efforts) are paying for the Recount we will have some input into the process. I personally suggested several video cameras streaming live to monitors and to the Internet. They liked the idea but we will definitely need help from our more tech savvy supporters.

Letâ??s keep up the positive excitement and make this thing happen.

Sincerely,

Eric

 

[dsentell]

When did Dr. Paul ask us to drop the recount?

Are you confusing the letter he wrote stating that he would not call for a recount himself as saying we should not recount? Those are two separate things.

Exactly!

I agree with the thread starter and if I were anywhere near NH, I would devote some time to march with you!

To those who still argue against a recount, I have two comments:

1. We work much to hard for our votes to have them stolen from us. If we are just going to sit back and let our votes be taken from us, why bother to campaign.

2. Assuring an accurate vote count is a part of the revolution we are fighting. Our fight is to restore our liberty, what is more basic in that battle than to assure that each and every vote we place is accurately accounted for.

 

[Son of Freedom]

I have a right to know my vote is counted accurately. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just plain wrong. This is being done by another candidate so it is no reflection on Ron, I don't understand why anyone here has an issue with this. If something underhanded is uncovered you'll all jump on the wagon then.

 

[March4Liberty]

Who's in?

Is anyone reading this who is either in NH or near NH willing to do this? Also, does anyone have any ideas how we can reach more people? I'm sure some Kucinich and Obama supporters are feeling a little wtf about the shady outcome of the NH primary but I haven't been able to find a message board for either of those candidates.

 

[jdrochon]

How about dropping the recount issue, per Dr. Paul's request? If you respect the good doctor, you should respect that.

I'm sorry I didn't hear him say that. But how about YOU remember this movement is about freedom and restoration of OUR liberty. Ron Paul is campaigning yes, but the people are leading. So go ahead and be the subservient you so desire, while "We the People" maintain our non-conformist status and stand behind what we believe based on principle not obedience.


"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it.

To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker, but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all. "

Michael Rivero


"Still, if you WILL NOT fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, and still yet if you WILL NOT fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you WILL have to fight with all the odds against you, and only a precarious chance for survival.

There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

Winston Churchill

 

[Oyate]

The call to CD is premature

The call to civil disobedience is premature. We are in the middle of a campaign in which we hope to gain mainstream appeal.

We are not trained in CD. The movement is not experienced in this.

I'm a CD trainer. I've been there.

 

[alexa doherty]

I say raise hell. It's the only way to make change.

 

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

That's hot!

I say raise hell. It's the only way to make change.

Alexa,

There's nothing sexier than a woman with
the fires of liberty running through her vaines!

Hunter

 

[hopeforthefuture]

Dear Fellow Americans,

I respect Kucinich and Howard for taking a stand in NH and demanding a recount; it is a good start towards defending our right to a free and untampered election. However, the notion that they must cough up $65,000 for a recount is absurd. It would seem that my state not only wants to endorse and allow the theft of our elections, but they also want to steal our money as insult to injury. When you think of the money NH wastes towards "fixing" highways that aren't broken and other abuses of our tax dollar it is a mystery to me why our state funds can't be allocated towards something that matters to all of us - defending an accurate and legitimate representation of our votes.


I AGREE! The officials in NH are the ones who made the mistake, so why should someone else have to pay for the recount?????

 

[Sutton]

Before you overcommit to this, has it crossed your mind what you're going to do if (when?) the recount doesn't show widespread fraud?

You guys are committing to the idea that NH is corrupt, when there isn't any really legitimate reason to think so.

I cast one of the notorious 31 votes from Sutton. I also know the people involved, and I don't think for a moment that there was corruption or fraud. Before you start demanding that NH pay taxpayers' money on the recount, rather than making the candidates play by the rules, you need to have a case. Look for reimbursement after the fact, if something turns up to be really wrong with the process.

But right now, there's nothing.

Do we really need to make it easier for people to smear RP and his supporters?

If we scream "Corruption" and end up with "Oh, the results were right, after all," we look stupid and deserve to.

There's nothing wrong with waiting for the facts.

 

[TexFootballMom]

Before you overcommit to this, has it crossed your mind what you're going to do if (when?) the recount doesn't show widespread fraud?

You guys are committing to the idea that NH is corrupt, when there isn't any really legitimate reason to think so.

I cast one of the notorious 31 votes from Sutton. I also know the people involved, and I don't think for a moment that there was corruption or fraud. Before you start demanding that NH pay taxpayers' money on the recount, rather than making the candidates play by the rules, you need to have a case. Look for reimbursement after the fact, if something turns up to be really wrong with the process.

But right now, there's nothing.

Do we really need to make it easier for people to smear RP and his supporters?

If we scream "Corruption" and end up with "Oh, the results were right, after all," we look stupid and deserve to.

There's nothing wrong with waiting for the facts.

++++++++++++YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gutteck]

Before you overcommit to this, has it crossed your mind what you're going to do if (when?) the recount doesn't show widespread fraud?

You guys are committing to the idea that NH is corrupt, when there isn't any really legitimate reason to think so.

I cast one of the notorious 31 votes from Sutton. I also know the people involved, and I don't think for a moment that there was corruption or fraud. Before you start demanding that NH pay taxpayers' money on the recount, rather than making the candidates play by the rules, you need to have a case. Look for reimbursement after the fact, if something turns up to be really wrong with the process.

But right now, there's nothing.

Do we really need to make it easier for people to smear RP and his supporters?

If we scream "Corruption" and end up with "Oh, the results were right, after all," we look stupid and deserve to.

There's nothing wrong with waiting for the facts.

Either your blood is cold as ice or you just don't care whether you have a voice or not. If MY vote were to be thrown in the trash that would be like saying for example suppose that we are in a meeting discussing the future of my children and when I begin to talk someone tells me to shut up because I don't matter not my children.

And that my friend happened to you. How can you be so cool about it? And it doesn’t fit in my head that you can say that you cast one of the votes that weren't counted and say that there is no sign of fraud when you just stated the fraud.
Seriously I don’t believe you are for real.