A blimp is a BAD IDEA - here is why

[Matt Collins]

So what do you hope to accomplish by continuing this anti-grassoots campaign on the internet?

I am not pushing an anti-grassroots campaign.... grassroots campaigns are how we win... I am pushing grassroots training

 

[phill4paul]

I remember canvassing neighborhoods in SC going door to door with this blimp flying overhead. I would talk about Ron Paul they'd be all "who?" and I just pointed to the sky and here was this blimp "Who Is Ron Paul?" LOL they looked like they were stepping into Alice In Wonderland. We actually did pretty good in that precinct. I remember, I was tracking it because that was the precinct I had canvassed with the blimp, and I was curious.

Stop with the anecdotes already. He done told ya you need internal polls to know somethin' 'bout nothin'.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The 2012 campaign was far more troubling for me. The campaign was forbidden by law from coordinating messages with the grassroots. If someone on the campaign payroll was....say, creating alternate identities in an effort to steer the funds and the messages that the internet forum grassroots were funding at the time, it would have been a pretty clear violation of campaign finance law.

Jesus! Do you people hate Collins so badly, that you would bite off your damn noses to spite your face? This isn't the first time I have seen someone here talking like this. Grow a damn brain and stop trying to kill off our own team. SHEESH.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Jesus, you bunch of freaks--just defer to Matt already, he's gone to SEMINARS.

What is so strange about learning Roberts Rules of Order and the mechanics of actually winning an election? What would it hurt?

 

[phill4paul]

That's pretty pricey earned media.

Compared to what? People decided they wanted a friggen blimp. They got it. They still contributed to the largest independently funded (dual cycle) campaign to ever exist. A campaign that attacked the wrong candidates with worthless ads. That seems pretty pricey to me.

 

[Matt Collins]

Anyways, any luck getting no income tax in the TN constitution?

I had nothing to do with it, although I voted for it, and it passed.

But it didn't matter because an income tax is not politically viable in TN for another 20 years at least....

It sounds like you think that if Ron Paul had his way, Audit the Fed wouldn't have passed the house.

It only passed because pressure was put on to the Congressmen to pass it.... Go back and listen to speeches from Thomas and Justin over the last 2 years discussing this.

Just not really sure what you mean. Ron Paul is the person who wrote the audit the fed bill and explained it to me. I didn't need campaign for liberty to tell me to get behind Ron Paul's common sense bill. I am sure campaign for liberty reached out to a lot of people and had millions of startup money to do so from Ron's educational campaign.

The point is that they got us to put pressure on the Congressmen. That's the only thing that works in politics unless you can write really big checks.

 

[phill4paul]

Jesus! Do you people hate Collins so badly, that you would bite off your damn noses to spite your face? This isn't the first time I have seen someone here talking like this. Grow a damn brain and stop trying to kill off our own team. SHEESH.

He ain't on the team, sweetheart. Get a damn brain yourself.

 

[LibertyEagle]

He ain't on the team, sweetheart. Get a damn brain yourself.

I wasn't talking about Collins. Learn to read.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

 

[phill4paul]

I wasn't talking about Collins. Learn to read.

Maybe what you wrote wasn't clear. Ever think about that sweetcheeks?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Compared to what? People decided they wanted a friggen blimp. They got it. They still contributed to the largest independently funded (dual cycle) campaign to ever exist. A campaign that attacked the wrong candidates with worthless ads. That seems pretty pricey to me.

haha. Good point. I hated the blimp. Hated seeing Trevor lining his pockets and all of the shell-moving going on. But, what you said is a good point. lol

 

[LibertyEagle]

Maybe what you wrote wasn't clear. Ever think about that sweetcheeks?

No, dogturd, I didn't. Because it was clear.

 

[amy31416]

What is so strange about learning Roberts Rules of Order and the mechanics of actually winning an election? What would it hurt?

Because you can read a damn book if you can't afford it and not try to leech off of us, then insult the shit out of those who were generous enough to send him there.

If he has some "wisdom" to share, he's exceedingly ineffective at it. And he'd just as soon call you an ignorant buffoon as he would the rest of us. Don't lecture me--read his posts. Do you learn from someone who constantly attempts to put you down?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Because you can read a damn book if you can't afford it and not try to leech off of us, then insult the shit out of those who were generous enough to send him there.

If he has some "wisdom" to share, he's exceedingly ineffective at it. And he'd just as soon call you an ignorant buffoon as he would the rest of us. Don't lecture me--read his posts. Do you learn from someone who constantly attempts to put you down?

I have no love for Collins. This isn't about him. He was talking about going to one of the leadership classes. He doesn't run them, or to my knowledge, profit off of them.

You can hate Collins all you want and still want to have the tools under your belt for how to win. Call it multi-tasking. lol

 

[jjdoyle]

Because you can read a damn book if you can't afford it and not try to leech off of us, then insult the shit out of those who were generous enough to send him there.

If he has some "wisdom" to share, he's exceedingly ineffective at it. And he'd just as soon call you an ignorant buffoon as he would the rest of us. Don't lecture me--read his posts. Do you learn from someone who constantly attempts to put you down?

What is so strange about learning Roberts Rules of Order and the mechanics of actually winning an election? What would it hurt?

If Rand 2016 is paying people to learn Roberts Rules of Order and the mechanics of actually winning an election, it wouldn't hurt. But, if Rand expects people to volunteer their time and do it at their own expense(s), then we can/should instead take a cue from Matt Collins' and bill the campaign for those expenses.

It would hurt the grassroots more than anything, because as 2012 showed us, the RNC won't even read the delegates of other candidates outside the establishment's chosen one, so it would be a huge waste of grassroots supporters' time and money.
That time could be better spent doing important things, like watching paint dry.

Or, seriously, doing things like volunteering locally at charities, planting a garden, tending the garden, helping a neighbor, reading a book, writing a book.

 

[phill4paul]

No, dogturd, I didn't. Because it was clear.

Your brain is addled. Go back and read your own post, sourtits.

 

[Matt Collins]

You can hate Collins all you want and still want to have the tools under your belt for how to win. Call it multi-tasking. lol

Bingo....

 

[LibertyEagle]

Your brain is addled. Go back and read your own post.

I have, skippy. Perhaps you should and also read what I quoted.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I have no love for Collins. This isn't about him. He was talking about going to one of the leadership classes. He doesn't run them, or to my knowledge, profit off of them.

You can hate Collins all you want and still want to have the tools under your belt for how to win. Call it multi-tasking. lol

I've been to these classes. They are insightful towards making enemy politicians vote the way you want them on rare occasions. That is a single screwdriver in an entire bag slam full of tools.

 

[newbitech]

hi

No not at all actually. I understand that almost all human decisions are based upon emotion, not logic, reasoning, or rationale. And that's what sales is 101: moving people out of their logical rational mindset and into the emotional realm. Sometimes people think they are being rational and logical, but it can be emotional logic too. Either way, I get it.

Ok, so you agree about the emotional appeal.

Voters vote based on emotion. Strategy should not be based on emotion.

Matt, the strategy to take over the republican party is not working. People do not FEEL GOOD about what they have to do follow this strategy. I don't feel good about walking in to an establishment convention or whatever and rubbing elbows with people who are power hungry, selfish, irresponsible, unaccountable and full of shit.

I am sure that there are people out there who are cut out for stuff like that. Rand Paul comes to mind. That is his talent. Many more I am sure are equally as talented.

HOWEVER, I can still be effective in what I do. Where do you think your power is going to come from Matt?

Cream rises to the top, but sometimes crap floats too.... My point being that just because lots of people wanted it doesn't make it a good idea or even a worthwhile project.

Actually, I understand what you are saying but I must disagree because of free market principles. Also, floating crap is actually a good thing. It is a sign that you are eating right. If your crap is not floating, it probably means something not good is going on in your diet. You don't want your crap to sink, Matt.

Also, we aren't just talking about what lot's of people wanted. We are talking about what lots of people did. The idea was good because people paid for it. the idea was worthwhile because people freely spent their time, energy, and resources on it. there was no coercion or force involved. People who didn't think it was a good idea were free to persuade others to do something else. People who didn't think it was worthwhile were free to not spend time, energy, or resources on it. In the end, the good idea won out and the project was successful.

The success is measure by what each individual (investor) got out of it. If you did not put time, money, or resources into, then you have no basis really for telling someone who did if what they got out of it was valuable, because it's obvious that since you put nothing in to it, you got nothing out of it. I put in a couple hundred bucks. It was money well spent because as I said, even to this day when I talk about how the movement started, the idea of a blimp still has people in awe.

The only people I here refuting the amazing Ron Paul blimp are the people who had a chance to put their name on it, but for whatever reason thought it was a bad idea. Whatever. I guess, your loss? Certainly not mine.

Everything the government does is political. Every law, rule, and regulation that comes in to being is the result of politics and someone having power to get it done. If we don't have any power, then we are not going to be able to get it undone. It's just that simple.

I suggest you study a little bit on how the civil rights movement was successful, or how India won it's independence, hell study up on how this country was founded. Where does that power come from, Matt? From government?

I think you have it backwards. You seem to think that first "we" need to get someone into high office, THEN "we" get power. No. "We" get power and then "we" assign a representative to place in position to make the laws "we" agree to. It's not the other way around. Not by a long shot.

Ignore unjust laws. Ignore people who think they have "power" because of their position. Ignore people who abuse power given to them by the people that put them in that position.

OR, become corrupted by that power and use force to hold that power and steal it from the people who were willing to trust your with it in the first place.

Granted, we don't have to have good elected officials in order to win, we just have to know how to manipulate the ones in office to do our bidding. That's much easier than most people think it is... I know because I've done it when I was broke and had almost no resources other than an e-mail list at my disposal.

Hmm, yeah. I see you are starting to come around.

Winning tactics are ideologically neutral. The tactics that the progressives have used so well for the last 100 years to implement their agenda will also work for us when we actually decide to try them.

The goal is to get the government restrained by changing policy. That can only happen through the political, electoral, and legislative process.

Gonna have to disagree with you here on principle. Once a particular tactic is know by all, it becomes a useless tactic that simply relies on the ignorance of your opponent to be successful. Play some chess.

Ideologically speaking, my adversaries are corrupted by greed, power hungry, unashamed, and morally bankrupt. These are weakness and my tactic is to be generous, yielding, compassionate, and righteous.

This translate politically into exactly the kind of politician that Ron Paul was. He led by example, but unfortunately for me I was blinded my own weakness. My job is not to use the same tactics that kept me politically buried for most of my life. My job is to show others around me who have been oppressed how to free themselves.

My goal is not to restrain the government, but to get it completely out of my life. I don't want to change policy. I want policy to be eliminated. I don't need any more processes in my life. I need politicians, electors, and legislators out of it.

I am not sending Rand Paul or anyone else to represent me and the policies and laws I want. I am sending Rand Paul or whoever to represent me to tell everyone else in government to go find something better to do with their time than micro managing my life and trying to make 300 million individual policies and laws and processes into a one size fits all solution.

It's really simple. Leave the governing of my life to me.

Uh no... the world doesn't work like that.

First off, you can'd do anything without power. There is nothing wrong with having power, it is just like money. Nothing wrong with having money either. But how you acquire it and what you do with it is the key.

Power is of course defined as getting other people to do what you want them to do (government power, backed by force, can be illigitimate in some cases,)

And secondly, just because you have the moral high ground doesn't mean squat. Having the moral high ground will not win you anything. Yes, we should always have the moral high ground, but if we want to change the law, then we must have power.

Exchange the word "power" for "money" and you'll see what I'm talking about... here is an example:

"If we have the best cheeseburgers in the world, everyone will want to buy our cheeseburgers"..... that is absurd and a good way to have a failing business... the reality is this: "If we have the best cheese burgers in the world, we must let people who are in the market for a cheeseburger know that they need to try our cheeseburgers instead of our competition's cheeseburgers".

Or power and money is raw form is energy. Having the moral high ground is how you change minds without money or power, Matt. It's also extremely useful in terms of karma and divine intervention, which is what many people with whom I speak believe is going to be necessary to pull this country out of the funk its been in for 100 years without a collapse that will make Rome look like a pilot light.

Just because you are right or have the best product doesn't mean you win anything. You have to bring the product to market otherwise it goes nowhere. And it is a VERY small market consisting of only a little % of society at large that determine elections.

Winning isn't everything, Matt. Sometime it's simply about survival. Or, you could position your product in front of the market and let the market come to you.

Voting doesn't win elections, Matt. Power, Money, and the ability to change minds without either does, Matt. Where does the power come from Matt? Where does the money come from Matt? Where does the ability to change minds without power or money come from Matt?