8 Killed in Shootings at 3 Atlanta Spas, Questions If Racism Due to COVID Was a Motive

[69360]

White people hating blacks was getting old, media had to change things up a bit. Asians are the new black.

 

[CaptUSA]

Non-Atlanta news broadcast tonight:

“Investigators are trying to determine a motive here. Six of the victims were Asian and seven were women, authorities say the 21 year old told them he had a sex addiction and was trying to eliminate temptation though there is no evidence the women targeted here were sex workers. Investigators have not ruled out race as a motive.”

Wink, wink, it’s really all about race, no matter what anyone says...

I've always wondered about the obsession with trying to find the motivation behind a crazy person's actions. Is it not enough to say that this person had a mental breakdown and his crazy brain found some sort of crazy reasoning for what he did? Somehow, it's always got to be a societal problem. The fact that 99.9999% of the population do NOT do these things should tell them it isn't society's fault.

I mean, crazy people gonna crazy. That's what they do.

 

[jmdrake]

Nobody has said this yet, so I'll say it. Is there a reason why most of these "massage parlors" that are undercover bordellos are Asian? This is a stereotype that seems rooted in reality. It's just like I expect a nail salon to be Asian. And yes, the overwhelming majority of prostitutes/escorts are NOT Asian. I did a simple search on Google for "massage parlor bust." There were the top three videos.







If I hear that a meth lab exploded I'm expecting to see a white person. If I hear a crack house got busted I'm expecting to see a black person. If I hear a school shooting, I'm expecting a white male. If I hear there was a drive by shooting, I'm expecting to see a black male. If I hear a massage parlor got raided for prostitution.....I'm expecting to see Asian women. Color me crazy.

So....crazy guy has a hard on for massage parlor prostitutes? He wants to take out his main temptation? And it's a shocker that most of his victims are Asian women? That's what nobody is saying. But I said it. If he just hated Asians over the "kung flu" you'd think he would find a way to kill some Asian men.

 

[jmdrake]

I've always wondered about the obsession with trying to find the motivation behind a crazy person's actions. Is it not enough to say that this person had a mental breakdown and his crazy brain found some sort of crazy reasoning for what he did? Somehow, it's always got to be a societal problem. The fact that 99.9999% of the population do NOT do these things should tell them it isn't society's fault.

I mean, crazy people gonna crazy. That's what they do.

Because if the only motive is that the person is crazy....they don't get prosecuted. The white guy that killed three blacks and one hispanic in Nashville at a Waffle House a few years ago was never prosecuted because it was determined that he had schizophrenia. If he had any other motive, robbery, racism, rage, he would have been put on death row. That said, I don't think sex addiction will be enough to spare this particular killer's life. If that were the case then most serial rapists would use the sex addiction defense.

Here is something else to consider from a societal point of view. Assuming the killer is telling the truth about his motives, and I have no reason to think otherwise, what led him to such a state of self loathing over frequenting prostitutes? Is it the fact that prostitution is illegal? The movie "The Silence Of The Lambs" was propaganda about the idea that society blocking someone with gender dysphoria getting a sex change might lead that person to become a serial killer. But...in this case...it seems that the facts support the idea that the prohibition of the world's oldest profession led to mass murder. Someone explain to me why I'm wrong here.

 

[CaptUSA]

Here is something else to consider from a societal point of view. Assuming the killer is telling the truth about his motives, and I have no reason to think otherwise, what led him to such a state of self loathing over frequenting prostitutes? Is it the fact that prostitution is illegal? The movie "The Silence Of The Lambs" was propaganda about the idea that society blocking someone with gender dysphoria getting a sex change might lead that person to become a serial killer. But...in this case...it seems that the facts support the idea that the prohibition of the world's oldest profession led to mass murder. Someone explain to me why I'm wrong here.

I'd be willing to wager that if prostitution wasn't his motive, than he would have found something else. I don't think it starts with the "justification" for these guys. I think they're messed up and will glom onto whatever happens to be rattling around in their brains at the time. In other words, they have a short-circuit in their wiring and they'll find something in the outside world to fixate upon. There's really no sense for sane people to try to remove all "justifications" that could arise in the minds of crazies - you'll never be able to cleanse the world of all possible triggers.

I recognize this is the constrained view of the world, but I think it's valid in the case of mass murderers.

 

[Anti Federalist]

But...in this case...it seems that the facts support the idea that the prohibition of the world's oldest profession led to mass murder. Someone explain to me why I'm wrong here.

My take on his reasoning seems to lead me to the opposing idea: that the readily available amount of "cheap" sex and porn facilitated these addictions that he internally loathed.

Think A.J. Maggot from the film "The Dirty Dozen"

 

[jmdrake]

My take on his reasoning seems to lead me to the opposing idea: that the readily available amount of "cheap" sex and porn facilitated these addictions that he internally loathed.

Think A.J. Maggot from the film "The Dirty Dozen"

But is it really though? Remember the "Pepe Le Pew" approach just got "cancelled" by being called "rape culture." Yeah woman flaunt WAP but then get offended when the wrong guy actually asks for it. I saw a "Imagine a day without men" meme where one woman said "I could post a picture of myself in a bikini" or "Dance around all day naked" or "wear a mini skirt." So...apparently women want to show off their body...but without men. And not all of these women a lesbians.

https://www.mamamia.com.au/a-world-without-men/

We live in simultaneously the most sexually expessive and repressed society in history. Two men can get married. Two women can get married. A man can be married and have two girlfriends. But let that same man marry two wives? Thow him in a rape cage! It's legal for any group of consenting adults to perform sex acts on a web cam and get paid for it. But let one of the participants pay for the experience? That's a crime. Please explain that logic to me.

 

[jmdrake]

I'd be willing to wager that if prostitution wasn't his motive, than he would have found something else. I don't think it starts with the "justification" for these guys. I think they're messed up and will glom onto whatever happens to be rattling around in their brains at the time. In other words, they have a short-circuit in their wiring and they'll find something in the outside world to fixate upon. There's really no sense for sane people to try to remove all "justifications" that could arise in the minds of crazies - you'll never be able to cleanse the world of all possible triggers.

I recognize this is the constrained view of the world, but I think it's valid in the case of mass murderers.

So all mass murderers are the guy that shot up the Nashville Waffle House and will never stand trial for his crimes because he is crazy? Maybe. But I don't think so.

 

[CaptUSA]

So all mass murderers are the guy that shot up the Nashville Waffle House and will never stand trial for his crimes because he is crazy? Maybe. But I don't think so.

Well, no. That's not what I'm saying at all. ??? I'm saying that the crime is the crime and the criminal is the criminal. Whatever reasons the criminal uses for committing the crime are not really relevant to a societal problem. They may or may not be used in the conviction and sentencing of the individual, but it doesn't follow that there must be a problem with society. Society didn't make him do this - he did. Whether he's flat-out crazy or just made crazy decisions on that day will be determined during his trial. But the criminal committed the crime and whatever reasoning he used to do it was unique to him. And if his mind made that poor reasoning, we shouldn't be jumping to the conclusion that there's a societal problem. I'm mean, pretty much everyone else didn't make his decisions.

Whether he chose racism, sex, bullying, ideology, religion, or whatever else to make his decision shouldn't be an indictment of a greater societal issue that needs to be corrected.

 

[Philhelm]

I think he used the sex addiction explanation so that people wouldn't assume that he's a virgin.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I've always wondered about the obsession with trying to find the motivation behind a crazy person's actions. Is it not enough to say that this person had a mental breakdown and his crazy brain found some sort of crazy reasoning for what he did? Somehow, it's always got to be a societal problem. The fact that 99.9999% of the population do NOT do these things should tell them it isn't society's fault.

I mean, crazy people gonna crazy. That's what they do.

Propaganda is propaganda. No need for truth or reason.

It’s either the fault of the evil white man and his systemic oppression, or the Orange Man. The propagandists are using both.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

... But...in this case...it seems that the facts support the idea that the prohibition of the world's oldest profession led to mass murder. Someone explain to me why I'm wrong here.

My take on his reasoning seems to lead me to the opposing idea: that the readily available amount of "cheap" sex and porn facilitated these addictions that he internally loathed.
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I’m with AF on this. Obviously these services were out in the open and highly available.

The contradictions and failures in the law are a separate issue.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Nobody has said this yet, so I'll say it. Is there a reason why most of these "massage parlors" that are undercover bordellos are Asian? This is a stereotype that seems rooted in reality. It's just like I expect a nail salon to be Asian. And yes, the overwhelming majority of prostitutes/escorts are NOT Asian. I did a simple search on Google for "massage parlor bust." There were the top three videos.
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If I hear that a meth lab exploded I'm expecting to see a white person. If I hear a crack house got busted I'm expecting to see a black person. If I hear a school shooting, I'm expecting a white male. If I hear there was a drive by shooting, I'm expecting to see a black male. If I hear a massage parlor got raided for prostitution.....I'm expecting to see Asian women. Color me crazy.

So....crazy guy has a hard on for massage parlor prostitutes? He wants to take out his main temptation? And it's a shocker that most of his victims are Asian women? That's what nobody is saying. But I said it. If he just hated Asians over the "kung flu" you'd think he would find a way to kill some Asian men.

Stereotypes and gross generalizations exist for a reason. They usually reflect real world observation.

I had the same thought while watching an Asian woman on TV telling us how the fact that mostly Asian women were shot proves that the shooting was racially motivated. If someone wanted to go out and murder prostitutes, they would have to go to fixed locations like these massage parlors, which happen to all be Asian. There are plenty of other prostitutes, but a street walker would probably be much harder to find than these parlors.

 

[jmdrake]

I’m with AF on this. Obviously these services were out in the open and highly available.

The contradictions and failures in the law are a separate issue.

Highly available is not the same as available without risk. If you have not been involved with the legal side of prostitution, either as a defense lawyer or a defendant, there is a piece of the puzzle you're missing. The men who get arrested are forced to go to "John school" to get out of having to spend time in jail where they are told over and over again how horrible they are for paying for sex. The perp in this case was identified as a "sex addict" and his roomate said he attended supporting meetings. Think 12 step "alchoholics anonymous" type groups. Step 1? "Admitting powerlessness over the addiction." So, dude gets drilled in his head over and over again that not only is he horrible for having gone to prostitutes, but also that he can't help his behavior. He is supposed to be paranoid about himself, only the reaction to his self induced paranoia isn't supposed to be "go and destroy your temptation" but "go call up your support group to get one of them to talk you out of what it is you really really want to do." I agree with [MENTION=30558]CaptUSA[/MENTION] that he's got a wire loose up there somewhere. I agree with [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] that the hypersexualization of society in general probably was a problem for this guy. But I happen to think that the criminalization and demonization of his easiest outlet for his urges probably didn't help matters either.

 

[jmdrake]

Stereotypes and gross generalizations exist for a reason. They usually reflect real world observation.

I had the same thought while watching an Asian woman on TV telling us how the fact that mostly Asian women were shot proves that the shooting was racially motivated. If someone wanted to go out and murder prostitutes, they would have to go to fixed locations like these massage parlors, which happen to all be Asian. There are plenty of other prostitutes, but a street walker would probably be much harder to find than these parlors.

Exactly! And it's not so much an issue of harder to find (even though Backpage.com got shut down, a hundred other sites like it sprung up in its place), but he would have only been able to find one at a time. It's like someone who wants to kill a lot of children goes to a school or a playground where to find a large number of victims at one place.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Highly available is not the same as available without risk. If you have not been involved with the legal side of prostitution, either as a defense lawyer or a defendant, there is a piece of the puzzle you're missing. The men who get arrested are forced to go to "John school" to get out of having to spend time in jail where they are told over and over again how horrible they are for paying for sex. The perp in this case was identified as a "sex addict" and his roomate said he attended supporting meetings. Think 12 step "alchoholics anonymous" type groups. Step 1? "Admitting powerlessness over the addiction." So, dude gets drilled in his head over and over again that not only is he horrible for having gone to prostitutes, but also that he can't help his behavior. He is supposed to be paranoid about himself, only the reaction to his self induced paranoia isn't supposed to be "go and destroy your temptation" but "go call up your support group to get one of them to talk you out of what it is you really really want to do." I agree with [MENTION=30558]CaptUSA[/MENTION] that he's got a wire loose up there somewhere. I agree with [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] that the hypersexualization of society in general probably was a problem for this guy. But I happen to think that the criminalization and demonization of his easiest outlet for his urges probably didn't help matters either.

Good point.

No, I was not aware of all of the details or “John school”. More details are coming out about this guy’s situation and past, and it proves the sex addiction motivation (as twisted and mental as that is as an excuse for mass murder).

 

[jmdrake]

No matter what anybody thinks of this story...this is funny.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And at the end of the day, no matter how you cut it, there is more "sex" available everywhere you turn, but it is cheap, tawdry and hard.

Sex, and every perversion of it, are on open display everywhere, readily available...

And yet we're all having less of it, and what we do have, is less and less satisfactory and fulfilling.

 

[pcosmar]

Simple truth in this busted world..Sexual Repression is the root of Sexual Deviation.

and sex is something that is shrouded in dishonesty.

 

[jmdrake]

And at the end of the day, no matter how you cut it, there is more "sex" available everywhere you turn, but it is cheap, tawdry and hard.

Sex, and every perversion of it, are on open display everywhere, readily available...

And yet we're all having less of it, and what we do have, is less and less satisfactory and fulfilling.

Yep! I agree 100%. One can only imagine what will happen to our society when the sexbots come online. (No pun intended).