8% - 10% consistently . . . CONSISTENTLY

[seeker1]

Give me a break.

Pay a visit to the official website and read all the blogs there. The HQ staff are working very hard on their end. The last thing a military commander needs during a campaign is dissension in the ranks.

This is not the constitutional society, this is the army which is fighting to establish the constitutional society. It is important to know the difference. This is your mission, if you wish to accept it. If not please leave the battlefield.

What I don't need is your militaristic battlefield bullshit metaphors. I am not in your fascist army of "you better fall in line with authority" and you're a moron to even suggest I leave the fray because I don't march to your wardrum.

The blog is a joke.

Everything accomplished thus far is us going door to door and talking to our friends and neighbors. Garnering only 6% of the vote thus far, the funds donated to the national campaign seem to be wasted.

I stand by my earlier statement. The ads from the national campaign have failed to reach the common man because they fail to connect, period.

I've been supporting Ron Paul for over 25 years and he has been my write in candidate for the last six elections, so don't even think of telling me to leave the fight because I disagree with his campaign staff.

 

[Myerz]

Buy a TV station and get him on it!

 

[jmarinara]

/ bump

Your daily splash of cold water for January 23.

People that don't want to pause and re-evaluate strategy run the risk of missing opportunities to improve results. It's frightening how prevalent this type of attitude is on RPF.

Exactly. All I'm saying here is that whatever we are doing, leads us to a consistent minority of the votes. We have to do something different. We HAVE to win.

The 8-10% means we are winning.

Oh good grief!

I want you take a day. Sit at home. Don't watch TV, don't look out the window. Don't go to work. Just sit at home and think. Think really really hard. Think really really hard about what you just said.

Ron Paul supporters need to realize that this effort, so far, is a wild success.

Again. Think really really hard about what you just said. Maybe take two days off.

Keep believing, and ENJOY your victories...most of all, recognize a good thing when it is happening.

When we have a victory, I will be sure to enjoy it.

The media really hasn't given us the attention our 8-14% deserves.

We were also winning a poll in Alaska quite some time ago. I know Alaska is small, but anyway.

We were denied access to a debate. At the debate the conservative viewers were told "one of these people will get the nomination".

The very day of the New Hampshire primary we were hit by a drudgereport amplified smear and drudgereport is read by a lot of young conservatives who might have otherwise voted for us. I read reports that it was being shouted out on campuses that "Ron Paul is a racist".

Most talk show hosts are distorting reality. If we had more radio talk show hosts talking about the real issues, we would have a lot more support.

Medved has blatantly smeared Paul many times. Hannity... well duh.

The most "conservative" people on the air and on the tube, including Glenn Beck, have marginalized us from the start.

We have to keep trying and stop talking about anything other then victory. It is not Ron Paul's beliefs that have hit a brick wall, it is his lack of media support, and that is something we can continue to fight.

In any case, the better he does the better off we will be, and the more we expose the media for what they are doing. the better off the country, and our democatic process will be.

These are all very excellent points. In fact, that might be the best thing I've read in quite some time on these here forums, especially the part I bolded.


Ok guys, I've given you your spalsh of cold water for the day. Don't get depressed. Don't lose faith, but at the same time recognize the reality of our situation.

Go get 'em!

 

[SeanEdwards]

I don't beleive Paul will win the GOP nomination.

I don't think the 'machine' will allow it.

However, I think there is a very real possibility of running the most succesful third party grassroots election campaign in the history of the U.S. If we can get the grassroots really fired up, we just might be able to spark a real r3volution.

 

[jmarinara]

Greetings folks.

Sorry I couldn't keep my promise to bump this everyday as my internet was down for a few days.

Anyway, I'm back and barring any more problems, I'll keep bumping away.

Remember folks, what we have been doing has not worked well. It's gotten us 8 - 10%, but not much beyond that. We need to refocus our efforts, explore new ideas, think about the problem differently.

The guy above me mentioned that Dr. Paul may just run as a third party candidate. Well he might, and that's fine, I'll vote for him, work for the campaign and do what I can on his behalf as I'm sure many of you would. But why should it have to come to that? Dr. Paul is an old guard Republican. He deserves the Republican nomination. And it will be easier for him to win with the Republican Nomination.

So let's give him the republican nomination.

Some fightin' words to fire you up from my local neo-con Ron Paul hating talk show host, Mark Belling:

"Have you ever seen a candidate raise more money and have it mean so little than Ron Paul? I mean this guy is just going no where! What a pathetic campaign from a pathetic candidate. He has a fortune and has run ads to no end but they just have no effect. When will he realize that this Pat Buchanan wing of the republican party, you know the let's not deal with reality wing that's just detestable, when will they realize that most republicans despise them and just wish they would go away. Ron Paul isn't even a Republican anyway, and to see him and his money fall flat on it's face is just great to watch."

Yeah he's an idiot. I used to really like his show, but he's showing his true colors by supporting Fred Thompson (hows that for irony) and Mitt Romney and despising Dr. Paul. The best thing we can do is give him some words to eat when the primaries come around here in Wisconsin late February. I intend to do everything I can to see that happen, but a few states in Ron Paul's victory column would be mighty helpful.

Let's make Belling eat his words. Let's make an impact. IT CAN HAPPEN. IT MUST HAPPEN, but it's not happening yet.

I'll see you tomorrow.

 

[libertythor]

bump

 

[crink]

this is a battle. This is war. WAR!!!!!

THIS IS SPARTA!!!

 

[sgrooms]

bump

 

[freedom-maniac]

Bump for...oh I don't know what.

 

[Carl Corey]

Focus on congress and other political positions, Ron Paul is just paving the way.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I think freedom IS popular, but the Paul freedom message has not gotten out to enough average people so that we can find out whether it is popular or not. That said, the grassroots has been preoccupied with online polls, websites where we talk to each other endlessly, and cable political debates/news shows that regular, non-political people don't bother with. This creates a desire for the quick high to satiate all our insular networking. We want Paul to just walk in the room and immediately solve the 'primary case' like Holmes, when the Paul strategy is more geared towards a Lt. Columbo 'last scene' finish. This is a slow, 'teach the population why they need Paul' sell, and that takes time.

In the 'tortoise beats the hare,' rope-a-dope , 'wait 'til the right moment to hit the nitrous oxide switch' type campaign that HQ is running, 'winning' is not really needed until the second half of the game (after Super Tuesday). Placing high here and there (say NV and LA), and otherwise hanging in there is all that's needed through February 5--and Paul has done that. FWIW, last September the HQ trainer who was doing the one day workshops for the grassroots was ALREADY using the 'turtle' metaphor to describe the plan the campaign was up to. Be patient, this is a war of attrition through the convention, not a sprint to the cheap thrill of winning an early battle.

 

[nodope0695]

Im sorry, but most of us are not in the army and we don't respond well to pessimism and put me downs. Do not become a motivational speaker! Tough love is not something that works well with most of the people on the board, its early and there have not been too many victories, give it a rest and do your thing to support RP, but as you should know, dreamers need dreams to do things, so by crushing their dreams, you only make it that much harder for them to fight the fight. I'm not saying what is realistic or what is not, but all I'm saying is try to motivate people, not put them down.

+1

 

[jmarinara]

Good day fellow patriots. Your splash of water for January 27 comes to us with an announcement of leadership changes in the Ron Paul campaign. This good news.

Focus on congress and other political positions, Ron Paul is just paving the way.

No. Ron Paul is running for president. The fact that he MIGHT be paving the way for something that COULD happen in the future is just a nice side benefit.

This is exactly what I mean here. We are losing focus and choosing to concentrate on an unknown future we dream up in our heads. Deal with reality. Ron Paul isn't winning anything yet. That can change.

I think freedom IS popular, but the Paul freedom message has not gotten out to enough average people so that we can find out whether it is popular or not.

Think about what you just said.

In the 'tortoise beats the hare,' rope-a-dope , 'wait 'til the right moment to hit the nitrous oxide switch' type campaign that HQ is running, 'winning' is not really needed until the second half of the game (after Super Tuesday).

Oh please. If we come away after Super Tuesday with no states won, this campaign is over. Unless of course Paul wants to make himself look foolish and start a third party campaign after saying he had no intention on doing so. Even then, a third party campaign has a low likelihood of winning.

Placing high here and there (say NV and LA), and otherwise hanging in there is all that's needed through February 5--and Paul has done that.

No. If Romney or McCain come out of Super Tuesday with 15 states won or something like that, we, and every other Republican in the race, are finished.

FWIW, last September the HQ trainer who was doing the one day workshops for the grassroots was ALREADY using the 'turtle' metaphor to describe the plan the campaign was up to. Be patient, this is a war of attrition through the convention, not a sprint to the cheap thrill of winning an early battle.

Thank God Ron Paul is starting to make leadership changes. Thank God. If this was their mentality in September, they were foolish indeed. This campaign will be won on Super Tuesday. It HAD the potential of being won before then, but is still open through Super Tuesday.

Think about it. If we go to the convention with ZERO wins. What chance do we have at the nomination?

Im sorry, but most of us are not in the army and we don't respond well to pessimism and put me downs. Do not become a motivational speaker! Tough love is not something that works well with most of the people on the board, its early and there have not been too many victories, give it a rest and do your thing to support RP, but as you should know, dreamers need dreams to do things, so by crushing their dreams, you only make it that much harder for them to fight the fight. I'm not saying what is realistic or what is not, but all I'm saying is try to motivate people, not put them down.

+1

And my response to you is the same as my response to r3volution1776:

I am trying to motivate people. As a fellow dreamer, let me respond by saying that dreamers would be better served getting their heads out of the clouds and responding to the world around them. We can't live in a dreamworld of what might happen or what could happen. We have to deal with what is happening. Ron Paul is losing. He is gaining 8 - 10% of the vote. Find a way to turn this around.

You want a dream? Here you go: We CAN win. Yes we CAN. But only if we deal with the facts, change our tactics, and overcome our obstacles. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

See you all tomorrow!

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I stand behind what I said. If the media is blacking out a message, it is unreasonable to judge the success of a message few have been exposed to. That's the same factor involved with the tortoise strategy---we won't know if it's successful until the end of the race. No one said Paul should go to the con with zero wins, the concept is he gets some wins on the backend, during the second half of the primaries. It was the superior plan, because it factored in winning DESPITE a media blackout, a crowded field preventing a breakout frontrunner, candidates running out of cash, etc.

Wins are less important than delegate pickups at this point. The 'frontend' theory the other candidates have pursued (to try to slingshot their way to a bunch of Super Tuesday wins) has so far failed, with no real breakaway winner likely to be coming out of Super Tuesday (the big three should split the delegate pie, and not be on a path to winning the nomination before the con).

 

[jmarinara]

/bump

Your splash of cold water for the day. I might just send a link of this to the good doctor himself.

Wins are less important than delegate pickups at this point. The 'frontend' theory the other candidates have pursued (to try to slingshot their way to a bunch of Super Tuesday wins) has so far failed, with no real breakaway winner likely to be coming out of Super Tuesday (the big three should split the delegate pie, and not be on a path to winning the nomination before the con).

It seems that the good doctor has endorsed this point of view: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/01/message-from--2.html

Which of course validates your earlier comment about how the campaign has been believing this from the beginning.

*sigh* Ok, let me try and spell it out for all of you, including this hotshot team that Ron has put together. Here goes. . . this strategy is just fine, IF YOU ACTUALLY WIN DELEGATES!!!! Ron Paul has 6, count them, 6 confirmed delegates at this point. That's right folks, 6.

This race, right now, is down to two people. Romney and McCain. (unless of course we climb back in it) Do you really think those guys can't take the necessary amount of delegates and win this thing? Of course they can.

And really guys, (regarding Ron's note linked above) do you think that a delegate pledged to a socialist like Huckabee is really going to vote for our guy?

And let's say he does. I dunno, maybe he will. Maybe Ron knows the situation better than I do. (Which is quite likely). How many open delegates are really going to vote for a guy that scores 8 - 10% consistently? The GOP base would be furious about nominating an "unelectable" guy, half of which have been told by Hannitty is a buffoon!

Look, guys, the people go to the polls for a reason. They vote for a reason. It's not meaningless. Those votes decide delegates. They decide how big of the pie you get in some states, or if you get any pie at all in other states. Instead of pinning our futures on the hopes and dreams, and the particular mood of a delegate pledged to another candidate, let's just win a damn election already.

If Ron wins some states, then lets talk about brokered elections. But until then, it's rather ridiculous to think that the GOP is going to even offer him a place at the table to broker. And frankly, with zero wins and few delegates pledged to him, I wouldn't blame them if they didn't.

So bottom line, go win something already. Don't pin your hopes on what COULD happen. Make it happen, it's the only sure way.

I'll see you tomorrow.

 

[jmarinara]

/bump

Another day and a whopping three percent in Florida. Yep, 3%.

Ok, anyone concerned yet? No? Well then take a good look at this http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#R

Yes folks, that snake in the grass and thorn in conservatisim's side John Freakin' McCain is winning the race!!!! John McCain. Sure, freedom is popular. Right.

On the bright side, I want to endorse and encourage http://www.ronpaulnewspaper.com/ for showing a lot of creativity in trying to solve a real problem for Dr. Paul. Seriously, this is an awesome idea if it can be pulled off. I plan to e-mail those folks as soon as I'm done here to find out what I can do to help out.

This is good stuff guys, and a great example of what I've been saying since I started this thread. What we are doing isn't working. We're losing. The media hates us. Freedom isn't popular, but it should be! We need to find a way to get around the problems and put our ideas to everyday folk. Learn from this example folks. Use your talents and skills for more than You Tube videos and blogs. Keep working, keep trying.

Right now it's all we got.

See you tomorrow.

 

[jmarinara]

/bump

Bad day today (for me personally, not for the campaign) so I don't feel like writing.

 

[jmarinara]

Ok technically I missed Thursday. But it's 12:30 in the morning friday, and I'll write later tonight to make up for it. Considering we're dealing with a huge blizzard here in WI. . . again, and my car is stuck in a ditch. . . . again, I think you guys can cut me some slack.

ok, on that note . . .
/bump

 

[Xenophage]

Consistent 8 to 10% is a victory dude. If you think otherwise, you haven't been involved with the libertarian movement very long. Its been a consistent 0.5% for decades.

 

[jmarinara]

/bump Your splash of cold water for the day.

Consistent 8 to 10% is a victory dude. If you think otherwise, you haven't been involved with the libertarian movement very long. Its been a consistent 0.5% for decades.

Think about what you just said.

I mean honestly folks, I'm getting real tired of this line of thinking. If the guy who wins wins scores, say, 35% of the vote, and we score 34% we still lost the election.

So what if "libertarians" have been scoring .5% forever and a day. I'm not a libertarian nor is Ron Paul running on the libertarian ticket. No, I'm and American and Ron Paul is trying to win the REPUBLICAN ticket. and 8-10% isn't going to win a single thing.

But, never mind me. I'm just a pessimist and an idiot or whatever. No no, go ahead, keep deluding yourself into believing that we're actually winning something here.