8% - 10% consistently . . . CONSISTENTLY

[jmarinara]

I plan to bump this thread every single day until we win a state. I'm serious.

We must deal with the fact that Ron Paul is not winning. We can't be starry eyed optimists, we can't look to the future. We have to look to now. NOW. Look at the results. Look at the anti-paul backlash. Look at our wretched country.

The results. They are all that matter. Our moneybombs mean nothing. Our internet presence means nothing. Our volunteer enthusiasm means nothing. Votes mean everything, delegates mean more.

WE MUST BEGIN TO WIN.

Lives, fortunes, sacred honor. Put it on the line people and put your baseless optimism away. Deal with the facts. The facts are your friends. The facts tell you all you need to know. What could happen tells you nothing, what is happening is all that matters.

Deal with the facts. Let it motivate you. Let it make you mad. Let it educate you or make you get educated. Let it drive you. Deal with the facts.

Freedom isn't popular. It should be. Make it popular.

Bottomline: we are only getting 8% - 10%, sometimes less, rarely more. We have to do better.

You will hear from me with this same splash of cold water every single day until we win a state, then I will have more splashes of cold water until Ron Paul puts his hand on a Bible and swears to uphold the constitution on January 20, 2009.


8% - 10% consistently CONSISTENTLY We must do better.


P.S.

2 things:

1. If you are tired of hearing from me then make sure Ron Paul wins a state. Don't be mad, be motivated.

2. Don't ask me what I'm doing to help. You are reading what I'm doing. My friends are voting for Ron Paul. My family is listening to me about him, so are my neighbors and co-workers. I'll keep talking until I'm shut up. I've donated all I can, don't qualify to be a delegate and have plenty of slim jims to pass out. I'm doing this because it's the only way I can think of to contribute.

 

[BigRedBrent]

I am in almost complete agreement. Your typical pessimist will do absolutely nothing. But the moment that pessimist does anything about the cause of his pessimism he then becomes more useful then those who are optimistic but doing less then the pessimist.

The pessimist who fights to get an optimistic result is really an optimists. But only if he does not negatively affect what he is optimistic about.

Well all I am trying to say is that being realistic is always best as long as it is to the benefit of the goal.

We need to look into every kind of option that we can think of, we need to get desperate and should never have not been desperate. We have a very large and very difficult battle to fight and we need to understand that failure must NOT be an option.

 

[mczerone]

2. Don't ask me what I'm doing to help. You are reading what I'm doing. My friends are voting for Ron Paul. My family is listening to me about him, so are my neighbors and co-workers. I'll keep talking until I'm shut up. I've donated all I can, don't qualify to be a delegate and have plenty of slim jims to pass out. I'm doing this because it's the only way I can think of to contribute.

Then I can assume that you have signed up to be a precinct leader also...

Its great that everyone you know is going to vote for Paul, but we need more votes than any One person knows. you Need to talk to your entire neighborhood, and even county, if you have the time. I pledged my time as much as I could before my primary, and I'm encouraging all others to get outside and do the same!

 

[r3volution1776]

Im sorry, but most of us are not in the army and we don't respond well to pessimism and put me downs. Do not become a motivational speaker! Tough love is not something that works well with most of the people on the board, its early and there have not been too many victories, give it a rest and do your thing to support RP, but as you should know, dreamers need dreams to do things, so by crushing their dreams, you only make it that much harder for them to fight the fight. I'm not saying what is realistic or what is not, but all I'm saying is try to motivate people, not put them down.

 

[BigRedBrent]

Im sorry, but most of us are not in the army and we don't respond well to pessimism and put me downs. Do not become a motivational speaker! Tough love is not something that works well with most of the people on the board, its early and there have not been too many victories, give it a rest and do your thing to support RP, but as you should know, dreamers need dreams to do things, so by crushing their dreams, you only make it that much harder for them to fight the fight. I'm not saying what is realistic or what is not, but all I'm saying is try to motivate people, not put them down.

When people are doing something productive then motivation and praise is warranted.

However I do think people need to realistically understand that this is a battle. This is war. WAR!!!!!


We must understand that we must win as if our lives depended on it, because it is likely that they do depend on it. Those who do not understand this would be more useful to us if they did.

If something is not working then we should look into other things that will. We need to put our minds and our hearts together, and come to the conclusion that we will fail if we don't do everything in our power to ensure our victory.

 

[r3volution1776]

When people are doing something productive then motivation and praise is warranted.

However I do think people need to realistically understand that this is a battle. This is war. WAR!!!!!


We must understand that we must win as if our lives depended on it, because it is likely that they do depend on it. Those who do not understand this would be more useful to us if they did.

If something is not working then we should look into other things that will. We need to put our minds and our hearts together, and come to the conclusion that we will fail if we don't do everything in our power to ensure our victory.

BigRedBrent, Your statement is a lot more motivational than, "Money bombs don't matter, Ron Paul is Losing, etc." The whole point is to be motivational in tone, not pessimistic, as the OP was. I agree we need to correct the wrongs and things like that, but for those who are putting in a lot of effort, you don't say "We are losing!" you say, "Hey great effort guys, we managed to get 10% of the vote, which is so far ahead of where we were in the beginnig. We can do more though, freedom is catching on. Lets continue to canvass and create conversations with people, but lets also not forget that we could be doing (fill in the blank) to help even more."

 

[ddoggphx]

When we are older, will we change the world? Or will we be status quo voters?

Will we last that long?

How much do we care?

Or will we be saviours of ourselves, our children and our children's children?

Save Lives
Save Money
Save the Republic

www.RonPaul2008.com​

 

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

We've gone from 1% IN THE POLLS TO "8-10%", seems to me we may be hitting critical mass.

 

[seeker1]

I wanted to point out the same thing. We are his votes. The 6-10% are the grassroots.

So let me ask you...what is the national campaign doing to get votes?

The ads suck, the press coverage sucks the only good stuff coming out is from us.

I'm pretty sick of it.

 

[virgil47]

The national campaign should be focusing on getting the vote of the older americans. It does not appear that they are doing this. By the way complacency has lost as many if not more battles than negativity. We need to win in order to show the voting public that we are a serious about Ron Paul becoming president. Yes the money is important but if it is not used effectively it by itself is meaningless. Let's quit spinning our wheels and start thinking of ways to engage more of the public in our cause.

 

[stevedasbach]

How exactly will bumping this thread up every day until we win a state cause us to win a state?

The money bombs, etc. got us to 8-10% instead of Duncan Hunter's 1%. It's not enough, but it's not something to put down either.

IMO, in order to progress further, Ron has to be on TV regularly. That means MSM coverage or TV ads, preferably both. We can supply the money for the TV ads, but the campaign has to produce the ads and buy the time, and the campaign has to find ways to make news. The stock market and other economic woes provides an opening -- the campaign has to find a way to take advantage of it.

We've seen that canvassing and a strong GOTV effort can double our vote compared to polls. However, the national polls have us at 4% and state polls in upcoming contests are in the 4-6% range. Even doubling that with an outstanding canvassing and GOTV effort won't be enough. We have to build enough support to get Ron into double digits, and an expanded TV presence is the only thing that will reach enough people to significantly move the numbers.

 

[Jeremiah]

Go to the official website

I wanted to point out the same thing. We are his votes. The 6-10% are the grassroots.

So let me ask you...what is the national campaign doing to get votes?

The ads suck, the press coverage sucks the only good stuff coming out is from us.

I'm pretty sick of it.

Pay a visit to the official website and read all the blogs there. The HQ staff are working very hard on their end. The last thing a military commander needs during a campaign is dissension in the ranks.

This is not the constitutional society, this is the army which is fighting to establish the constitutional society. It is important to know the difference. This is your mission, if you wish to accept it. If not please leave the battlefield.

 

[jmarinara]

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Your splash of cold water for January 22:

dreamers need dreams to do things, so by crushing their dreams, you only make it that much harder for them to fight the fight. I'm not saying what is realistic or what is not, but all I'm saying is try to motivate people, not put them down.

I am trying to motivate people. As a fellow dreamer, let me respond by saying that dreamers would be better served getting their heads out of the clouds and responding to the world around them. We can't live in a dreamworld of what might happen or what could happen. We have to deal with what is happening. Ron Paul is losing. He is gaining 8 - 10% of the vote. Find a way to turn this around.

You want a dream? Here you go: We CAN win. Yes we CAN. But only if we deal with the facts, change our tactics, and overcome our obstacles. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

but for those who are putting in a lot of effort, you don't say "We are losing!" you say, "Hey great effort guys, we managed to get 10% of the vote, which is so far ahead of where we were in the beginnig. We can do more though, freedom is catching on. Lets continue to canvass and create conversations with people, but lets also not forget that we could be doing (fill in the blank) to help even more."

Ok, I'll try it your way, but with the truth. I'm not being sarcastic here either, I really do mean what I'm about to type. (I'll put my own words in bold).

"Hey great effort guys, we managed to get 10% of the vote, which is so far ahead of where we were in the beginning. We MUST do more though, because freedom is not catching on. It is not popular. We need to examine this entire revolution and find out what we can do better, how we can actually win an election, including our efforts to canvass and create conversations with people. We all want to win, and for our children, we must win. Your all great people, lets not give up now. Lets fight on, but fight differently because I think we need a new approach."

Ok?

We've gone from 1% IN THE POLLS TO "8-10%", seems to me we may be hitting critical mass.

No no no. If 10% was critical mass, then we would have continued to make gains past the 10% and 4 delegates we got in Iowa. Instead we went down from there. 8% and no delegates in New Hampshire, 6% and no delegates in Michigan, 4% and no delegates in South Carolina, and of course we stopped the down trend in Nevada thank God.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, this blind baseless optimism "we're hitting a tipping point, critical mass" and all that. We went from 10% to 4% and are way behind in delegates. We must do better while we still have a chance to win this thing. Enough of this!!!! Deal with the facts!!!!

So let me ask you...what is the national campaign doing to get votes?

The ads suck, the press coverage sucks the only good stuff coming out is from us.

I'm pretty sick of it.

I'm sick of it too. We can't change the national campaign nor can they change us. It's good that you recognize part of the problem. But also don't waste time trying to change people you simply can't change. Improvise, adapt, and overcome even if it's the national campaign.

How exactly will bumping this thread up every day until we win a state cause us to win a state?

It will remind you of the facts. If you get sick of it, make sure Ron wins a state and I'll stop. If we get late in the race, I may wait until we win more than one to stop, but for now I'll stick to one.

The money bombs, etc. got us to 8-10% instead of Duncan Hunter's 1%. It's not enough, but it's not something to put down either.

It hasn't gotten us anymore than 8 - 10%. It's not enough, and it's not working.

the campaign has to produce the ads and buy the time, and the campaign has to find ways to make news. The stock market and other economic woes provides an opening -- the campaign has to find a way to take advantage of it.

You can't change the campaign and they can't change us. Improvise, adapt, and overcome even with the national campaign. Stop expecting others to change because you can't control others.

We've seen that canvassing and a strong GOTV effort can double our vote compared to polls. However, the national polls have us at 4% and state polls in upcoming contests are in the 4-6% range. Even doubling that with an outstanding canvassing and GOTV effort won't be enough. We have to build enough support to get Ron into double digits, and an expanded TV presence is the only thing that will reach enough people to significantly move the numbers.

Good analysis. Excellent even. Now, how do you think we can build an expanded TV presence? Bear in mind that what we have already been doing to our fullest hasn't been working. Time for new fresh ideas.


See you all tomorrow.

 

[RonRules]

Tone down the RevolUTION stuff, shave your scruffy beards, untangle your dreadlocks, put down your bongs and go canvass OLD people.

In every state so far the 50+ has dominated the vote. (45% over 60 in Nevada)

It's OLD PEOPLE stupid !

 

[phree]

Congratulations jmarinara for a great thread.

People that don't want to pause and re-evaluate strategy run the risk of missing opportunities to improve results. It's frightening how prevalent this type of attitude is on RPF.

 

[John P Slevin]

we are winning

You need to see that we ARE winning...the Ron Paul votes gathered so far is a SUCCESS!

The 8-10% means we are winning.

It's not about one election. It's about making sure all elections feature voters better informed, throwing out all rascals, etc.

American voters typically get all charged up about one election, every four years.

Most voters are too ignorant or just plain lazy to care about who holds all the other offices in the land. The power, most of it, resides outside the White House.

Ignorant and apathetic voters is a sad fact of political life. Ron Paul supporters need to realize that this effort, so far, is a wild success.

It's long overdue, if you've been in the trenches for a few decades, as many have been.

You need to get your cues OUTSIDE this forum, talk to some people who have been there, who never got near 5% of the vote!

It would be nice if Ron Paul got the GOP nomination, but it wouldn't be a cure all.

The cure comes from the fight, the ultimate success of the fight is what is important.

Keep believing, and ENJOY your victories...most of all, recognize a good thing when it is happening.

 

[evandi]

The media really hasn't given us the attention our 8-14% deserves.

We were also winning a poll in Alaska quite some time ago. I know Alaska is small, but anyway.

We were denied access to a debate. At the debate the conservative viewers were told "one of these people will get the nomination".

The very day of the New Hampshire primary we were hit by a drudgereport amplified smear and drudgereport is read by a lot of young conservatives who might have otherwise voted for us. I read reports that it was being shouted out on campuses that "Ron Paul is a racist".

Most talk show hosts are distorting reality. If we had more radio talk show hosts talking about the real issues, we would have a lot more support.

Medved has blatantly smeared Paul many times. Hannity... well duh.

The most "conservative" people on the air and on the tube, including Glenn Beck, have marginalized us from the start.

We have to keep trying and stop talking about anything other then victory. It is not Ron Paul's beliefs that have hit a brick wall, it is his lack of media support, and that is something we can continue to fight.

In any case, the better he does the better off we will be, and the more we expose the media for what they are doing. the better off the country, and our democatic process will be.

 

[Ben Elliott]

What if we had a money bomb for all the meet-ups in different states, so the supporters have the opportunity of reaching millions in each state.

Just a suggestion.

 

[jmunjr]

Sorry folks this is not the post 1970s Little League where everybody wins and mediocrity is rewarded. Then again, many of the RP supporters around here are from the generation where mediocrity has been "ok" while growing up. Perhaps that is why there has been such a negative reaction to the "pessimism"..

But in your defense, if you are one of those who never really experienced failure(despite failing all the time), you are probably voting Democrat anyway...

 

[tpreitzel]

Tone down the RevolUTION stuff, shave your scruffy beards, untangle your dreadlocks, put down your bongs and go canvass OLD people.

In every state so far the 50+ has dominated the vote. (45% over 60 in Nevada)

It's OLD PEOPLE stupid !

Yes, indeed!