But yet you see something wrong with these people working here as citizens of the United States. That makes a lot of sense.
77% of Latino voters favor tax hikes= Rand's amnesty plan
But yet you see something wrong with these people working here as citizens of the United States. That makes a lot of sense.
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No I just don't believe in knocking down doors and deporting people for nonviolent crimes. It's like smoking weed.
They're not bothering anyone by doing so, but they don't deserve a reward either especially when it involves signing them up for the Democrat voting roles so the Democrats can steal more stuff.
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It makes sense to me. Engaging in commerce with other people is the right of the parties involved. The government has no business interfering in that. But voting is another story.
Are you in favor of making all immigration legal? If so, wouldn't that sign up millions of hispanics to the Democrat voter roles?
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No we can't go that far, but I don't favor a particularly vigorous enforcement (which btw is the current system as is.) As long as people aren't committing felony level crimes, we essentially do nothing.
I'll just say that I like Rand's position on immigration a lot better than yours.
If we had a more lax immigration policy they would likely already be citizens. I don't get the criticizing of Rand's plan when he hasn't designed one yet, all you have are generalities (which can always change). How about waiting to see the actual plan before declaring it's an amnesty plan? Or is that too much to ask for?
I'm not sure why anyone would prefer them to be illegal, it would be like saying you prefer drugs/prostitution etc. to be illegal even though you don't see anything wrong with it. Because? I have no idea.
I'm not sure why anyone would prefer them to be illegal, it would be like saying you prefer drugs/prostitution etc. to be illegal even though you don't see anything wrong with it. Because? I have no idea.
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The problem is Bush tarnished the Republican brand by winning 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004! Maybe it's better to have no immigration reform happen in the next 2 congresses, so it remains an issue and then Rand can run on "fixing immigration" or something like that. Even though the gifts comments Romney made were labeled offensive by most, Hispanic voting patterns might actually show a reception to phony promises more than other demographic groups.
I agree. I hope that they don't even touch the issue in the next four years, and then Rand can run on his immigration plan in 2016.
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Legitimate? Lol. Tell me all about Rand's plan Ms. Gaga.
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Is it correct to deport illegals then? Who is going to pay for it?
I say go ahead with amnesty... even open borders. But we need to end the welfare state.
Maybe if we had open borders, and no welfare state, we would have enough cheap labor to be able to compete with China on manufacturing?
I say go ahead with amnesty... even open borders. But we need to end the welfare state.
Maybe if we had open borders, and no welfare state, we would have enough cheap labor to be able to compete with China on manufacturing?
A majority of whites favor tax increases on just the wealthy. Only rich people and libertarians suppose class-based tax hikes. I don't view it as a race thing.
The mods are already way to ban happy here, it can hurt consistent liberty supporters to have Hitler going through the boards and banning active members to Siberia.
DING DING DING, WE HAVE A WINNA!
"Decriminalization" of illegal immigration, in many ways the status quo, is preferable to just making it possible to swell the food stamp roles 80% and registered democrats by 15% or so. Amnesty will create a solid democrat voting block that will last generations. It's the very definition of party suicide.
But what's the difference? Cultural suicide was committed back in the 1960s when we changed our immigration laws to allow an exponential eligibility to come here merely on family relation. In Canada, you actually have to have money, degrees...you know, stuff that helps the country. In America, we merely have a race to the bottom so people can pay less for auto repair, roofing, and house cleaning. BS.
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im still mad at the "fees"... all i know is that asians voted against the sales tax increase in california. all my relatives and asian friends voted against it.
Yet Asians will overwhelmingly vote Democrat for some reason.
My wife was an Obama supporter until we watched For Liberty together. It was the first time she heard a politician that didn't come across like complete scum, which is typical of politicians worldwide apparently.
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Right. Rand should embrace abortion and gay marriage because that's how to win over conservative republicans.
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Yes, how it is it going to be done logistically and who is going to pay for it? And how are the feds going to go about rounding up and identifying all these millions of people to deport? I don't think people are thinking this one through, from a civil liberties perspective. Like with the TSA, they are not going to be allowed to profile, so whatever spying and police state measures they implement to track and catch illegals, will likely apply to everyone equally. I'm not jazzed about that possibility.
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