7-yr-old girl killed at MI soccer practice after ‘paranoid’ man with CCW license opens fire

VIDEODROME said:
According to the 2nd Amendment, the people are the Militia, but maybe they should be more 'well regulated' or held to a higher standard beyond just a criminal background check.

They should put in regular range time for one thing. If they are observed as acting disturbed at the range, they shouldn't be armed.

I also think it's a problem if someone buys a snubnose pistol for defense and just leaves it in a drawer or glove box without training with it. They will not be competent with it or respect the deadly power of the weapon they bought. Or as I think recently happened again, a child found the gun in the car and shot themselves.
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"Regulate" had a slightly different meaning in the 18th-century. It meant to 'make regular', not necessarily what it means today, which is red-tape and hoops to jump through. The interstate commerce clause, for example: "regulate commerce between the states" meant that the federal government was supposed to make commerce between states simpler, but today people think it means broad-sweeping laws and restrictions of some kind which actually make commerce a pain in the ass to attempt. In fact, sometimes people take it to mean the feds can justify laws that have practically nothing to do with commerce at all (I believe they tried that justification when passing Obamacare, even though you can't even buy insurance across state lines so the 'interstate commerce' clause should never have been invoked).

You make some good points though. We really don't have a well-regulated militia today, but I'm not referring to background checks.

A true well-regulated militia would have weekend training just as towns did across the colonies in the 18th-century. There would be some sort of common ammunition size at least at the local level. As it is, if we actually had to use our militia for 'military' purposes we'd be in a mess due to logistical reasons, lol. The militia should be 'made regular', but I would not say regulated in the sense that we use the word today.

Agree 100% that anyone who owns a gun should practice with it regularly. I just don't want to leave it up to government as the entity you have to prove competence to. I could easily see gun-banners eventually doing something like requiring you to shoot a glass bottle off of a fence post at 500 yards with a handgun, open-sights. —Oh, can't do it? No permit for you. :(

These are the same people who tried to indirectly ban firearms by going after ammunition, so they know how to enact gun bans without actually banning the guns themselves.
 
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What I love about this issue is that the Marxists that are always going to end up on the losing side, because when push comes to shove, it is very difficult for non-gun owners to take away guns from the unwilling. I will stand toe to toe with the AngryCanadians of the world and we will see who will win the struggle for my property. This is why Marxists want Democracy instead of a Republic. They wish to vote in a violation of my civil rights.
 
OP seems to think I should lose my natural right because somebody else misused/abused their right. I didn't do anything wrong, I don't see why I should be punished.
 
VIDEODROME said:
Any such person using a gun instead of a knife would probably achieve far more fatalities during an attack.

I guess I disagree with the argument trying to equate firearms, especially handguns, with something like a knife or even a car. Even in that car ramming attack, it sounds like only one person was killed and one injured.
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And if someone at the party was armed, perhaps that knife attack wouldn't have been so deadly?

What is the average response time of the police and how many people do they murder every year?

Really this issue is one of the simplest to understand. People have a right to defend themselves. Government can only 'protect' everyone if it is a leviathan police state. The police are wholly incompetent, rights violationg, welfare whores. I mean, what part of that are you getting lost at?

Do you expect a five foot tall woman go hand to hand with a six foot four tall man recently released from a penitentiary regimen of many years of body building? Do you expect said woman to engage in a knife fight until the police arrive to save her?
 
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More people are killed by cars every year.
I suppose somebody is going to say we need a better standard to be met for people who want to possess deadly weapons such as an automobile.
 
AngryCanadian said:
Can you name a few stories or articles from Japan or Europe going into a Frenzy with a Sword killing a few people?
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/

Knife-wielding attackers kill 29, injure 130 at China train station

Lu Haiyan said the slaughter began while she and a friend were standing in the ticket hall of a Chinese train station.

"Suddenly, many people started running around crazily," she said on Tencent Weibo, a Chinese equivalent of Twitter. "We saw two people carrying big cleavers hacking whoever is in the way. They almost got to my back. Then I lost contact with (my friend) and I saw blood splashing in front of me."

Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.
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RJB said:
I've always thought they should make knives with a 10 stab limit. I mean I can't see any reason why someone would need to use a knife more than 10 times.
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Argh... I would get tired of biting my steak and ripping it apart.
 
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