5 states will have 'social media privacy law' or 'facebook password law'

[Tpoints]

What does where I was born have to do with it?

You asked when the free market ended in the US.

I have been told numerous times, as an advocate of tariffs, that the imposition of same results in an "unfree" market.

Thus, since tariffs have been around since day one, there has never been a "free market" in the US.

You're an advocate of unfree markets?

 

[Anti Federalist]

You're an advocate of unfree markets?

So I've been told.

I'm an advocate of "natural" or individual rights above all else.

If it infringes on the rights of an individual regardless of who's doing it, I'm against it.

 

[tttppp]

Agreed, so basically what you're saying is- if agreed in advance, everything goes, if not, nothing does...right?

Exactly. Whatever you agree to sticks unless you get the other party's permission, or else you get sued.

 

[Tpoints]

So I've been told.

I'm an advocate of "natural" or individual rights above all else.

If it infringes on the rights of an individual regardless of who's doing it, I'm against it.

so you got me confused. How do you advocate for natural and individual rights, but at the same time advocate for tariffs, and unfree markets??

 

[tttppp]

So, there are no "natural" rights then.

We all have to work and engage in commerce, so, surveillance and lack of privacy and forced medical treatments, here we come.

Good luck selling polite slavery.

So I dont have the right to engage in commerce? If I ask for permission to view a candidates facebook page to increase the chance of hiring him, thats out of bounds?

 

[Tpoints]

So I dont have the right to engage in commerce? If I ask for permission to view a candidates facebook page to increase the chance of hiring him, thats out of bounds?

LOL, can't wait to see what he says.

 

[bolil]

So I dont have the right to engage in commerce? If I ask for permission to view a candidates facebook page to increase the chance of hiring him, thats out of bounds?

Anyone with a facebook account can view a "candidates" page. What you mean is "If I ask for permission to access..." Then sure you do, but I hope any decent candidates find another place to work. What about requiring access to a candidates home? That is within the logical progression.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So I dont have the right to engage in commerce? If I ask for permission to view a candidates facebook page to increase the chance of hiring him, thats out of bounds?

Sure you do.

So do I.

Commerce and employment does not require you snooping around in my private affairs.

 

[jmdrake]

Sure you do.

So do I.

Commerce and employment does not require you snooping around in my private affairs.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

Next we'll here the "If employers aren't allowed to demand sexual favors from employees they don't have a right to commerce."

 

[Anti Federalist]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

Next we'll here the "If employers aren't allowed to demand sexual favors from employees they don't have a right to commerce."

No kidding...or your first born son, or the "right" to prima noctis or what have you.

This is just silly at this point, commerce is not going to collapse and the market is not going to turn into a Marxist nightmare because some HR snoop cannot root around in my online accounts whenever they feel like it.

 

[Tpoints]

Anyone with a facebook account can view a "candidates" page. What you mean is "If I ask for permission to access..." Then sure you do, but I hope any decent candidates find another place to work. What about requiring access to a candidates home? That is within the logical progression.

yes, definitely logically possible. But at least you know, take it or leave it.

 

[Tpoints]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

Next we'll here the "If employers aren't allowed to demand sexual favors from employees they don't have a right to commerce."

yes, exactly. Why shouldn't employers be allowed to demand sexual favors ? What can they "threaten" them with? If your employer has something that belongs to you, that's not their bargaining chip, but if what they have is "their property", why can't they use it "against you"?

 

[tttppp]

Sure you do.

So do I.

Commerce and employment does not require you snooping around in my private affairs.

Then all you would have to say is NO. But in this situation its your loss. Plus, what if I wanted to use it to your advantage and help place you with the right team? Do we need regulation to stop that?

 

[tttppp]

Anyone with a facebook account can view a "candidates" page. What you mean is "If I ask for permission to access..." Then sure you do, but I hope any decent candidates find another place to work. What about requiring access to a candidates home? That is within the logical progression.

Thats not really out of bounds unless you are demanding passwords. Employers ask all the time about your hobbies, why is finding your interests on facebook a bad thing?

 

[bolil]

Thats not really out of bounds unless you are demanding passwords. Employers ask all the time about your hobbies, why is finding your interests on facebook a bad thing?

Isn't this about the demanding of passwords? Check out our other discussion, you may be pleased.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Thats not really out of bounds unless you are demanding passwords. Employers ask all the time about your hobbies, why is finding your interests on facebook a bad thing?

Nothing wrong with that, if it's publicly displayed, and meant for people to look at, then of course there is no issue.

My issue is with the demanding of passwords or access to private account numbers, or even more outrageous invasions into a person's private life.

Don't tell me it can't happen and don't tell me it can't happen to the point where every outfit is doing "it", because that is just what's happening in my business and getting worse every day.

 

[Kregisen]

A lot of people on these forums are not libertarians at all, except for on issues they benefit from....just like liberal republicans, who want small government only when it is a convenience to them.

An employer should be able to request access to your profile. This is no different than any other cost, such as a reduction in salary or benefits. When you look at a job, you compare costs and benefits ($50k salary, signing bonus, good experience, good location, vs. costs of long commute, lots of hours worked, have to share my facebook profile, etc)

Anybody here saying the government should be allowed to ban employers from asking for this information is no different than someone trying to get the government to implement minimum wage laws....and if anyone has taken economics they know how much minimum wage laws hurt, especially the poor. Go read Walter Williams. Ridiculous argument.

 

[Antischism]

So we should just allow employers to keep demanding more and more ridiculous, privacy-invading measures? Should we allow it to keep happening to the point where all businesses are doing it, and in order to gain employment, you HAVE to give up your privacy? No sane person is going to say "no" and resort to homelessness or starvation; everyone needs to fucking eat. No one is going to start robbing banks because they would rather not face prison.

Those looking for employment will bite the bullet and give up their privacy for the almighty dollar. Once people start giving up their privacy to employers, others will follow and a growing number of people looking for work will just accept it and give in. A lot of people here like to pretend we're living in a pure free market right now. The problem isn't going to self-correct.

This reminds me of the argument where you say something you dislike about the way our country is being run , and some asshat will say, "WELL, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN MOVE." So when all employers start demanding we give up our privacy, what are you going to say? "HEY MAN, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN DON'T WORK. GO DUMPSTER DIVE SOMEWHERE, MARXIST!"

 

[jmdrake]

When minimum wage laws were passed there wasn't a rash of employers demanding access to private data so your argument has no merit. In the future employers may demand brain scans of people. I'm sure you'll be okay with that too. In some states in feudal Asia, some employers would tell their servants "If you consent to letting me test my sword by killing you I'll will take care of your family for the rest of their lives." I guess that's okay too. You know what? This isn't "libertarian central". Everyone isn't required to be a libertarian or think exactly like you. It's times like these that I proudly say I'm not a libertarian.

A lot of people on these forums are not libertarians at all, except for on issues they benefit from....just like liberal republicans, who want small government only when it is a convenience to them.

An employer should be able to request access to your profile. This is no different than any other cost, such as a reduction in salary or benefits. When you look at a job, you compare costs and benefits ($50k salary, signing bonus, good experience, good location, vs. costs of long commute, lots of hours worked, have to share my facebook profile, etc)

Anybody here saying the government should be allowed to ban employers from asking for this information is no different than someone trying to get the government to implement minimum wage laws....and if anyone has taken economics they know how much minimum wage laws hurt, especially the poor. Go read Walter Williams. Ridiculous argument.

 

[tttppp]

Nothing wrong with that, if it's publicly displayed, and meant for people to look at, then of course there is no issue.

My issue is with the demanding of passwords or access to private account numbers, or even more outrageous invasions into a person's private life.

Don't tell me it can't happen and don't tell me it can't happen to the point where every outfit is doing "it", because that is just what's happening in my business and getting worse every day.

I get what you are saying. My point is that if its voluntary, whats the harm. You are really giving a democratsa answer to the problem and being shortsighted. Yes some companies are invading our privacy and not for a good reason. But the solution is free markets, not more regulation. And as I pointed out, I would like the option to look at candidates accounts with their permission to gage their fit in the company. The more we know about them, the less the risk, and that makes it more likely to hire them.