5 Reasons to Abandon Politics

[BetterCallSaul]

The guys from whom I buy weed are doing more every day for freedom than anyone campaigning for anything.

 

[Matt Collins]

In the officially-sanctioned, partisan edifice sense of the word politics, politics does just suck. It is literally a game wherein the players compete to better organize the lowest common-denominators in a given cultural block. How to mobilize the most idiots using the most effective methods of control and suggestion; it necessarily omits the real purposes of the players, because most in the crowd that are activated by the game's many tricks are incapable of understanding any of that at all- they respond to emotional calls to rally around jesus or children or victims or foreigners or war or peace or prison or policemen; it's all just emotional manipulation of deadened, ignorant and unintelligent dupes.

Maybe so, but that's how law is made. And if you want laws to be stopped or made for liberty then you have to mobilize people too, otherwise you lose.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

That isn't true though, because the percent of the population that is composed of total dumbasses always necessarily overwhelms the population that practices critical thought and engages in open discussion and debate. Numerically speaking, it is literally impossible to engage the political process without first conscripting the energy and participation of the most mediocre and gullible of human society.

None of whom are participating for any reasons that they are even capable of understanding.

Which is to say, the next guy who more effectively uses emotional control mechanisms on such people wins their loyalty, regardless of his policy.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

And law is made in corporate board-rooms that cyber-chat with Lobbyists, who then hit PRINT and deliver it to the idiots that represent the ignorant thralls who support them, who then rubber stamp it and tell these thralls whatever can be twisted into an emotional argument that makes them feel validated.

 

[Matt Collins]

That isn't true though, because the percent of the population that is composed of total dumbasses always necessarily overwhelms the population that practices critical thought and engages in open discussion and debate. Numerically speaking, it is literally impossible to engage the political process without first conscripting the energy and participation of the most mediocre and gullible of human society.

Not true, here is why:

And law is made in corporate board-rooms that cyber-chat with Lobbyists, who then hit PRINT and deliver it to the idiots that represent the ignorant thralls who support them, who then rubber stamp it and tell these thralls whatever can be twisted into an emotional argument that makes them feel validated.

Unless there is serious and LOUD opposition (which is our job).

 

[BetterCallSaul]

So you are saying that the ignorant crowds who are necessary for political action can be retained as "your" idiots, IF, your better minds are spending their talent and energy and time on keeping them your idiots, by way of emotionally manipulating their insecurities and ignorance?

Yeah that sounds like a flawless plan for national revival... lol

 

[Matt Collins]

So you are saying that the ignorant crowds who are necessary for political action can be retained as "your" idiots, IF, your better minds are spending their talent and energy and time on keeping them your idiots, by way of emotionally manipulating their insecurities and ignorance?

Yeah that sounds like a flawless plan for national revival... lol

It's not exactly quite that harsh, there are many people out there who care about the same issues that we do, but don't have the time, knowledge, or inclination to organize around an issue. That's our job. Organize people around issues in which we agree, and then activate them to put pressure on the politicians.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Of these people that you have "activated," how many have needed the message dumbed down, or else otherwise altered, or else delivered while omitting more serious or connected agendas?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

the fact that you are admitting that often it is only one issue that organizes people is evidence of what I am talking about, actually. You are saying, in so many words- a lot of people are vulnerable to ideological incursion based on their prejudice about this or that single talking point- our job is to identify those talking points, and then make them identify us as the guys who will fight for it.

as in, dupe idiots to make our crowd look bigger

 

[Matt Collins]

the fact that you are admitting that often it is only one issue that organizes people is evidence of what I am talking about, actually. You are saying, in so many words- a lot of people are vulnerable to ideological incursion based on their prejudice about this or that single talking point- our job is to identify those talking points, and then make them identify us as the guys who will fight for it.

as in, dupe idiots to make our crowd look bigger

You're getting closer.... but a lot of issues do run parallel... people who are against abortion, tend to also be against taxes, and for guns. So once you can identify one issue there is a good chance there will be a lot of crossover.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

But the fact that they have this issue means that they are participating because they have issues and not because they want their neighbor to be free.

and answer my question from the post before that one! It's always such a sickening feeling to me.

 

[Matt Collins]

But the fact that they have this issue means that they are participating because they have issues and not because they want their neighbor to be free.

So? Who cares? If they are against taxes or gun-grabbing, or whatever, and I happen to agree, then their reasons or motives don't matter as much.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

But since they are not animated by an understanding of or yearning for freedom, then any other charlatan will have their support as soon as he upstages you, or employs more effective means of manipulating their psychological issues.

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Of these people that you have "activated," how many have needed the message dumbed down, or else otherwise altered, or else delivered while omitting more serious or connected agendas?