40 DAY WARNING : Sep 2008 Market Crash? PREPARE NOW...

Exact same rhetoric today 80 years aft.

During the Great Depression that lasted from the fall of 1929 to the early years of World War II, qualified mechanics, engineers, and teachers were traveling the nation along with common laborers in a desperate search for work. Any kind of work. They were a familiar sight in Cache Valley. They’d come knocking on doors asking for food in exchange for labor, and residents were mostly good enough – the poorer ones often the more generous – to make a sandwich or fill a bowl with hot stew, whether they had work to be done in exchange or not.

Meanwhile, from the stock market crash of October 1929 to the early months of 1933, another familiar sight were the headlines generated by government leaders, bankers, and economists announcing bracingly that “recovery was just around the corner.”

There were many who believed these experts were right, running up accounts with farm suppliers and corner grocery stores on the strength of an economic upturn they expected would materialize in just a few weeks or after the next growing season.

“There are indications that the severest phase of the depression is over,” said one headline a scant three months after the 1929 Crash. A premature announcement, true. But two years later, in1931, when optimism began to flag even among some economists, the White House was still saying it. “The economy is fundamentally sound,” President Hoover insisted again and again, adding the prediction of an upturn by a given date, and then another date, and then another.

By 1932, the nation’s economy was essentially dead; it just hadn’t slid into rigor mortis yet. Countless stories filled the newspapers and air waves of farm and home foreclosures, proliferating bread lines, soup kitchens. Thousands of desperate industrial workers were staging protest marches for jobs. Mothers were carrying placards demanding milk for their children. People had forgotten what a dollar bill looked like. Never mind, the Hoover White House, the Mellons, the Rockefellers and DuPonts – they all continued to announce that an upturn would magically appear if only people would shuck off their gloom and gain some confidence.
 
Why will the supermarkets run out of food? What will happen to the food supply? Why run out of gas? An oil embargo?

My Son said to me during a trip to Wal-Mart one day, "Dad, they must have a really big warehouse here at Wal-Mart." I replied, "They sure do, You're walking through it right now."

Everything is like that now.
Trucks are the warehouses. If they stop rolling, well, you get the picture.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_In_Time_(business)

Within a JIT system

The major problem with just-in-time operation is that it leaves the supplier and downstream consumers open to supply shocks and large supply or demand changes. For internal reasons, this was seen as a feature rather than a bug by Ohno, who used the analogy of lowering the level of water in a river in order to expose the rocks to explain how removing inventory showed where flow of production was interrupted. Once the barriers were exposed, they could be removed; since one of the main barriers was rework, lowering inventory forced each shop to improve its own quality or cause a holdup in the next downstream area. One of the other key tools to manage this weakness is production levelling to remove these variations. Just-in-time is a means to improving performance of the system, not an end.

With very low stock levels meaning that there are shipments of the same part coming in sometimes several times per day, Toyota is especially susceptible to an interruption in the flow. For that reason, Toyota is careful to use two suppliers for most assemblies. As noted in Liker (2003), there was an exception to this rule that put the entire company at risk by the 1997 Aisin fire. However, since Toyota also makes a point of maintaining high quality relations with its entire supplier network, several other suppliers immediately took up production of the Aisin-built parts by using existing capability and documentation. Thus, a strong, long-term relationship with a few suppliers is preferred to short-term, price-based relationships with competing suppliers. This long-term relationship has also been used by Toyota to send Toyota staff into their suppliers to improve their suppliers' processes. These interventions have now been going on for twenty years and result in improved margins for Toyota and the supplier as well as lower final customer costs and a more reliable supply chain. Toyota encourages their suppliers to duplicate this work with their own suppliers.

[edit] Within a raw material stream
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As noted by Liker (2003) and Womack and Jones (2003), it would ultimately be desirable to introduce synchronised flow and linked JIT all the way back through the supply stream. However, none followed this in detail all the way back through the processes to the raw materials. With present technology, for example, an ear of corn cannot be grown and delivered to order. The same is true of most raw materials, which must be discovered and/or grown through natural processes that require time and must account for natural variability in weather and discovery. The part of this currently viewed as impossible is the synchronised part of flow and the linked part of JIT. It is for the reasons stated raw materials companies decouple their supply chain from their clients' demand by carrying large 'finished goods' stocks. Both flow and JIT can be implemented in isolated process islands within the raw materials stream. The challenge then becomes to achieve that isolation by some means other than the huge stocks they carry to achieve it today.

It is because of this almost all value chains are split into a part which makes-to-forecast and a part which could, by using JIT, become make-to-order. Often, historically, the make-to-order part has been within the retailer portion of the value chain. Toyota's revolutionary step has been to take Piggly Wiggly's supermarket replenishment system and drive it back to at least half way through their automobile factories. Their challenge today is to drive it all the way back to their goods-inwards dock. Of course, the mining of iron and making of steel is still not done specifically because somebody orders a particular car. Recognising JIT could be driven back up the supply chain has reaped Toyota huge benefits and a world dominating position in the auto industry.

It should be noted that the advent of the mini mill steelmaking facility is starting to challenge how far back JIT can be implemented, as the electric arc furnaces at the heart of many mini-mills can be started and stopped quickly, and steel grades changed rapidly.

[edit] Oil

It has been frequently charged that the oil industry has been influenced by JIT.[4][5][6]

The argument is presented as follows:

The number of refineries in the United States has fallen from 279 in 1975 to 205 in 1990 and further to 149 in 2004. As a result, the industry is susceptible to supply shocks, which cause spikes in prices and subsequently reduction in domestic manufacturing output. The effects of hurricanes Katrina and Rita are given as an example: in 2005, Katrina caused the shutdown of 9 refineries in Louisiana and 6 more in Mississippi, and a large number of oil production and transfer facilities, resulting in the loss of 20% of the US domestic refinery output. Rita subsequently shut down refineries in Texas, further reducing output. The GDP figures for the third and fourth quarters showed a slowdown from 3.5% to 1.2% growth. Similar arguments were made in earlier crises.

Beside the obvious point that prices went up because of the reduction in supply and not for anything to do with the practice of JIT, JIT students and even oil & gas industry analysts question whether JIT as it has been developed by Ohno, Goldratt, and others is used by the petroleum industry. Companies routinely shut down facilities for reasons other than the application of JIT. One of those reasons may be economic rationalization: when the benefits of operating no longer outweigh the costs, including opportunity costs, the plant may be economically inefficient. JIT has never subscribed to such considerations directly; following Waddel and Bodek (2005), this ROI-based thinking conforms more to Brown-style accounting and Sloan management. Further, and more significantly, JIT calls for a reduction in inventory capacity, not production capacity. From 1975 to 1990 to 2005, the annual average stocks of gasoline have fallen by only 8.5% from 228,331 to 222,903 bbls to 208,986 (Energy Information Administration data). Stocks fluctuate seasonally by as much as 20,000 bbls. During the 2005 hurricane season, stocks never fell below 194,000 thousand bbls, while the low for the period 1990 to 2006 was 187,017 thousand bbls in 1997. This shows that while industry storage capacity has decreased in the last 30 years, it hasn't been drastically reduced as JIT practitioners would prefer.

Finally, as shown in a pair of articles in the Oil & Gas Journal, JIT does not seem to have been a goal of the industry. In Waguespack and Cantor (1996), the authors point out that JIT would require a significant change in the supplier/refiner relationship, but the changes in inventories in the oil industry exhibit none of those tendencies. Specifically, the relationships remain cost-driven among many competing suppliers rather than quality-based among a select few long-term relationships. They find that a large part of the shift came about because of the availability of short-haul crudes from Latin America. In the follow-up editorial, the Oil & Gas Journal claimed that "casually adopting popular business terminology that doesn't apply" had provided a "rhetorical bogey" to industry critics. Confessing that they had been as guilty as other media sources, they confirmed that "It also happens not to be accurate."
 
Anyone here ever heard of a fellow named George Green?

I read through this thread on GLP last night and it is relevant to the first post of this thread.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message582954/pg1

9 missed meals...
Then you will see what you're neighbors are capable of.

Is it the same George Green who contacts aliens? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18bBpClShxM

He found free energy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOa9cBwW3Rg&feature=related

Looks like him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsvv6bMPwu8
 
Anyone here ever heard of a fellow named George Green?

I read through this thread on GLP last night and it is relevant to the first post of this thread.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message582954/pg1

9 missed meals...
Then you will see what you're neighbors are capable of.


This is why the best thing you can do is work together with your neighbors to defend your neighborhood, or community, or town......circle the wagons. Start a meet-up survival group in your area, and pass out pamphlets that alert and prepare people.

Remember this: There are more of us than there are of them....them being the elitist, globalists pushing for the NWO. Our role in life right now is to awaken the sleeping.
 
But what will cause a disruption? Why will farmers no longer sell their products? They want to because it costs them money to grow the food and want to get back what they can for it. Will something happen to wipe out the crops? What will disrupt the supply of oil and gas?
 
But what will cause a disruption? Why will farmers no longer sell their products? They want to because it costs them money to grow the food and want to get back what they can for it. Will something happen to wipe out the crops? What will disrupt the supply of oil and gas?

I dunno.
I dunno.
I dunno.
I dunno.

edit: I just can't want to get into all this right now.
 
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But what will cause a disruption? Why will farmers no longer sell their products? They want to because it costs them money to grow the food and want to get back what they can for it. Will something happen to wipe out the crops? What will disrupt the supply of oil and gas?

Well, let me think….. Maybe people will have no money to pay for anything and they will riot to eat after days of hunger and stores will close and farmers won’t have anybody to sell their crops to because everybody has worthless dollars and gas will be so expensive (in terms of worthless dollars) that they will begin to shut down because there is no business and you get the idea….
 
Ask the Zimbabweans

But what will cause a disruption? Why will farmers no longer sell their products? They want to because it costs them money to grow the food and want to get back what they can for it. Will something happen to wipe out the crops? What will disrupt the supply of oil and gas?

why they are hungry,poor,jobless and millionaires all at once.
 
Something Big is Going On

The following statement is written by Congressman Paul about the pending financial disaster. He will introduce this statement as a special order and insert it into the Congressional Record next week. Fortunately, we have the opportunity to debut it first on the Campaign for Liberty blog. It reads as follows:

I have, for the past 35 years, expressed my grave concern for the future of America. The course we have taken over the past century has threatened our liberties, security and prosperity. In spite of these long-held concerns, I have days—growing more frequent all the time—when I’m convinced the time is now upon us that some Big Events are about to occur. These fast-approaching events will not go unnoticed. They will affect all of us. They will not be limited to just some areas of our country. The world economy and political system will share in the chaos about to be unleashed.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=115
 
Well, let me think….. Maybe people will have no money to pay for anything and they will riot to eat after days of hunger and stores will close and farmers won’t have anybody to sell their crops to because everybody has worthless dollars and gas will be so expensive (in terms of worthless dollars) that they will begin to shut down because there is no business and you get the idea….

We have credit cards. We won't run out of money to buy things with.

I don't think the economy will be soaring along, but I do not see the Y2K rioting thing happening. No food anywhere. Stock up if you want, that is your right of course. Planning for what you think the future holds is a good thing. I just don't share your vision of it which is fine too.
 
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But what will cause a disruption? Why will farmers no longer sell their products? They want to because it costs them money to grow the food and want to get back what they can for it. Will something happen to wipe out the crops? What will disrupt the supply of oil and gas?

I don't have a lot to add to this thread except a personal experience. Our family farms and we have a crew from Haiti who pick the apples (and they're even here legally!). They come every year, same group, for at least 15 years. They arrive in mid August after traveling up the east coast. Every.single.year. They have been here for a few weeks now because at least they have a house to stay in while they wait for apples which are just starting to really come in. Their previous picking jobs, that they do every year as well, didn't have work for them. They have lost over a month of work. Why? Because the cost of spraying and using the farm equipment was too much for many farmers- there's a lot more to it than just picking them when they ripen, kwim? They opted to let fruit fall from the trees.

We did the same w/some peaches. Didn't bother pruning or anything. Some still grew but they are way too small to sell.
 
We have credit cards. We won't run out of money to buy things with.
What is the difference in cash dollars and debt dollars? When the dollar crashes the buying power of dollar holders will be microscopic.

I don't think the economy will be soaring along, but I do not see the Y2K rioting thing happening. No food anywhere. Stock up if you want, that is your right of course. Planning for what you think the future holds is a good thing. I just don't share your vision of it which is fine too.



Are you drinking or something? The economy not soaring along? Along what? The economy is in the toilet right now. And if the dollar crashes, isn’t that like very bad for the economy?
 
It will become the barter system. Food for work etc. Because the money will not have the value. But if you have worthless dollars, I suppose the bank still has to take the money.

But what will cause a disruption? Why will farmers no longer sell their products? They want to because it costs them money to grow the food and want to get back what they can for it. Will something happen to wipe out the crops? What will disrupt the supply of oil and gas?
 
Of course things will not be that bad, we are Americans

First we will..........




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I dont really believe all the conspiracy stuff but the economics collapse or sever contraction of wealth will happen because of economic principles but I got this email with this video today and though id post it here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7618947388652774139&q=George+Green+on+the+Economy&ei=jimJSIKTCIamrwLRqYW-Aw

here is the email, abit long and i really dont believe it will come to this(not the martial law part, im 50/50 on that, but some of the other stuff is just borderline retarded, ecuador becoming self sufficient??? come on...

don't know whether you have heard of George Green, but he is a former investment banker (Registered Financial Principal with the N.A.S.D.) and a Broker/Dealer, Securities Underwriter, Real Estate Developer, Insurance Broker and Publisher, who was invited to become a member of the 'Power Elite'. However, faced with a moral and ethical dilemma, he turned his back on his former associates and chose to walk an entirely different path in which he has tried to warn the world of the Power Elite's plans for the future.

Anyway, my attention was drawn to a recorded telephone conversation, on July 16th 2008, between George Green and an as yet unidentified web interviewer from the 'Conscious News Network', at: http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/news.htm . If you cannot access it there, it can also be found at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...reen+on+the+Economy&ei=jimJSIKTCIamrwLRqYW-Aw

Although it is described as a 'video', as the content is audio only, the streaming is smooth and seam-free. However, knowing how busy you are (and just how little time there is left for the world), I have extracted the main points emphasized by George Green, which I have listed, without comment, as an Appendix to this email. In the event that you require clarification, having listened to this recording a half dozen times, I am familiar with all the 'nuances' and would be happy to oblige.

The bottom line is that Bush is now expected to introduce Martial Law on or before 30th September 2008 - since this date marks the end of the Fiscal Year, when revelations about the true state of the economy - and the questionable practices of the Federal Reserve - are likely to result in riots in the streets and stockbrokers, bankers and financiers throwing themselves off the roofs of their buildings! It is not certain what pretext Bush proposes to use to 'justify' the imposition of Martial Law, but keep an eye on any War Games scheduled to take place in September 2008. My own money is on a Fort Detrick created Flu Pandemic spread primarily by compulsory vaccination but, judging from the deliberate complexity and diversity of 9/11, we must be prepared for multiple false flag events to throw state government and the citizenry off balance.

Best regards,

xxxxxx

P.S. Because of the urgent and vital nature of this communication, I have extensively copied it to others whom I hope will recirculate it as widely as possible.

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1. At the beginning of July, the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland, which is owned by the thirteen [Illuminati] Banking Families under Rothschild, stated that it wanted to audit the US Federal Reserve. Bush reluctantly had to agree to this, but with the proviso that the audit would not be conducted until he has left office. However, when the truth inevitably leaks out on 30th September 2008, clearly the Bank of International Settlements will no longer be prepared to accept the US Dollar.

2. With the realization that the Federal Reserve has been pumping two billion US Dollars a day into the economy in a forlorn effort to try to keep the US afloat, the US is now construed as 'the poor kid on the block', the 'bankrupt of the world' and nobody is prepared to lend them anything. Foreign governments have said 'We will no longer take your bonds'.

3. This situation has resulted in worldwide repercussions: for example China, which is the biggest US creditor, has told US importers that they may not pay more then 20% of the total cost of their goods in US Dollars.

4. Also since the beginning of July, Germany has announced that it will no longer accept Euros from eight of their fellow EU members, the two countries with which they are most concerned being Italy and Spain.

5. The Real Estate market is expected to go down by an additional 50% from its value on 16th August. Because of the collapse of the Real Estate market, which is expected to lead to at least a further two million foreclosures within the next 12 months, US Banks are no longer prepared to trust each other, so inter-bank lending has virtually ceased.

6. This has had a knock-on effect on would-be house purchasers. Like the old days, anyone who now wants to get a mortgage has to put 20% down and to satisfy the lender that their job is secure.

7. You may have seen Bush go on television to tell everyone not to worry as the US Government-sponsored Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) will guarantee the safety of their bank deposits. However, the truth is that the FDIC can barely raise 30 cents on the dollar to cover its potential liabilities; and Bank of America and Wells Fargo are in a similar situation.

8. Banks have already started telling their depositors that they cannot withdraw their own cash.

9. It is universally accepted internationally that the US Dollar is going to collapse by the end of September 2008. some foreign banks have already started to refuse to take Us deposits and, since the Patriot Act, if you do manage to send money to a foreign bank, they are required to report the fact to the USG, who will make you prove how you obtained it and if you cannot do so, they will automatically label you a 'terrorist' or a 'drug dealer' and confiscate it.

10. The Bank of South America is trying to organize its own currency for use within the South American continent when the US Dollar finally crashes, based on an initial provision of eight billion dollars.

11. As at July 1st, the Japanese stock market was down 12%, the Australian stock market was down 18%, the German stock market was down 22%, the Indian stock market was down 36%; and China's Shanghai Exchange was down 50%.

12. Within the next year, the DOW is expected to fall to between 7500 and 8000.

13. Everyone is now desperately trying to get liquid; and Oil, Gold and Drugs have become the only universally accepted world currencies.

14. The only sensible advice is either to change dollars into other currencies, or buy gold and silver (while you still can, because the US is likely to make it illegal to own gold); and stock up on canned food, the price of which is going to go through the roof. Already the major canners have reduced the size of cans by 20% to preserve stock whilst also maximizing their profits.

15. Already 80% of the cost of an apple in a supermarket is due to energy costs; and this proportion is likely to rise. We have already started to see the situation where growers, producers and importers have stopped supplying many basic foodstuffs because the price of oil has meant that the cost of getting it to market is more than they can hope to sell it for. The food shortages that have resulted are likely to become even more acute because the USG is talking of introducing price controls. Who will be prepared to continue to supply the market when they are sustaining increasing losses?

16. The falling value of the dollar has created artificial shortages because other countries can now buy US goods cheaper than they can produce them themselves.

17. Inflation is expected to rise by 35 - 40% by the end of this year in real terms. Gasoline 5 Dollars a Gallon everywhere.

18. Following the collapse of the US Dollar, the Euro is also expected to collapse. In fact, Russia is already negotiating with Germany about a new currency.

19. The Iranian Oil Bourse was set up to trade oil internationally in Euros (see: http://www.energybulletin.net/node/12125 ) but, just when the bourse was ready to go live, the submarine cables were conveniently cut.

20. You can forget about the NAU's Amero. The Amero is off the table - the Canadian Prime Minister said 'We're not going to support a bankrupt country'; and Mexico is so corrupt that nobody knows where they're coming from.

21. In the future, South America will be one of the safest areas on the planet. They have ample commodities and very little debt. Not everywhere is ideal (in some countries you would need to live in a defended compound). Ecuador is close to becoming self sufficient in food terms.

22. Kissinger and the population reduction crew are trying to get WW3 started before September 30th (end of the US Fiscal Year), then Bush can suspend everything. Israel and the US are working out the details to attack Iran to start WW3. The main reason for the use of Depleted Uranium munitions in Iraq is 'to cull the herd'.

23. Of the US population of 300 million, half are over 50 and most of the kids can't read or write. Sport and entertainment are what has been used to keep everyone going. When (rather than if) Bush calls a National Emergency, if you are over the age of 44 only if you have a use which 'they' want will 'they' be prepared to keep you alive. Moreover, what law will we have which says that we even own our own homes?

24. Everybody must downsize into small self-contained and (as far as possible) self-sufficient communities, People will have to forget their 'wants' and to concentrate solely on what they actually need to survive.

24. In short, we are marching towards our self-imprisonment. I'm ready to get out of harm's way. I know high ups who will tell me when it's time to leave.
 
Guys, in this kind of event don't expect the majority of the country to turn into post-Katrina New Orleans.


New Orleans is a much different place than most of the USA.

If your worried about that kind of mass hysteria scenario move out to the country.

Where I live we were completely blocked off from all contact to the outside world, but we cooperated and cut our own way out, and cleared a mile of roadway out to the highway, it took us 6 days, but we did it with no help whatsoever from the Government.

We then pooled together to go get food/gasoline 60 miles away in Baton Rouge.

New Orleans is a crappy place, and it's no surprise what happened there happened the way it did. ;)



There is a reason you only heard the horror stories in New Orleans, and not Gulfport, Biloxi, etc. etc. etc.
 
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