250,000 people incinerated to prop up the MIC

I bet you cheer gleefully when we put the Japanese Americans in interment camps too.

The nuking of Japan was to intimidate Uncle Joe. There was absolutely no reason for them to drop those bombs, Japan was already defeated and were surrendering.

More non-sequitor nonsense. This discussion has nothing to do with the error of Japanese internment.


Secondly, Japan wasn't surrendering unilaterally. Read about the Kyujo Incident which occurred August 14th 1945, 5 DAYS AFTER THE DROPPING OF THE BOMBS. :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyūjō_Incident

The officers, in an attempt to block the decision to surrender to the Allies, killed Lieutenant General Takeshi Mori of the First Imperial Guards Division and attempted to counterfeit an order to the effect of occupying the Tokyo Imperial Palace. They attempted to place the Emperor under house arrest, using the 2nd Brigade Imperial Guard Infantry. They failed to persuade the Eastern District Army (Japan) and the high command of the Imperial Japanese Army to move forward with the action. Due to their failure to convince the remaining army to oust the Imperial House of Japan, they ultimately committed suicide in traditional Japanese form. As a result, the communique of the intent for a Japanese surrender continued as planned.


Does that sound like a power structure that wants to surrender??? You drop 2 earth shattering weapons on their populace and a coup d'etat is barely averted 5 days later!!! I really can't believe how historically ignorant some people are, in order to keep their fragile worldviews intact.
 
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1 million casualties between Japanese and Americans if Operation Olympic and Operation Coronet are greenlit. 1 million lives vs. 250k. It's simple math.

Secondly, if the JCS and our leaders were dumb enough to antagonize a more powerful military with cutthroat methods and then refused to the surrender terms, then of course, I'd expect a nuclear armament to be utilized. Hopefully, our military leaders aren't as fanatical and delusional as the Japanese were & would utilize common sense. In fact, during the Bataan Death March, the Japanese were appalled that more of the imprisoned American officers weren't killing themselves for the dishonor of being captured. We're dealing with stark contrasts in mindset.
By mid 1944 Japan was waging a defensive war no longer capable of waging an offensive war. My point is Operations Olympic and Coronet (Operation Downfall) would have been and act of aggression. For no other purpose than unconditional surrender. To me Operation Downfall was unnecessary.
 
By mid 1944 Japan was waging a defensive war no longer capable of waging an offensive war. My point is Operations Olympic and Coronet (Operation Downfall) would have been and act of aggression. For no other purpose than unconditional surrender. To me Operation Downfall was unnecessary.

Agreed. Operation Downfall was unnecessary. But if backed up between a hard and a rock place, I'm dropping the bombs. Truman made the right decision. He saw how savage and unreasonable the Japanese were throughout the war. The Japanese never took POWs.
 
1 million casualties between Japanese and Americans if Operation Olympic and Operation Coronet are greenlit. 1 million lives vs. 250k. It's simple math.

Secondly, if the JCS and our leaders were dumb enough to antagonize a more powerful military with cutthroat methods and then refused to the surrender terms, then of course, I'd expect a nuclear armament to be utilized. Hopefully, our military leaders aren't as fanatical and delusional as the Japanese were & would utilize common sense. In fact, during the Bataan Death March, the Japanese were appalled that more of the imprisoned American officers weren't killing themselves for the dishonor of being captured. We're dealing with stark contrasts in mindset.

An Island nation. Whose Navy and Airforce were destroyed. No need to invade. The populace would have eventually revolted or died out. The bomb was dropped because of Russia. It jump started all the unconstitutional wars we have been in since WWII. THAT is the work of the M.I.C.
 
Agreed. Operation Downfall was unnecessary. But if backed up between a hard and a rock place, I'm dropping the bombs. Truman made the right decision. He saw how savage and unreasonable the Japanese were throughout the war. The Japanese never took POWs.

There was no rock nor hard place. We controlled the sea and the skies.
 
An Island nation. Whose Navy and Airforce were destroyed. No need to invade. The populace would have eventually revolted or died out. The bomb was dropped because of Russia. It jump started all the unconstitutional wars we have been in since WWII. THAT is the work of the M.I.C.

It was largely logistics. The American brass wasn't going to just sit there and wait for the Japanese. They had amassed this huge force, which was extremely costly to maintain per day, halfway around the world.
 
It was largely logistics. The American brass wasn't going to just sit there and wait for the Japanese. They had amassed this huge force, which was extremely costly to maintain per day, halfway around the world.

That to you is a good excuse to nuke civilians?
 
You really think Truman dropped the bomb for giggles??? Seriously... The incineration of 250 thousand Japanese civilians because he was curious?? Some people in this forum live in dreamland. It was either (A) Hiroshima and Nagasaki or (B) a prolonged invasion of Japan exceeding a million deaths.

No, not for giggles...

In the years since the two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, a number of historians have suggested that the weapons had a two-pronged objective …. It has been suggested that the second objective was to demonstrate the new weapon of mass destruction to the Soviet Union. By August 1945, relations between the Soviet Union and the United States had deteriorated badly. The Potsdam Conference between U.S. President Harry S. Truman, Russian leader Joseph Stalin, and Winston Churchill (before being replaced by Clement Attlee) ended just four days before the bombing of Hiroshima. The meeting was marked by recriminations and suspicion between the Americans and Soviets. Russian armies were occupying most of Eastern Europe. Truman and many of his advisers hoped that the U.S. atomic monopoly might offer diplomatic leverage with the Soviets. In this fashion, the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan can be seen as the first shot of the Cold War.
 
Wow!

So I've scanned all of that over quick like and I still don't have a clue what a MIC is or do I give any more of a darn to figure it out than you did to try and convey a message by spelling out.

But I'm sure one person at least was impressed by it.

Sorry, sorry, sorry...

MIC = Military Industrial Complex.

I'm quite sure this action shaped Eisenhower's thinking to later coin that term.
 
That to you is a good excuse to nuke civilians?

No. But but they were the only two options being considered. Operation Downfall or the bombs. And with the amphibious assault, they were going to drop the bombs on two strategic beachheads.
 
No. But but they were the only two options being considered. Operation Downfall or the bombs. And with the amphibious assault, they were going to drop the bombs on two strategic beachheads.

And both were presented by the Military Industrial Complex and its Pentagon planners. There were many options. Christ. Wake the fuck up.
 
The Japanese never took POWs.

Ummmm, wut?



List of Japanese-run internment camps during World War II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese-run_internment_camps_during_World_War_II

This is an incomplete list of Japanese-run military prisoner-of-war and civilian internment camps during World War II.

Some of these camps were for prisoners of war (POW) only.

Some also held a mixture of POWs and civilian internees, while others held solely civilian internees.

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

Published by the Medical Research Committee of American Ex-Prisoners of War, Inc., 1980.Contents
 


[edit] Camps in the PhilippinesCabanatuan
Camp O'Donnell
Los Baños
Santo Tomas Internment Camp
Bilibid Prison
Puerto Princesa Prison Camp
Camp John Hay
Camp Holmes
Camp Manganese, Guindulman, Bohol
[edit] Camps in Malaya/SingaporeChangi Prison
Salarang Barracks
River Valley Camp
Blakang Mati
Anderson School, Ipoh, Perak State, Malaya
Outram Road Prison
[edit] Camps in Formosa (modern Taiwan)Kinkaseki#1 Jinguashi
Taichu#2 (Taichung)
Heito#3 (PingTung)
Shirakawa#4 (Chiayi)
Taihoku#5 Mosak (Taipei)
Taihoku#6 (Taipei)
Karenko (Hualien)
Tamazato (YuLi)
Kukutsu (Taipei)
Oka (Taipei)
Toroku - (Touliu)
Inrin - (Yuanlin)
Inrin Temporary (Yuanlin)
Takao (Kaohsiung)
Churon (Taipei)
Tiahokum (Taipei)
[edit] Camps in North BorneoJesselton
Sandakan
[edit] Camps in SarawakBatu Lintang, Kuching
[edit] Camps in ChinaThe Weihsien Compound (Shandong)
Lunghua Civilian Assembly Center (Shanghai)
Lushun (Port Arthur) POW Camp
[edit] Camps in ManchuriaHoten Camp
[edit] Camps in Dutch East Indies (modern Indonesia)Pontianak POW camp, Pontianak (Dutch Borneo) (modern Kalimantan)
Balikpapan POW camp, Balikpapan (Dutch Borneo) (modern Kalimantan)
Makasura (Celebes)
Tandjong Priok POW camp, Tandjong Priok (Java)
Koan School, Batavia (modern Jakarta) (Java)
Glodok Gaol, Golodok, a suburb of Batavia (modern Jakarta) (Java)
Bicycle Camp, Batavia (modern Jakarta) (Java)
Bandung (Java)
Tjideng
Usapa Besar (Timor)
Ambarawa (Java)
Bangkong (Java)
Lampersari (Java)
Ambon (Ambon Island)
Banyu Biru (Java)
[edit] Camps in Thailand/BurmaNiki Niki
Kanchanaburi
Sonkrai
[edit] Camps in New GuineaRabaul
[edit] Camps in KoreaInchon
[edit] Camps in Hong KongArgyle Street Camp
Ma Tau Chong Camp
Ma Tau Wai Camp
North Point Camp
Sham Shui Po Camp
Stanley Internment Camp
[1]

[edit] Camps in Japan
Achi Yamakita
Aioshi
Akasaka
Akenobe #6B
Akita
Amagasaki Subcamp
Aokuma (or Okuma) (Fukuoka #22)
Aomori (Ōmori, Tokyo Base Camp #1)
Arao
Asahigawa
Ashio
Ashikago
Atami
Beppu
Bibai-Machi Branch Camp #3
Camp #11 (Fukuoka #11) (Later renamed #8)
Camp #23
Chiba
Chugenji (or Chuzenji)
Franciscan Monastery
Fukuoka #17
Fuji
Funatsu
Furashi
Furumaki
Fuse
Futase (Fukuoka #10, later renamed #7)
Futatsui City
Gifu - Nagara Hotel
Hakodate #2 (Utashinia or Akabira)
Hakodate #3 (Utashin1a)
Hakodate Divisional Camp
Hakodate Main Camp
Hakone
Hanawa Sendai #6
Harina (or Harima)
Hayashi Village
Higashi-Misone (Subcamp #10)
Himeji
Hiraoka (Subcamp #3)
Hirohata Divisional Camp
Hitachi (Ibaraki-Ken Camp #D12)
Hitachi Motoyama
Ichioka (or Itchioka) Stadium Hospital
Iizuka (Probably #7)
Ikuno (Osaka #4B)
Imoshima Island (Subcamp #2)
Kagawa Christian Fellowship Home
Kamioka
Kamiso Subcamp #1
Kamitan (or Kamita) Kozan (Sendai #11)
Kanagawa Kenko
Kanagawa Tokyo 2nd Div.
Kanazawa
Kanose
Kashii (or Kashu) Camp #1 (Fukuoka #1)
Kawasaki #1
Kawasaki Camp - Kobe
Kawasaki Dispatch Camp #5
Kawasaki Subcamp #2 ("Mitsui Madhouse")
Kempei Tai
Kita Corygara
Kobe
Kobe (Camp #31)
Kobe POW Hospital
Kōchi
Kosaka (Sendai Camp #8)
Koshian Hotel
Koyagi Shima (Fukuoka #2)
Kumamoto (First location of Fukuoka #1)
Kure
Kurume
Kyota - branches at Hakata
Maibara
Maisure
Minato-ku
Mito
Mitsu Branch Camp #5
Mitsuishi
Mitsushima (or Matsushima) Camp #2D
Miyata (Fukuoka #9B)
Mizumaki
Mizonkuchi
Moji #4
Moji Hospital
Morioka
Motoyama Subcamp #8
Mukaishima Island Subcamp #1 (Hiroshima Sub-Camp #4)
Murakami
Muroran (Kamiso Machi Camp #73)
Myoshi
Nakama #21 (Fukuoka #21) (Also spelled Nacama)
Nagasaki
Nagasaki #14
Nagasaki #2 (Same as #139)
Nagasaki #4
Nagoya Main Camp
Nagoya Subcamp #10
Narashino Airport
Narumi
Niigata (Subcamp #5)
Niihama Branch Camp #2
Nogeyama Park
Nooetzu (or Nooetsu) Prison Camp (Niigata Ken)
Notogawa #9B
Odate
Oeyama (or Oyama)
Ofuna Camp
Ohama Subcamp #9
Ohashi[disambiguation needed]
Old City Hall
Omine Subcamp #6
Ōmori Main Camp
Ōmuta Camp #17 Fukuoka 17
Onada Branch Camp #8
Onada Branch Camp #9
Osaka #1 Headquarters Camp (Chikko)
Osaka Central Market
Otaru
Oyeama
Park Central Camp
Park Central Stadium
Rangoon
Roku Roshi
Sakai Prison
Sakurajima
Sakurajima Ichioka School
Sapporo Penitentiary
Sasebo (Fukuoka #18)
Sekiguchi at Koishikawaku
Sendai
Shibaura
Shimodate
Shimomago Hitachi
Shimonseki
Shinagawa Main Camp
Shinagawa POW Hospital
Shingu[disambiguation needed]
Shinjuku Camp #1
Shizuoka
Subcamp #12 (Fukuoka #12)
Sumidagawa
Sumiyoshi-ku
Suzuki Aio No Moto Factory
Suzurandai
Takadanobaba
Tamano Branch Camp #3
Tanagawa
Tan Tui (or Tan tooey)
Teniya (or Temiya) Park Stadium
Tobata (Fukuoka #3)
Tomakomai
Toyama
Toyoka (or Toyooka)
Tsumori (Osaka Subcamp #13B)
Tsuruga Divisional Camp #5B
Tsurumi[disambiguation needed] Subcamp #5
Ube Subcamp #7
Umeda Bonshu (Osaka Warehouse)
Uraga
Utsonomiya
Uywake (or Iwake or Yuwake)
Wakasen
Wakayama
Wakinohama (Osaka #18-B)
Yamashita Camp #1
Yodogawa
Yokkaichi
Yokohama #5
Yonago
Yura
Zentsuji Headquarters Camp
Zentsuji Subcamp #3
 
This whole thread reminds me of my own inner struggle with this point in history. My personal historical expertice is the Twentieth Air Force. The March 9 1945 raid on Tokyo destroyed 16 square miles and killed 100,000 people in one night, comparable to the atomic attacks. As long as people are posting reading material about this war, my contribution "Point of No Return" by Curts E. LeMay.
 
Ummmm, wut?



List of Japanese-run internment camps during World War II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese-run_internment_camps_during_World_War_II

This is an incomplete list of Japanese-run military prisoner-of-war and civilian internment camps during World War II.

Some of these camps were for prisoners of war (POW) only.

Some also held a mixture of POWs and civilian internees, while others held solely civilian internees.

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

Published by the Medical Research Committee of American Ex-Prisoners of War, Inc., 1980.Contents
 


[edit] Camps in the PhilippinesCabanatuan
Camp O'Donnell
Los Baños
Santo Tomas Internment Camp
Bilibid Prison
Puerto Princesa Prison Camp
Camp John Hay
Camp Holmes
Camp Manganese, Guindulman, Bohol
[edit] Camps in Malaya/SingaporeChangi Prison
Salarang Barracks
River Valley Camp
Blakang Mati
Anderson School, Ipoh, Perak State, Malaya
Outram Road Prison
[edit] Camps in Formosa (modern Taiwan)Kinkaseki#1 Jinguashi
Taichu#2 (Taichung)
Heito#3 (PingTung)
Shirakawa#4 (Chiayi)
Taihoku#5 Mosak (Taipei)
Taihoku#6 (Taipei)
Karenko (Hualien)
Tamazato (YuLi)
Kukutsu (Taipei)
Oka (Taipei)
Toroku - (Touliu)
Inrin - (Yuanlin)
Inrin Temporary (Yuanlin)
Takao (Kaohsiung)
Churon (Taipei)
Tiahokum (Taipei)
[edit] Camps in North BorneoJesselton
Sandakan
[edit] Camps in SarawakBatu Lintang, Kuching
[edit] Camps in ChinaThe Weihsien Compound (Shandong)
Lunghua Civilian Assembly Center (Shanghai)
Lushun (Port Arthur) POW Camp
[edit] Camps in ManchuriaHoten Camp
[edit] Camps in Dutch East Indies (modern Indonesia)Pontianak POW camp, Pontianak (Dutch Borneo) (modern Kalimantan)
Balikpapan POW camp, Balikpapan (Dutch Borneo) (modern Kalimantan)
Makasura (Celebes)
Tandjong Priok POW camp, Tandjong Priok (Java)
Koan School, Batavia (modern Jakarta) (Java)
Glodok Gaol, Golodok, a suburb of Batavia (modern Jakarta) (Java)
Bicycle Camp, Batavia (modern Jakarta) (Java)
Bandung (Java)
Tjideng
Usapa Besar (Timor)
Ambarawa (Java)
Bangkong (Java)
Lampersari (Java)
Ambon (Ambon Island)
Banyu Biru (Java)
[edit] Camps in Thailand/BurmaNiki Niki
Kanchanaburi
Sonkrai
[edit] Camps in New GuineaRabaul
[edit] Camps in KoreaInchon
[edit] Camps in Hong KongArgyle Street Camp
Ma Tau Chong Camp
Ma Tau Wai Camp
North Point Camp
Sham Shui Po Camp
Stanley Internment Camp
[1]

[edit] Camps in Japan
Achi Yamakita
Aioshi
Akasaka
Akenobe #6B
Akita
Amagasaki Subcamp
Aokuma (or Okuma) (Fukuoka #22)
Aomori (Ōmori, Tokyo Base Camp #1)
Arao
Asahigawa
Ashio
Ashikago
Atami
Beppu
Bibai-Machi Branch Camp #3
Camp #11 (Fukuoka #11) (Later renamed #8)
Camp #23
Chiba
Chugenji (or Chuzenji)
Franciscan Monastery
Fukuoka #17
Fuji
Funatsu
Furashi
Furumaki
Fuse
Futase (Fukuoka #10, later renamed #7)
Futatsui City
Gifu - Nagara Hotel
Hakodate #2 (Utashinia or Akabira)
Hakodate #3 (Utashin1a)
Hakodate Divisional Camp
Hakodate Main Camp
Hakone
Hanawa Sendai #6
Harina (or Harima)
Hayashi Village
Higashi-Misone (Subcamp #10)
Himeji
Hiraoka (Subcamp #3)
Hirohata Divisional Camp
Hitachi (Ibaraki-Ken Camp #D12)
Hitachi Motoyama
Ichioka (or Itchioka) Stadium Hospital
Iizuka (Probably #7)
Ikuno (Osaka #4B)
Imoshima Island (Subcamp #2)
Kagawa Christian Fellowship Home
Kamioka
Kamiso Subcamp #1
Kamitan (or Kamita) Kozan (Sendai #11)
Kanagawa Kenko
Kanagawa Tokyo 2nd Div.
Kanazawa
Kanose
Kashii (or Kashu) Camp #1 (Fukuoka #1)
Kawasaki #1
Kawasaki Camp - Kobe
Kawasaki Dispatch Camp #5
Kawasaki Subcamp #2 ("Mitsui Madhouse")
Kempei Tai
Kita Corygara
Kobe
Kobe (Camp #31)
Kobe POW Hospital
Kōchi
Kosaka (Sendai Camp #8)
Koshian Hotel
Koyagi Shima (Fukuoka #2)
Kumamoto (First location of Fukuoka #1)
Kure
Kurume
Kyota - branches at Hakata
Maibara
Maisure
Minato-ku
Mito
Mitsu Branch Camp #5
Mitsuishi
Mitsushima (or Matsushima) Camp #2D
Miyata (Fukuoka #9B)
Mizumaki
Mizonkuchi
Moji #4
Moji Hospital
Morioka
Motoyama Subcamp #8
Mukaishima Island Subcamp #1 (Hiroshima Sub-Camp #4)
Murakami
Muroran (Kamiso Machi Camp #73)
Myoshi
Nakama #21 (Fukuoka #21) (Also spelled Nacama)
Nagasaki
Nagasaki #14
Nagasaki #2 (Same as #139)
Nagasaki #4
Nagoya Main Camp
Nagoya Subcamp #10
Narashino Airport
Narumi
Niigata (Subcamp #5)
Niihama Branch Camp #2
Nogeyama Park
Nooetzu (or Nooetsu) Prison Camp (Niigata Ken)
Notogawa #9B
Odate
Oeyama (or Oyama)
Ofuna Camp
Ohama Subcamp #9
Ohashi[disambiguation needed]
Old City Hall
Omine Subcamp #6
Ōmori Main Camp
Ōmuta Camp #17 Fukuoka 17
Onada Branch Camp #8
Onada Branch Camp #9
Osaka #1 Headquarters Camp (Chikko)
Osaka Central Market
Otaru
Oyeama
Park Central Camp
Park Central Stadium
Rangoon
Roku Roshi
Sakai Prison
Sakurajima
Sakurajima Ichioka School
Sapporo Penitentiary
Sasebo (Fukuoka #18)
Sekiguchi at Koishikawaku
Sendai
Shibaura
Shimodate
Shimomago Hitachi
Shimonseki
Shinagawa Main Camp
Shinagawa POW Hospital
Shingu[disambiguation needed]
Shinjuku Camp #1
Shizuoka
Subcamp #12 (Fukuoka #12)
Sumidagawa
Sumiyoshi-ku
Suzuki Aio No Moto Factory
Suzurandai
Takadanobaba
Tamano Branch Camp #3
Tanagawa
Tan Tui (or Tan tooey)
Teniya (or Temiya) Park Stadium
Tobata (Fukuoka #3)
Tomakomai
Toyama
Toyoka (or Toyooka)
Tsumori (Osaka Subcamp #13B)
Tsuruga Divisional Camp #5B
Tsurumi[disambiguation needed] Subcamp #5
Ube Subcamp #7
Umeda Bonshu (Osaka Warehouse)
Uraga
Utsonomiya
Uywake (or Iwake or Yuwake)
Wakasen
Wakayama
Wakinohama (Osaka #18-B)
Yamashita Camp #1
Yodogawa
Yokkaichi
Yokohama #5
Yonago
Yura
Zentsuji Headquarters Camp
Zentsuji Subcamp #3
 


It is common knowledge that the Japanese killed great amounts of POWs. Below you will find a controversial order from the Japanese military to terminate POWs:

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/vhp-stories/loc.natlib.afc2001001.00454/enlarge?ID=pm0003001&page=1

pm0003001r.jpg
 
More non-sequitor nonsense. This discussion has nothing to do with the error of Japanese internment.


Secondly, Japan wasn't surrendering unilaterally. Read about the Kyujo Incident which occurred August 14th 1945, 5 DAYS AFTER THE DROPPING OF THE BOMBS. :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyūjō_Incident




Does that sound like a power structure that wants to surrender??? You drop 2 earth shattering weapons on their populace and a coup d'etat is barely averted 5 days later!!! I really can't believe how historically ignorant some people are, in order to keep their fragile worldviews intact.



Admittedly, dropping the atomic bomb was a major factor in Japan's decision to accept the terms laid out at the Potsdam agreement otherwise known as unconditional surrender. The fact must be pointed out, however, that Japan had already been virtually defeated. (McInnis, 1945) Though the public did not know this, the allies, in fact, did. Through spies, they had learned that both Japan's foreign minister, Shigenori Togo and Emperor Hirohito both supported an end to the war (Grant, 1998). Even if they believed such reports to be false or inaccurate, the leaders of the United States also knew Japan's situation to be hopeless. Their casualties in defending the doomed island of Okinawa were a staggering 110,000 and the naval blockade which the allies had enforced whittled trade down to almost nothing. Japan was quickly on the path to destruction. (Grant, 1998). Of course, the Allies ignored this for the reason that dropping the atomic bomb on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would intimidate Russia. Had they truly been considering saving more lives and bringing a quick end to the war in Japan, they would have simply waited them out without the major loss of life seen at both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=23634
January 1945 - MacArthur forwarded to the President a Japanese offer to
surrender to which was exactly what we accepted 7 months later. Had it
been accepted when first offered, there would have been no heavy loss
of life on Iwo Jima (over 26,033 Americans killed or wounded,
approximately 21,000 Japanese killed) and Okinawa (over 39,000 U.S.
dead and wounded, 109,000 Japanese dead), no fire bombing of Japanese
cities by B-29 bombers (it is estimated that the dropping of 1,700 tons
of incendiary explosives on Japanese cities during March 9th-10th alone
killed over 80,000 civilians and destroyed 260,000 buildings), and no
use of the atomic bomb (200,000 killed).

5 April 1945 - Japan appointed Prime Minister Suzuki Kantaro who was
known to be a peace advocate.

8 May 1945 - Japan tried to surrender through the Soviet Union.

June 1945 - Both the US Army and Navy recommended to Truman that he
clarify the US demands in regard to the Emperor. It was recognized that
he was absolutely essential so he could order his men to lay down their
arms. Without him, there would have been anarchy in Japan.....

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.japan/2005-08/msg00120.html


PEARL HARBOR
MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES

"...everything that the Japanese were planning to do was known to the United States..." ARMY BOARD, 1944

President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.

FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -

denying intelligence to Hawaii (HI)
on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the war was on
having false information sent to HI about the location of the Japanese carrier fleet.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/pearl_harbor_mother_of_all_conspiracies.htm


A UNITED NATIONS PROJECT

In May of 1945, the architects of postwar strategy, or, as they liked to call themselves, the "Masters of the Universe", gathered in San Francisco at the plush Palace Hotel to write the Charter for the United Nations. Several of the principals retired for a private meeting in the exclusive Garden Room. The head of the United States delegation had called this secret meeting with his top aide, Alger Hiss, representing the president of the United States and the Soviet KGB; John Foster Dulles, of the Wall Street law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell, whose mentor, William Nelson Cromwell, had been called a "professional revolutionary" on the floor of Congress; and W. Averill Harriman, plenipotentiary extraordinary, who had spent the last two years in Moscow directing Stalin's war for survival. These four men represented the awesome power of the American Republic in world affairs, yet of the four, only Secretary of State Edward Stettinius Jr., had a position authorized by the Constitution. Stettinius called the meeting to order to discuss an urgent matter; the Japanese were already privately suing for peace, which presented a grave crisis. The atomic bomb would not be ready for several more months. "We have already lost Germany," Stettinius said. "If Japan bows out, we will not have a live population on which to test the bomb."

"But, Mr. Secretary," said Alger Hiss, "no one can ignore the terrible power of this weapon." "Nevertheless," said Stettinius, "our entire postwar program depends on terrifying the world with the atomic bomb." "To accomplish that goal," said John Foster Dulles, "you will need a very good tally. I should say a million." "Yes," replied Stettinius, "we are hoping for a million tally in Japan. But if they surrender, we won't have anything." "Then you have to keep them in the war until the bomb is ready," said John Foster Dulles. "That is no problem. Unconditional surrender." "They won't agree to that," said Stettinius. "They are sworn to protect the Emperor." "Exactly," said John Foster Dulles. "Keep Japan in the war another three months, and we can use the bomb on their cities; we will end this war with the naked fear of all the peoples of the world, who will then bow to our will."

http://www.whale.to/b/mullins8.html
 
I can think of two Prisoners of War off the top of my head Pappy Boyington and Louis Zamperini.
 
Today's pervasive MIC scares me even more (77 years later).

Imagine the vengeful thoughts that must be racing through the minds of surviving family members and others trying to survive or recover in those countries that have been bombed, invaded and sanctioned into Hell-like living conditions resulting from Amerikan military aggression. Worse yet, some of them also have nuke armed superpower friends / customers that have been watching and someday may decide the USA needs to be "stopped" from pursuing it's insatiable thirst for blood and world domination as "we" print too much fiat money and elect a dictator who promises to fix everything...

It's kinda’ like WW2 was portrayed in the 1940's, but this time the USA is the evil bad ass bully in their eyes.

I don't want this whole thing to play out on my watch, but I fear it might be inevitable no matter what we do: [jump to 2:00 and finally, "We'll just see... won't we"]

 
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By the way, excellent original post AF. It took me a long time to come to that conclusion. I always had a lot of respect for the servicemen that fought in that war or any. It was hard for me to accept that something they took part in could be wrong or immoral.
 
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