250,000 people incinerated to prop up the MIC
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phill4paul
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THAT is the meme. Who could refuse to "SUPPORT THE TROOPS?" The real question resides in HOW you help the troops. You don't send them to die for a corporations bottom dollar. Smedley Butler had it right. His viewpoint I have NEVER seen on TV or in a classroom.
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hmmm...
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The servicemen and servicewomen were sucked (or suckered) into it all by the self-serving bias and lies from an immoral MIC and top schemers drunk with power. And, the ball is still in play...
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I promise you his point was there when I was in a classroom last year.
Good on you!
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all is fair in war
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All is unfair in war.
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Well fuck. Why put "boots on the ground" anywhere. Shoulda just nuked Iraq. And Afghanistan. And Syria. And Libya. Fuck what a great concept.
Then again perhaps we actually debate the concept of WAR. At least in Congress.
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Correct. That's why you avert war at all costs instead of letting it metastasize to inescapable depths. The U.S. should have never gone to war in the Pacific to begin. But certain questionable events led to the entrance into the war and the fuse was lit. Given the fierce nature of the campaign and brutality that ensued, no one should be shocked in the manner in which it ended. That's what happens in war. One side is demolished and shamed.
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Yep. Pretty shameful and a result of our actions closed to demolished.
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The protective qualities of the Divine Wind were abit overstated.
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I spoke of us. Not of them.
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Have to disagree with the OP.
Japan was preparing to fight to the last man, woman and child - if invaded. Large numbers of kamakazi subs (torpedo w/ driver) were prepared along with other weapons to fend off an invasion and women and children were drilled on how to use a bamboo spear as a weapon.
Secondly, in the wings was waiting another weapon that would have made a quarter million casualties look like pocket change...
We didn't need to have dropped the SECOND bomb. Japan was ready to surrender after the first.
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Japan was preparing to fight to the last man, woman and child - if invaded. Large numbers of kamakazi subs (torpedo w/ driver) were prepared along with other weapons to fend off an invasion and women and children were drilled on how to use a bamboo spear as a weapon.
Secondly, in the wings was waiting another weapon that would have made a quarter million casualties look like pocket change...
We didn't need to have dropped the SECOND bomb. Japan was ready to surrender after the first.
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Death in service of their living god, the Emperor was preferred to the lifelong shame of surrender to the Americans. When you examine Japanese society at that time, it was literally a cult of personality.
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If anyone is interested in learning more about the bat bomb, there is a book out there by that title about the project and it's also documented in Louis Feiser's (inventor of napalm) very rare book: "The Scientific Method; Unusual projects during war and peace".
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Revealing background on Emperor Hirohito and his fascination with bioweapons (Unit 731).
The Americans later gave the head scientists and researchers of Unit 731 immunity from their crimes in return for compliance.
The Americans later gave the head scientists and researchers of Unit 731 immunity from their crimes in return for compliance.
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Don't worry. Bioweapons will be used in WW3, and they will probably eradicate humanity. Oh well, all's fair in love and war, right?
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How To Start a War: The American Use of War Pretext Incidents
(...)
1941: World War II
CONTEXT US fascists opposed President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) from the start. In 1933, “America's richest businessmen were in a panic. Roosevelt intended to conduct a massive redistribution of wealth…[and it] had to be stopped at all costs. The answer was a military coup…secretly financed and organized by leading officers of the Morgan and du Pont empires.”36
A top Wall Street conspirator said: "We need a fascist government in this country…to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built.”37
The Committee on Un-American Activities said: “Sworn testimony showed that the plotters represented notable families -- Rockefeller, Mellon, Pew, Pitcairn, Hutton and great enterprises -- Morgan, Dupont, Remington, Anaconda, Bethlehem, Goodyear, GMC, Swift, Sun.”38
FDR also faced “isolationist” sentiments from such millionaires who shared Hitler’s hatred of communism and had financed Hitler’s rise to power as George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush, predecessors of the current president.39 William R.Hearst, mid-wife of the war with Spain, opposed a war against fascism. Hearst employed Hitler, Mussolini and Goering as writers. He met Hitler in 1934 and used Readers’ Digest and his 33 newspapers to support fascism.40
PRETEXT On December 7, 1941, Japanese bombers attacked the US Pacific Fleet in Pearl Harbour, Hawaii, killing about 2,460.41
FDR, and his closest advisors, not only knew of the attack in advance and did not prevent it, they had actually provoked it. Lt. Arthur McCollum, head of the Far East desk for U.S. Navy intelligence, wrote a detailed eight-step plan on October 7, 1940 that was designed to provoke an attack.42 FDR immediately set the covert plan in motion. Soon after implementing the final step, Japan attacked Pearl Harbour.
After meeting FDR on October 16, 1941, Secretary of War Henry Stimson wrote: "We face the delicate question of the diplomatic fencing to be done so as to be sure Japan is put into the wrong and makes the first bad move -- overt move.” On November 25, after another meeting with FDR, Stimson wrote: "The question was: how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into the position of firing the first shot.”43
The next day, an insulting “ultimatum” was delivered to the Japanese. The US intercepted a coded Japanese cable calling the ultimatum a “humiliating proposal” and saying they would now prepare for war with the US.44
The US had cracked Japanese diplomatic and military codes.45 A Top Secret Army Board report (October 1944), shows that the US military knew “the probable exact hour and date of the attack.”46 On November 29, 1941, the Secretary of State revealed to a reporter that the attack’s time and place was known. This foreknowledge was reported in the New York Times (Dec. 8, 1941).47
RESPONSE After Pearl Harbour, the US quickly declared war against Japan. With media support, “Remember Pearl Harbour!” became an American rallying cry. On December 11, Germany and Italy declared war on the US.
As the war wound down, decoded messages revelaed to the US military that Japan would soon surrender. They knew the atomic destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was unnecessary. Although nuclear weapons are commonly believed to have ended WWII, they were an opening salvo in the Cold War against the USSR.
REAL REASONS The US used WWII to maneuver itself into a position of superiority over former imperial rivals in Europe. In Parenti’s words the US “became the prime purveyor and guardian of global capitalism.”48 As the only nation wielding nuclear weapons, the US also became the world’s sole superpower.
Read more: http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/2-sanders-r1.1.1.html
(...)
1941: World War II
CONTEXT US fascists opposed President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) from the start. In 1933, “America's richest businessmen were in a panic. Roosevelt intended to conduct a massive redistribution of wealth…[and it] had to be stopped at all costs. The answer was a military coup…secretly financed and organized by leading officers of the Morgan and du Pont empires.”36
A top Wall Street conspirator said: "We need a fascist government in this country…to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built.”37
The Committee on Un-American Activities said: “Sworn testimony showed that the plotters represented notable families -- Rockefeller, Mellon, Pew, Pitcairn, Hutton and great enterprises -- Morgan, Dupont, Remington, Anaconda, Bethlehem, Goodyear, GMC, Swift, Sun.”38
FDR also faced “isolationist” sentiments from such millionaires who shared Hitler’s hatred of communism and had financed Hitler’s rise to power as George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush, predecessors of the current president.39 William R.Hearst, mid-wife of the war with Spain, opposed a war against fascism. Hearst employed Hitler, Mussolini and Goering as writers. He met Hitler in 1934 and used Readers’ Digest and his 33 newspapers to support fascism.40
PRETEXT On December 7, 1941, Japanese bombers attacked the US Pacific Fleet in Pearl Harbour, Hawaii, killing about 2,460.41
FDR, and his closest advisors, not only knew of the attack in advance and did not prevent it, they had actually provoked it. Lt. Arthur McCollum, head of the Far East desk for U.S. Navy intelligence, wrote a detailed eight-step plan on October 7, 1940 that was designed to provoke an attack.42 FDR immediately set the covert plan in motion. Soon after implementing the final step, Japan attacked Pearl Harbour.
After meeting FDR on October 16, 1941, Secretary of War Henry Stimson wrote: "We face the delicate question of the diplomatic fencing to be done so as to be sure Japan is put into the wrong and makes the first bad move -- overt move.” On November 25, after another meeting with FDR, Stimson wrote: "The question was: how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into the position of firing the first shot.”43
The next day, an insulting “ultimatum” was delivered to the Japanese. The US intercepted a coded Japanese cable calling the ultimatum a “humiliating proposal” and saying they would now prepare for war with the US.44
The US had cracked Japanese diplomatic and military codes.45 A Top Secret Army Board report (October 1944), shows that the US military knew “the probable exact hour and date of the attack.”46 On November 29, 1941, the Secretary of State revealed to a reporter that the attack’s time and place was known. This foreknowledge was reported in the New York Times (Dec. 8, 1941).47
RESPONSE After Pearl Harbour, the US quickly declared war against Japan. With media support, “Remember Pearl Harbour!” became an American rallying cry. On December 11, Germany and Italy declared war on the US.
As the war wound down, decoded messages revelaed to the US military that Japan would soon surrender. They knew the atomic destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was unnecessary. Although nuclear weapons are commonly believed to have ended WWII, they were an opening salvo in the Cold War against the USSR.
REAL REASONS The US used WWII to maneuver itself into a position of superiority over former imperial rivals in Europe. In Parenti’s words the US “became the prime purveyor and guardian of global capitalism.”48 As the only nation wielding nuclear weapons, the US also became the world’s sole superpower.
Read more: http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/2-sanders-r1.1.1.html
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