2016: If not Rand, then who?

You guys act like you are going to sit on your thumbs until 2016 rolls around. The likelihood of us winning a presidential election is slim. We have to get liberty-minded people in state government all over the country and in the U.S. Congress. Those are very doable. If we want to make our odds better for a 2016 presidential run, then the more we have gotten elected to leadership positions in the GOP, the easier it is going to be. If we just do nothing until 2016, expect the same results.

QFT

It amazes me at how many people think we can win a presidency, when we don't even have the capability to take half the dog-catcher elections.

Learn to win. Win Small. Win Bigger.

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So I guess I should vote for Romney huh.

A line must be drawn here!This far,NO FURTHER!

No more voting for "the lesser of 2 evils".

If you agree with this then the only choice is libertarian.Ron Pauls beliefs are libertarian.

Trust me if the libertarians start getting 30,40,50% of the vote then the Republican party will come to us.That is the whole purpose of voting.If you want to change things then you must change the way you vote.

Ron Paul, and we, are working on taking over the Republican party. If you want to work against Ron's efforts and ours, that's your choice. Third parties don't matter. Trust me, LP will NEVER get 30-50% of the vote.
 
Let's see if there's a viable libertarian candidate. Jake Hornberger maybe?

Definitely not the libertarian couldabeen gary johnson who other than bob barr is the least libertarian candidate in a while. A phoney.
 
Ron Paul, and we, are working on taking over the Republican party. If you want to work against Ron's efforts and ours, that's your choice. Third parties don't matter. Trust me, LP will NEVER get 30-50% of the vote.

Neither will our movement within the republican party. If this election didn't convince you nothing will.

Further, "majority" doesn't mean a damn thing. We already won many of these states. Last time I looked they didn't report that.

Sorry this one either goes 1776 or just keep rattling your chains! ( when you are allowed to do so of course)
 
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Neither will our movement within the republican party. If this election didn't convince you nothing will.

Further, "majority" doesn't mean a damn thing. We already won many of these states. Last time I looked they didn't report that.

You are being quite contradictory. Which is it?
 
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^^ Except this should be for 2016. No more playing the politics game after Ron Paul. There's so much we could do in the next four years to free so many people, and none of it involves electing representatives. If only we could stop pretending like those guys in suits have legitimate authority to rule us...
 
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Neither will our movement within the republican party. If this election didn't convince you nothing will.

Further, "majority" doesn't mean a damn thing. We already won many of these states. Last time I looked they didn't report that.

Sorry this one either goes 1776 or just keep rattling your chains! ( when you are allowed to do so of course)

I think you're right. If we don't pull a 1776 2.0 we will fall into complete enslavement. However, I fully support taking over the GOP. There's so many ifs and roadblocks in this equation. But it's the best route if we are going to use politics to gain our freedom.
 
LOL@ anyone liking DeMint for President. You guys, he's a sociopathic habitual liar like most others up there! His opinion changes reflect the political winds he licks his finger to guage!

I cannot believe I'm hearing support for that guy from ya'll! Is this movement already THAT over? Holy shit.
 
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Well, why do you think Party affiliation matters?

1. Really? Because a Libertarian, Democrat or whatever won't win the GOP presidential nomination.

Why do you think experience as a politician matters?

2. Nobody takes non-politicians running for President seriously. Media won't let random people on the debate stage. In these past two cycles in which Ron Paul has run for President, the no-experience candidates like John Cox and Fred Karger have made Roemer look like a credible candidate.

I'm not going to waste my time supporting someone who voted for sanctions against Iran, an act of war

3. Who that?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?369263-Senator-Paul-Opposes-new-Iran-Sanctions

1. Why did we run Ron Paul again then? Since he once left the Republican Party and ran Libertarian? Oh yeah, because Party affiliation and Party loyalty are BS, that's why. We're about principles over Party, not the opposite.

2. Nobody took Cain seriously? Last I checked he was ahead in the polls nationally for a while before his extra-marital affairs came to light...something Paul never got in the polls. Oops, there went that argument. The less experience people have in government the better they are for the job. We want less experience in corruption, selling out, and hanging with sociopaths, not more. (BTW, I hate Cain..just saying, it defeats your argument.)

3. Who that? Who that!?! Rand Paul, that's who!!! You don't even know who you';re voting for!!!!! JFC. Is this just about his dad to you, or what? What are we, Dems supporting Kennedy's now?!? Get informed, pay attention, hold these guys accountable, or it's OVER before it began! He added an Amendment to that Bill that basically said 'this act of war is no way to be construed as an act of war'...oh that Orwellian doublethink is MUCH better (/sarcasm). That's what your link calls "blocking the Bill"...lol. I said that in the last post that you quoted too...might want to stop making excuses for him and being a sophist like him now.
 
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I think you're right. If we don't pull a 1776 2.0 we will fall into complete enslavement. However, I fully support taking over the GOP. There's so many ifs and roadblocks in this equation. But it's the best route if we are going to use politics to gain our freedom.

Well, I don't see any possibility of that happening especially considering the fundamentals such as the fact that republicans have never been about smaller Constitutional government in the first place, when in fact the very first gop president was responssible for the destruction of the Constitution and the murder of over 600,000 Americans just to keep that power centralized in washington which in fact is what made it possible for them to construck this giant monstrosity of government we have today. Not quite the freedom lover types.

Now we have fellow "paulians" who are talking about making "citizens arrests" ( maybe they'll like us more if we become police in Tampa. Soon those same folks might justify supporting "just this once" some slimebag republican who 'really sounds good") Incredible if you really stop and think about it. Maybe they'll like us alright.

There is a lowlife ( g s initials) at the kitco forums who I have avoided responding to for a long time because on ONE point he/she's right and that is we're NOT REPUBLICANS! An obvious mental midget this moron will respond to almost every thread about Dr Paul and of course it's off the charts ignorant "except for that one point".

To give you an analogy you think we're going to move in on the gambino's territory and control "the family" by honorable and legal ways. While in a perfect world and a free society ( you woudn't need to even think about that if it was a free society) But we're not freaking mobsters number one and guess what? They ain't givin up territory even if they have to kill us all. Now whether that's by way of keeping all the parents worried about their dumbass kid who signed up for this shit or suddenly the "don't support the war but support the murderers" syndrome which has obviously not been the best route and in fact I would say the very act of doing so ENABLED it to continue and expand. They have this place so bamboozled there are people out there who think it's HONORABLE and are "defending" us when in fact the opposite is true, or if it's slow poisoning us with the crap in the food store, or preventing us from some other alternative forms of healthcare, makes little difference. It's become a movie and we're the ants they are stepping on.

No Mr Kennedy, I do not think that is even in the world of possibility and frankly it makes me admire Dr Paul even more as he's been able to do what no other libertarian has done before and that's get the message out to millions. Even Harry Browne who was the only 3rd party candidate in American history to achieve getting on the ballot in all 50 states couldn't do what Dr Paul has already done. But surely if this election has taught us anything it has ( confirmed to many of us, taught many more ) shown us how rotten to the core this place is and I'm sorry but in 6,000 years of human history, Freedom has only been one one time, it didn't come by posting signs on street corners and it didn't come by way of playing nice nice with the enemy and it lasted for about 100 years and then started a very slow decline with the means to accelerate that decline put in place in 1913 and surely this country has become intelectually, spiritually, morally and financially bankrupt.

It's going to take a fight and I'm convinced that the more people take it, the more we're all going to have to take in the future as they know there's nothing to stop them. They sure as shit haven't obeyed the Constitution, we the people are merely a source of revenue or when younger, canon fodder and paid killers.

Sorry for the long one but I'm as many of us are having some wild swings of my own, watching what happened in louisiand sickened me.......and I've lived full time in a communist country, a monarchy and here and you know what? There ain't that much difference anymore ( which could be another conversation ). Not like it used to be that's for sure and I mean in my lifetime. It's accelerating faster and faster.
 
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I'm behind Rand, and he would be my choice. I think he is the most viable option, since he appears to be already laying early groundwork and building support, so if he decides to do it, he will be in a better position going forward. I'm conflicted about it though (his senate seat, etc). But the best way to help any future candidate is keep doing exactly what we are doing right now, which is focusing on the smaller and local races that we can win....and defending the seats we already have won.
 
Hey I support the Ron Paul Republicans.

I'm just saying right now the libertarian party has most of them.

I won't vote for a Republican just because they are in the Republican party is all I'm saying.

No more voting for the lesser of 2 evils is what I'm saying.NO MORE!!!
 
He's a great public speaker and has great knowledge on freedom and he's mad likable, fuck, don't you just wanna hug the guy? But he's a pretty poor debater.

Anyone can sound smart and indestructable in a speech (and he IS smart) and it's his job on Fox to share his opinion, that he states very well, but when he debated Jon Stewart he was pretty weak.
He was shockingly weak. Christ, I think I could've gave Stewart a better debate and more food for thought on the subjects they discussed.
 
Justin Amash?
Zero name recognition. Zero political clout. Still very green experience-wise. We can hardly fund his House race, let alone a Presidential race. Remember, we need to raise tens of millions of dollars just to compete. Ron raised about 35 million and we were still perpetually underfunded at critical junctures of the campaign.
 
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