2007 Ron Paul Forum alumni "Elwar" is in big trouble - Help is needed

That structure is no island. There are no trees, forests, deserts, mountains. There is no place to hide and no place to go. How is it that the residents were not there when SHTF? Did someone tip them off? Did they know the raid or arrest warrants were in effect ahead of time? Why would they be away from their paradise? Did they leave often? Do they vacation on a yacht that is bigger than their Seastead? It is not like they went out for a walk or down the street to pick up a pack of smokes.
 
invisible said:
Gee, why isn't anyone proposing asking trump to help in this situation?
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Maybe because nobody here is close to Trump? The better question is why isn't anyone calling Rand's office. Trump is a long shot for his position alone but calling Rand should be a no brainer.

Thanks to the people that called their representatives, I hope he and his property gets released and he can go on living his sea steader life.

Edit: Oops, Swords already asked if anyone can contact Rand.
 
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invisible said:
Gee, why isn't anyone proposing asking trump to help in this situation?
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Why would trump help? One is not an American citizen and the other wants to live outside the US control/meddling? You can't very well disassociate from one then ask it for help later. I say this as one that has nothing but respect for them trying and taking that risk.
 
specsaregood said:
Why would trump help? One is not an American citizen and the other wants to live outside the US control/meddling? You can't very well disassociate from one then ask it for help later. I say this as one that has nothing but respect for them trying and taking that risk.
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My curiosity in watching this discussion is with the idea that any politician like Trump or even Rand is even going to start or risk an international relations issue for one person who made his own decisions. What are they supposed to do? threaten sanctions? Represent the U.S. in a conflict to protect this one unfortunate gentleman? At some point reality comes into play.
 
ATruepatriot said:
My curiosity in watching this discussion is with the idea that any politician like Trump or even Rand is even going to start or risk an international relations issue for one person who made his own decisions. What are they supposed to do? threaten sanctions? Represent the U.S. in a conflict to protect this one unfortunate gentleman? At some point reality comes into play.
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Rand, or Massie/Amash could try and contact the Thai govt. and try and work something out. It would be difficult for somebody who isn't a politician to do that.
 
dannno said:
Rand, or Massie/Amash could try and contact the Thai govt. and try and work something out. It would be difficult for somebody who isn't a politician to do that.
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Realistically, Does anyone really think they have time to make all this effort for one expat? Don't get me wrong... I see the brotherly love and direct connection with this situation. But at some point it has to be realized that it is out of their hands and there really is not much they can really do to another nation to help this individual without threats. It very well could be a pipe dream to even think so.

How are they going to work something out? What do they have to offer? Do they even have the legal power to offer or make deals? Are they to pull a Kerry and make deals behind the back of the U.S. in international relations. It's a nice thought and I wish it might be possible but again, at some point reality has to come into play with these things. They just don't care enough or have the time to upset international relations over this.

Unfortunately... They do not hold the purism and principles "to the last man" you are expecting them to hold. They have bigger fish to fry in the "bigger picture". But I would suggest that if you really want to try... Hit them on Twitter, because any other way will be absolutely fruitless and be completely ignored.
 
ATruepatriot said:
Realistically, Does anyone really think they have time to make all this effort for one expat? Don't get me wrong... I see the brotherly love and direct connection with this situation. But at some point it has to be realized that it is out of their hands and there really is not much they can really do to another nation to help this individual without threats. It very well could be a pipe dream to even think so.

How are they going to work something out? What do they have to offer? Do they even have the legal power to offer or make deals? Are they to pull a Kerry and make deals behind the back of the U.S. in international relations. It's a nice thought and I wish it might be possible but again, at some point reality has to come into play with these things. They just don't care enough or have the time to upset international relations over this.

Unfortunately... They do not hold the purism and principles "to the last man" you are expecting them to hold. They have bigger fish to fry in the "bigger picture". But I would suggest that if you really want to try... Hit them on Twitter, because any other way will be absolutely fruitless and be completely ignored.
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Ya we don't know the answer to any of those questions, which is precisely why calling them and talking to them is the best course of action.
 
dannno said:
Ya we don't know the answer to any of those questions, which is precisely why calling them and talking to them is the best course of action.
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More like having them call the state department or our Ambassador to Thailand and asking them to get involved would probably be the proper/best course of action.
 
specsaregood said:
More like having them call the state department or our Ambassador to Thailand and asking them to get involved would probably be the proper/best course of action.
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Ya, whatever they do is fine.. the point is if the Thai govt. doesn't get a call, then they won't think anybody here cares and they might mess with him more.
 
dannno said:
Ya we don't know the answer to any of those questions, which is precisely why calling them and talking to them is the best course of action.
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specsaregood said:
More like having them call the state department or our Ambassador to Thailand and asking them to get involved would probably be the proper/best course of action.
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Honestly... I would love to hear that you did some good... Please keep me updated on how it goes...
 
dannno said:
Ya, whatever they do is fine.. the point is if the Thai govt. doesn't get a call, then they won't think anybody here cares and they might mess with him more.
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And it could cause animosity making his situation even worse. There are whole lot of personal egos involved with this to consider, A local authority in Thailand might be up for reelection and using this as a plank. There is always a bigger picture in reality.
 
specsaregood said:
More like having them call the state department or our Ambassador to Thailand and asking them to get involved would probably be the proper/best course of action.
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The embassy is already involved, according to the article. I think bribes would be the quickest path to expedition.
 
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