2007 Ron Paul Forum alumni "Elwar" is in big trouble - Help is needed

[Schifference]

It probably would have been less risky to be 15 miles off the coast of USA.

 

[Matt Collins]

It probably would have been less risky to be 15 miles off the coast of USA.

The US government would have done the same thing.

Coast Guard would have pulled up to an unflagged vessel and arrested them.

 

[dannno]

The US government would have done the same thing.

Coast Guard would have pulled up to an unflagged vessel and arrested them.

....and executed them?

 

[Working Poor]

(((((Brother Elwar and Sister Summer Girl)))))))

Prayer going out for your freedom.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Punishment befitting of the crime.

One man trespassing into a foreign country's waters is different than an organized invasion of hundreds of thousands or millions of people.

You see, that's called real world common sense, looking at two different situations and realizing, that while there there may be similarities, the differences are greater and would warrant a different response.

There is also a difference between someone who thought they were outside the jurisdiction of a country and someone who purposely trespasses.

 

[Zippyjuan]

There is also a difference between someone who thought they were outside the jurisdiction of a country and someone who purposely trespasses.

Asylum seekers are not trespassers. They knock on the door and ask if they can come in.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Asylum seekers are not trespassers. They knock on the door and ask if they can come in.

If they are lying about their asylum claim (as most of them are) they are trespassers and there are plenty of ordinary trespassers too.

 

[Zippyjuan]

If they are lying about their asylum claim (as most of them are) they are trespassers and there are plenty of ordinary trespassers too.

Courts will decide if they are legit or not.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Asylum seekers are not trespassers. They knock on the door and ask if they can come in.

Trespassing invaders.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Courts will decide if they are legit or not.

And they can fuck right off back to where they came from until a court does decide.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Courts will decide if they are legit or not.

And most of them are not.

We also just need to pull in the welcome mat, we can't afford to grant asylum to all of the legitimate petitioners.

 

[eleganz]

Sorry, but am I the only one that finds this entire thing fishy?

Thailand trying track down an American to kill him because he was in international waters?

So...they found him, forced him to break down the seastead, let him go, and there is now an active manhunt for him? Am I missing something?

Thailand has a major tourism reputation to protect. Americans are some of the biggest travelers to the country. You'd think they would go through some official channels before trying to kill one of us.

I don't buy the story...the whole thing just felt off to me.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Sorry, but am I the only one that finds this entire thing fishy?

Thailand trying track down an American to kill him because he was in international waters?

So...they found him, forced him to break down the seastead, let him go, and there is now an active manhunt for him? Am I missing something?

Thailand has a major tourism reputation to protect. Americans are some of the biggest travelers to the country. You'd think they would go through some official channels before trying to kill one of us.

I don't buy the story...the whole thing just felt off to me.

I have had questions about it too but I don't know enough to say more than just that I have questions.

 

[dannno]

Sorry, but am I the only one that finds this entire thing fishy?

Thailand trying track down an American to kill him because he was in international waters?

So...they found him, forced him to break down the seastead, let him go, and there is now an active manhunt for him? Am I missing something?

Thailand has a major tourism reputation to protect. Americans are some of the biggest travelers to the country. You'd think they would go through some official channels before trying to kill one of us.

I don't buy the story...the whole thing just felt off to me.

I didn't hear anything about them finding him and letting him go.

 

[specsaregood]

Sorry, but am I the only one that finds this entire thing fishy?

Thailand trying track down an American to kill him because he was in international waters?

So...they found him, forced him to break down the seastead, let him go, and there is now an active manhunt for him? Am I missing something?

Thailand has a major tourism reputation to protect. Americans are some of the biggest travelers to the country. You'd think they would go through some official channels before trying to kill one of us.

I don't buy the story...the whole thing just felt off to me.

Somehow they got tipped off that the govt was coming and fled beforehand. they were not there when the officials tore down the seastead.

 

[Schifference]

Do Oil Rigs sport Flags? What country was drilling oil there before? Is the entire incident based on not flying colors?

 

[specsaregood]

Do Oil Rigs sport Flags? What country was drilling oil there before? Is the entire incident based on not flying colors?

Yes they do. They also don't declare themselves independent and arguably invite the aggression.

 

[oyarde]

Do Oil Rigs sport Flags? What country was drilling oil there before? Is the entire incident based on not flying colors?

Ya , they pay taxes , fees , licenses I am sure and are of a certain country and not whatever they want to make up so they are going to be good to go .

 

[Matt Collins]

Brittany wrote a good article about this:


https://fee.org/articles/the-world-s-first-seasteaders-are-now-on-the-run-for-their-lives/

 

[Anti Federalist]

Brittany wrote a good article about this:


https://fee.org/articles/the-world-s-first-seasteaders-are-now-on-the-run-for-their-lives/

Folks are still having issues with this:

45 percent of the earth is still unclaimed and free from any state’s jurisdiction.

That is just flat out not true.

Under UNCLOS, SOLAS, IMO and ILO agreements, any vessel, spar, drilling rig, anything above or below the sea is subject to UN regulations under these and other alphabet soup agencies.

You may be able to dodge these if you are small enough, a small sailing vessel, a tiny spar like Elwar had, BUT you will not be allowed ashore anywhere.

Port State Control will not allow you or your vessel into the country or ashore if you are not in compliance.