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This is the issue with seastedding. As impractical as it is, it's actually a decent idea. But then some corrupt government full of ladyboy fuckers comes along and says some tiny structure is somehow a threat to sovereignty, in waters they don't own. This is why it won't work. Very sad and I hope he escapes somehow.
 
ThePaleoLibertarian said:
This is the issue with seastedding. As impractical as it is, it's actually a decent idea. But then some corrupt government full of ladyboy $#@!ers comes along and says some tiny structure is somehow a threat to sovereignty, in waters they don't own. This is why it won't work. Very sad and I hope he escapes somehow.
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Suppose for a minute that Seasteading became very popular and millions of people set up their Seastead 12NM off the coast of Thailand. Would that have an adverse effect on Thailand?
 
Superfluous Man said:
There are some here who support shooting people suspected of illegally crossing a border on site without a trial.
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Indeed, which is why I do not hang around here so much anymore. The STATISTS, no matter what their screen name is or how they try to sell it have nothing to do with this sites mission, freedom and liberty. They are jack-booted thugs no different than the Fed, LEO and NWO.

Most of the liberty folks I know have fled this forum some time ago with only a few of us left.
 
PAF said:
Indeed, which is why I do not hang around here so much anymore. The STATISTS, no matter what their screen name is or how they try to sell it have nothing to do with this sites mission, freedom and liberty. They are jack-booted thugs no different than the Fed, LEO and NWO.

Most of the liberty folks I know have fled this forum some time ago with only a few of us left.
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Wouldn't you prefer to fight them over there instead of over here?
 
Matt Collins said:
CNN just did a story on him:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/asia/thai-sea-home-us-bitcoin-trader-scli-intl/index.html
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Thailand's navy has said the pair are threatening the country's sovereignty. "By claiming they own a floating house and using social media tried to sell this kind of house, also they claimed that their house is not under any country's sovereignty, which is not true. And this could cause other people to misunderstand and it is threatening our national security," said Colonel Kataporn Kumthieng, the chief of Phuket's Immigration office.
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Is the threat of death penalty the official position of the Thai government, or just some Colonel in an immigration office?
 
Anti Federalist said:
Someone invades my home in the middle of the night with ill intent gets no trial.
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Let's hope the government of Thailand does a better job than some here of recognizing how entering the territory a government considers itself sovereign over is not the same as entering a person's home.
 
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Anti Federalist said:
Someone invades my home in the middle of the night with ill intent gets no trial.
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That 2,000 mile stretch north of the Rio Grande, and unused public land out west and in Alaska... so you have a Private Property Deed to all of that? If so then I back you.
 
PAF said:
That 2,000 mile stretch north of the Rio Grande, and unused public land out west and in Alaska... so you have a Private Property Deed to all of that? If so then I back you.
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If you commit a crime there is it invalid because no one lives there?
 
[FONT=&quot]Thai Navy Tows Home Of Fugitive American Seasteader[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]April 22, 2019 by Reuters[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]A Royal Thai navy ship drags a floating home, lived in by an American man and his Thai partner, in the Andaman Sea, off Phuket Island in Thailand, April 22, 2019. REUTERS/Stringer[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]By Panu Wongcha-um (Reuters) – Thailand’s navy on Monday began towing to shore the floating cabin of a fugitive U.S. citizen and his Thai girlfriend, both prominent members of the “seasteading” movement who face possible death sentences for setting up their offshore home.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The cabin set on top of a spar 14 nautical miles off the Thai island of Phuket had been touted as milestone in the movement to build floating communities in international waters as a way to explore alternative societies and governments.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Authorities have revoked the visa of bitcoin trader Chad Elwartowski, 46, and charged him and his partner, Supranee Thepdet, with violating Thai sovereignty, punishable by the death penalty or life in prison.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The Royal Thai Navy dispatched three boats on Monday to dismantle the structure and bring it back to shore for use as evidence in the government’s case against the couple.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]“The couple announced on social media declaring their autonomy beyond the jurisdiction of any courts or law of any countries, including Thailand,” Rear Admiral Vithanarat Kochaseni told reporters, adding they had invited others to join them.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]“We see such action as deteriorating Thailand’s independence,” he said.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]HTMS Mannai, a landing craft utility ship, was expected to return to Phuket with the six-meter (20 ft) wide, hexagon-shaped cabin by late Monday.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Elwartowski and Supranee lived in the cabin for two months and left before the Thai navy raided the structure on April 13.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Their whereabouts are unknown, though the government has said the pair is believed to be in Thailand.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Elwartowski has referred requests for comment to Ocean Builders, which funded and built the cabin, and the Seasteading Institute, which advocates building offshore floating cities and originally received backing from PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ocean Builders said on its website the cabin was in international waters and beyond Thailand’s jurisdiction. Thai authorities say the structure is within its 200-mile exclusive economic zone and therefore a violation of its sovereignty.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Joe Quirk, president of the Seasteading Institute, said the couple had achieved a milestone for the movement.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]“They proved a single-family seastead can float stably in international waters for less than the cost of the average American home,” Quirk said in a statement.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Elwartowski also conducted valuable research on ecosystems over the two months the couple lived in the cabin, he said.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]“You can demolish the seastead, but you can’t demolish the knowledge that was gained,” said Quirk, who is described by his group as a “seavangelist” and an “aquapreneur”.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Additional reporting by Panarat Thepgumpanat. Editing by Kay Johnson and Darren Schuettler[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Filed Under: Blog Tagged With: seasteading, Thailand[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]https://gcaptain.com/thai-navy-tows-home-of-fugitive-american-seasteader[/FONT]
 
Danke said:
I say we send in [MENTION=27246]oyarde[/MENTION].
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I am not sure I thoroughly understand but I think he is not in custody . They are saying they are revoking his visa . Let us say they have valid passports , if so I would see what kind of airports are available in Laos , start walking and get out of Siam , Malaysia , Cambodia and the rest of the armpit of that entire region and catch a flight into India or something where he would just be regarded a pale tourist until he can get somewhere better . If he can get here I can give him a beer and help he find a more suitable handle than Elwartowski if he is planning on a lifetime of an international crime spree like squatting inside the 200 mile economic zone of Siam. In the old days I would walk into Pakistan from India and Laos from Nam . My advice would be get the fuck out , yesterday . Waiting to see about help puts you in a defensive position making it easier for the govt to find you . When they find you they are intending to jail you even before charges so then you cannot escape .
 
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Schifference said:
Suppose for a minute that Seasteading became very popular and millions of people set up their Seastead 12NM off the coast of Thailand. Would that have an adverse effect on Thailand?
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I dunno . They would be buying things from the place closest to them so .......
 
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