2001 Photo: William Ayers stepping on US flag

[jmdrake]

I never said I supported their violence, I support some of the anti-imperialist views that they held because they are similar to mine as well as other people in this movement including Ron Paul...

Was Bill Ayers against Soviet and Cuban imperialism or just American imperialism? Is Bill Ayers against U.N. imperialism?

 

[Elwar]

Who MAKES YOU pledge allegiance to it? I venture to say that I am quite a lot older than you and NO ONE has EVER MADE ME.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2009/10/06/a10a_pledge_edit_1007.html

The state of Florida requires children to stand and worship a false idol.

 

[Call Me V]

Who MAKES YOU pledge allegiance to it? I venture to say that I am quite a lot older than you and NO ONE has EVER MADE ME.

Tell that to the schools.

I have been suspended several times for not pledging along with other disciplinary actions.

 

[klamath]

I don't really care about the flag stepping deal but the people that try and defend Ayers are sure blinding themselves.
Bill Ayers just doesn't believe in American imperialism but he full well belived in soviet sino imperism. Now start looking up the number of people killed by the system of government and countries he was backing and to compare Bush to them and say he killed more is so far out there that the only reason I even respond is because I want those that are interested in RP not to think all RP people are that twisted.

 

[Light]

Wow, I can't believe there are people on this forums that actually support a communist nutjob that would have killed millions of people if he could. Its amazing that these same people are unwilling to work with Republicans, yet consider commies their ideological bosom buddies. What the heck happened to this place?

 

[dannno]

Can somebody point out a particular poster on this thread who is "supporting" the WU???

Nobody is that I can see, yet at least 10 people have said it. Absolutely incredible.

All I've said is that Bush is a million times worse because he's done a million times more damage. On top of that, one of Ron Paul's #1 issues is American Imperialism. WU's #1 issue was American Imperialism. Perspective, that's all we're saying.

 

[Light]

Ayers had not problem with Soviet imperialism or communist imperialism. Imperialism is imperialism. Just because Stalin and the Allies shared a common enemy, did not make him a friend or a good person. People too seldom forget that the number one mass murderering regimes and imperialism of the 20th-century was of the communist variety.

 

[dannno]

Was Bill Ayers against Soviet and Cuban imperialism or just American imperialism? Is Bill Ayers against U.N. imperialism?

I'm not talking about Bill Ayers, I'm not defending Bill Ayers. I'm saying that a lot of the people in the WU were motivated by ending US Imperialism, not by creating a Communist Utopia THROUGH ending US imperialism.. US imperialism is what they were going after, and this group was serious about ending it.

 

[constituent]

Meh, the weather underground = walt hippeyland

Everyone sucks, imo.

 

[dannno]

weather underground

The good and the bad.

The state was being violent against peaceful protesters. This wasn't the WU instigating shit, this was them fighting back. They felt they needed to end the war ASAP. They decided they needed to do what they could do to end it. That is the bulk of their story. Throw in some leftist ideology and that's all she wrote.

How anybody could compare this movement that killed a couple people to the neocon imperialist movement that has killed millions is beyond me.

 

[Justinjj1]

Ayers had not problem with Soviet imperialism or communist imperialism. Imperialism is imperialism. Just because Stalin and the Allies shared a common enemy, did not make him a friend or a good person. People too seldom forget that the number one mass murderering regimes and imperialism of the 20th-century was of the communist variety.

Please link me to any information that shows Ayers supported Soviet Imperialism. And Stalin was long dead whenever the WU was active.

 

[Light]

YouTube - FBI Agent Talking About Bill Ayers

I know that Stalin was long dead by the time the neo-leftists emerged.

I seriously think this board is being invaded by socialists and leftists from othe sites. They pretty much admitted that they are doing this.

 

[dannno]

YouTube - FBI Agent Talking About Bill Ayers

I know that Stalin was long dead by the time the neo-leftists emerged.

I seriously think this board is being invaded by socialists and leftists from othe sites. They pretty much admitted that they are doing this.

Stop citing some FBI freak from the real documentary I just posted as "evidence" of what they said in their meetings.


And are you saying that I am invading this board??

 

[Light]

Stop citing some FBI freak from the real documentary I just posted as "evidence" of what they said in their meetings.


And are you saying that I am invading this board??

So all people in the FBI are untrustworthy. Nice collectivism.

Also, I have been noticing it for a while.

 

[familydog]

Meet the man who launched Obama's Illinois senate campaign
who ghost wrote Obama's first book
who visited the White House 2 times already...

admitted communist...terrorist....cop killer...America hater....Bill Ayers

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Z5IE4BFBcPc/SB9G-geSrdI/AAAAAAAAB8k/kxPbxwZL_TY/s400/Ayers+flag.jpg

The symbol has lost all meaning to me. I really can't condemn the man for doing it.

Our natural rights do not come from a flag. Maybe the reason why rights have lost meaning to many people is they look to the flag to find them, rather than within themselves. When one looks to the flag to find their rights one looks to the government to find the same.

 

[dannno]

So all people in the FBI are untrustworthy. Nice collectivism.

I didn't say that, I just said that I watched a 2 hour documentary about the group, and that was the ONLY evidence I have seen of them talking about that kind of stuff. I'm not going to assume it happened just cause that asshat said so. He didn't say who said anything, he didn't mention that Ayers said anything in particular so it could have been agent provacateurs talking about killing people, and this guy was just talking about what his FBI buddies were saying.

I also told you that you'd be foolish to think that there weren't MORE agent provocateurs in the WU. Maybe Ayers was an agent provocateur, I have no friggin idea. You're still missing the point we're making. Nobody here is supporting there group and nobody here is supporting socialism... So please stop lying and saying that people here are doing that.

We're just saying that it's ridiculous to conflate this group into something that they are not.. they killed like 4 people or something.. Bush killed Millions.. American imperialism has killed hundreds of millions of people.. This group was FIGHTING that imperialism the best way that they knew how.

 

[LibertyEagle]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2009/10/06/a10a_pledge_edit_1007.html

The state of Florida requires children to stand and worship a false idol.

Wrong.

state law that requires all students at least to stand for the pledge and requires parental permission to abstain from reciting the pledge.

That's from your own article. Thus, you can opt out of pledging.

Look, I don't agree with forcing anyone to pledge allegiance to the flag. And I certainly understand why some wouldn't want to do that; especially now. But, you have to understand that the flag means something different to a lot of Americans, than it does to you. To many of us, it doesn't equate to the scum in our government, but the principles upon which our country was founded. In the end, it's just a symbol. But, one I would prefer not to see someone stomping on. We get plenty of that in reality with the forementioned scum occupying our government.

 

[Light]

Every single day I am becoming increasingly disillusioned with this forum. I keep trying to find sites with a large community of constitutionalists and paleo-conservatives, however, they don't really exist on the internetz, or at least in large numbers.

And communists have killed more people than any American administration has.

 

[dannno]

And communists have killed more people than any American administration has.

That's very possible.. but if you watch the entire documentary you will find that the #1 issue for the members of WU was US Imperialism... the ideology came second as a solution. They were against the war for the same reasons we are against the illegal US wars today. I agree it was the wrong solution they came up with, but I give people points for recognizing the PROBLEM.. why?? Because most people never understood the problem of US Imperialism, and most people still do not.

Secondly, we are talking about the WU, they killed a few people, so why you are citing a statistic that Communism has killed tens of millions if not hundreds is beyond me..

Every single day I am becoming increasingly disillusioned with this forum. I keep trying to find sites with a large community of constitutionalists and paleo-conservatives, however, they don't really exist on the internetz, or at least in large numbers.

Do I have to say that I disagree with socialism and communism 58 times before you believe me, or do I have to say it 126 times?

I believe in the Constitution too, but I refuse to go around yelling about some group that didn't do jack shit and believed a lot of the same things we know today to be true about US imperialism. It's a waste of time and it would make me look ridiculous.

 

[dannno]

Wrong.



That's from your own article. Thus, you can opt out of pledging.

Look, I don't agree with forcing anyone to pledge allegiance to the flag. And I certainly understand why some wouldn't want to do that; especially now. But, you have to understand that the flag means something different to a lot of Americans, than it does to you. To many of us, it doesn't equate to the scum in our government, but the principles upon which our country was founded. In the end, it's just a symbol. But, one I would prefer not to see someone stomping on. We get plenty of that in reality with the forementioned scum occupying our government.

Wait, I thought the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist? Have I been misinformed?