2/5 Laura Ingraham interview with Rand Paul (17 min)

[georgiaboy]

The fact is that Republicans have to give a little bit on the immigration issue if they ever want to win another election. The demographics of the country are changing rapidly, and that can't just be ignored. That doesn't mean that the Republicans should just support a full fledged amnesty, but they also have to be careful about the rhetoric they use. They can't just advocate rounding up 11 million illegal immigrants and sending them all home. Rand understands this.

I get the need to be thoughtful and tempered when discussing the issue, because it's divisive by its very subject.

I get the GOP perception issue.

I get the demographics.

I just wonder if there aren't other, better ways than this to come at the issue of growing the party and outreach to these voter groups.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Laura is right about immigration. Allow amnesty and the country becomes California.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

You really should not generalize hispanics. The Hispanic vote will become more and more important regardless of what happens with immigration. How do YOU recommend that we win the hispanic vote?

Agree. Everyone is an individual. The GOP or right wing Hispanics that I know are opposed to amnesty. The left wing, Rachel Maddow loving Hispanics I know love to call other people racist, and support amnesty. Not a single one of them would change which Party they vote for, no matter what happens.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

That was interesting. Thanks for posting it. Man, she sure hammered him about illegal immigration. Well, all Republicans.

Yep, Ingraham is one of the few willing to buck the system on that issue. Unfortunately, Rand was sounding more like the candidate from the US Chamber of Commerce. Good for him I guess. They have deep pockets, if they accept hm, he'll get plenty of help for his Presidential run.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Agree. Everyone is an individual. The GOP or right wing Hispanics that I know are opposed to amnesty. The left wing, Rachel Maddow loving Hispanics I know love to call other people racist, and support amnesty. Not a single one of them would change which Party they vote for, no matter what happens.

On second thought, the Hispanics I know who support amnesty really only support it for Hispanics. They don't want any more immigration from Asia. They would probably support an "American union" type Amnesty that excludes people not from the Americas.

 

[serenityrick]

The fact is that Republicans have to give a little bit on the immigration issue if they ever want to win another election. The demographics of the country are changing rapidly, and that can't just be ignored. That doesn't mean that the Republicans should just support a full fledged amnesty, but they also have to be careful about the rhetoric they use. They can't just advocate rounding up 11 million illegal immigrants and sending them all home. Rand understands this.

Ugh. No. Just no.

 

[jjdoyle]

Rand just thinks that we have to at least take a "reasonable" or less harsh position on the immigration issue before Hispanics will even listen to us and our ideas.

Well, I don't know what could be less harsh than amnesty. There might be some groups, you just can't win.
Even Mitt Romney, whose dad was born in Mexico, didn't win the majority of their votes. He actually received less percentage of their votes than Bush in 2004, and less than McCain in 2008.

So, maybe the only thing to win their votes, would be learning to speak Spanish and touting it and making a pitch for more bilingual government programs? Then you will lose the Republican base and voters that want "English as the official" language.

Maybe, Rand could promise some of them to fly them back home to visit their families paid for by the U.S. government? More benefits? I mean, I'm in a "Sanctuary" city pretty much, and it is basically a Democrat haven. If you run for public office as a Republican in the city, you are wasting your time.

Maybe, since many Hispanic immigrants seem to have Catholic ties, Rand could convert to Catholicism and pray the Pope issues and edict to only vote Republican, or leave the Church?

 

[RandallFan]

The GOP needs NH, Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio and/or Wisconsin.

In Iowa you have Steve King and Grassley. Both amnesty opponents.
In Colorado you have Buck and Tancredo.
In Nevada you have some amnesty supporters like Amodei, Joe Heck and Dean Heller.
In Wisconsin you have Paul Ryan and Scott Walker (who pretends he is not for amnesty).

I dont see how a GOP presidential candidate can go in to Iowa or Colorado and distance themselves from these guys if they want enough turnout in the state.

Jews and Black voters dont vote Democrat because of their level of work ethic. In a way Hispanic outreach implies the GOP thinks Black voters just want free stuff.

Italians and Polish Americans didn't vote for FDR because they wanted free stuff.

 

[Brett85]

Ugh. No. Just no.

"No" when it comes to not sending 11 million illegal immigrants home? I said that they shouldn't advocate full fledged amnesty or a "path to citizenship," but to think that we can just have government agents break into people's homes and ship them off in buses and take them home isn't realistic, and the Republican Party would never again win another election.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

"No" when it comes to not sending 11 million illegal immigrants home? I said that they shouldn't advocate full fledged amnesty or a "path to citizenship," but to think that we can just have government agents break into people's homes and ship them off in buses and take them home isn't realistic, and the Republican Party would never again win another election.

Strawman says what? Who has suggested that?

 

[RandallFan]

The GOP shouldn't legalize them so they get EBT cards, jobs at banks,etc. and Driving privileges.

It costs money to type in the names of 12 million illegals into a database. It would be cheaper to do nothing. Also the more legal they get the more grounds they have to start lawsuits for tuition.

Democrats don't let The constitution get in the way of their political goals of executive amnesty. Republican Presidential Candidates will have a problem explaining how they will outpander Democrats when Republicans seem to care more about The Constitution. Obama doesn't care so he bypasses congress.

Rand should be letting Boehner fall on the sword for this idea.

12 million illegals wont all sign up. That is why so many Latinos aren't signing up to Obamacare. They are worried their parents will get deported.

5 years after amnesty will they start rounding up the illegals who chose to stay in the shadows? Arguably the better illegals who don't want free stuff.