15-year-old who streaked at football game commits suicide, faced sex offender reg. & expulsion

[Anti Federalist]

Had this poor kid lived, it would have been a perfect jury nullification case.

God damn any juror that would have convicted.

 

[Carlybee]

Thank God men never overreach and overreact.

Yeah like the disgruntled ones who walk into their workplace and start opening fire.

 

[phill4paul]

Had this poor kid lived, it would have been a perfect jury nullification case.

God damn any juror that would have convicted.

Excepting that very few juries know or have been told about nullification. Personally, I think it should be a preamble to any court preceding.

 

[tod evans]

Excepting that very few juries know or have been told about nullification. Personally, I think it should be a preamble to any court preceding.

Be a good start...

 

[kahless]

Excepting that very few juries know or have been told about nullification. Personally, I think it should be a preamble to any court preceding.

It is not as easy as I thought it would be. I had jury duty recently and I was surprised that even the defense kept hammering on the point of following the law even if you do not agree with it. The Judge, Prosecution and defense attorney all kept making that point repeatedly

They kept questioning me all different ways on this. I did not expect that and on top of being sick, it was all too easy to be honest.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Excepting that very few juries know or have been told about nullification. Personally, I think it should be a preamble to any court preceding.

I agree.

At least, in New Hampshire anyway, you are allowed to explain it in your defense arguments.

Outside, it's AmeriKa, where people go to jail for telling people about jury nullification.

 

[phill4paul]

It is not as easy as I thought it would be. I had jury duty recently and I was surprised that even the defense kept hammering on the point of following the law even if you do not agree with it. The Judge, Prosecution and defense attorney all kept making that point repeatedly

They kept questioning me all different ways on this. I did not expect that and on top of being sick, it was all too easy to be honest.

These days I think the best tact is to just STFU and wait until you are in deliberation. I kick myself in the ass over a DUI case in which I said to much to be considered by the prosecutor.

 

[kahless]

These days I think the best tact is to just STFU and wait until you are in deliberation. I kick myself in the ass over a DUI case in which I said to much to be considered by the prosecutor.

I felt the same way over a DWI case. They expected more than yes or no answers, I froze a bit since I suck a lying and ended up telling the truth.

What was interesting was the outrage that came from some of the other jurors over my opinion whom immediately came to the defense of the police and DWI laws. An even number defended me. I got kicked off, but the jurors that got so outraged by my opinion were kicked off to.

 

[Lindsey]

It is not as easy as I thought it would be. I had jury duty recently and I was surprised that even the defense kept hammering on the point of following the law even if you do not agree with it. The Judge, Prosecution and defense attorney all kept making that point repeatedly

This was my experience too. They basically told the jury they had exactly the opposite of nullification rights.

 

[phill4paul]

I felt the same way over a DWI case. They expected more than yes or no answers, I froze a bit since I suck a lying and ended up telling the truth.

What was interesting was the outrage that came from some of the other jurors over my opinion whom immediately came to the defense of the police and DWI laws. An even number defended me. I got kicked off, but the jurors that got so outraged by my opinion were kicked off to.

About the way it went for me too. I dunno. Did we do good or bad? I suck at lying too. Even if it is for what some might deem "the right reasons."

 

[kahless]

This was my experience too. They basically told the jury they had exactly the opposite of nullification rights.

Exactly.

 

[kahless]

About the way it went for me too. I dunno. Did we do good or bad? I suck at lying too. Even if it is for what some might deem "the right reasons."

Who knows, maybe it gives the remaining ones something to think about.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I had jury duty recently and I was surprised that even the defense kept hammering on the point of following the law even if you do not agree with it. The Judge, Prosecution and defense attorney all kept making that point repeatedly.

No real surprise here. Just system drones droning for the system ...

 

[jmdrake]

but going naked in public is completely sane. Got it.

It depends. Does the person go out in public naked all the time and claim he/she has no choice in the matter because he/she was born that way? (Technically we are all born naked but that's beside the point). Personally I neither think that homosexuality is a "mental imbalance" nor do I think it is a "genetic state". I think it is a choice and/or a result of emotional trauma. That's just been my experience from the people I know. And I'm sure others have many different personal experiences. And I think homosexuality is totally different from transgender. One is about who you choose to love. The other is about who you think you are. You are who you are and altering your body to be something else physically doesn't change who you are even if you think it does. If I take some magic pill that makes me turn white, I'm still black. I wouldn't want to take that kind of magic pill. I may have once as a child, but that was a sign of mental imbalance in my opinion. I pity the black girls in the experiment who consistently choose the white doll as being prettier than the black doll and think themselves as ugly. And I pity the boy who looks in the mirror and thinks he's ugly but that he would be pretty if he was a girl. Does that mean I hate him? I don't think so. I don't hate him any more than I hate those poor misguided black girls that think they are ugly. And yes, I know there are some children (very rare) that are actually born with both genders, the doctors choose and make what in retrospect was the wrong choice. I'm not talking about them. They were born with a physical abnormality the same way someone with no legs or an extra finger was born with a physical abnormality.

 

[angelatc]

they really need a device to measure when a hormone incident is taking place anytime with a woman at a work place..
most urgent medicine innovation need of the century

Dried up old hag was probably only offended that he was running away from her.

 

[Origanalist]

Dried up old hag was probably only offended that he was running away from her.

And he was covered with a sock.

 

[jmdrake]

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Thanks for posting this. It's still a crying same that:

1) An assistant principle was such a retard that she thought that using "scare tactics" was the way to deal with this. Terrorist? Really? WTF?

2) The national U.S. media is sitting on the story.

3) That there is a partial truth in what the b-witch said in that trivial crap can end you up on a sex offender list which was really designed for potential child murderers.

And now I have to add a fourth crying shame.

4) That the dad in the story wasn't connected enough to his son to know that he (the son) needed his father's reassurance at that time rather than his condemnation. And I'm not saying this to condemn the dad either. I've definitely made my share of screw ups as a father. I was recently pushing my sons to practice for the basketball team. They had both said they wanted to be on it and in my heart I knew that neither was good enough yet and I didn't want them to be disappointed. But for the life of me I couldn't get them to practice. The last day before tryouts they did and while they made improvements, and while I did my best to be encouraging, neither one really did that well and all three of us knew it. One son came up to me crying saying "I'm sorry I'm not the son you want me to be." I was like "What the hell?" (I didn't say that but I thought it.) I explained to him that while there was no choice in him doing academics, I only pushed in on basketball because he said he wanted it and I wanted him to do his best. But beyond that I didn't care. I'm only "disappointed" when he hurts someone else, and even then I still love him and his brother. Once my other son, after watching a video about teen suicide, said "I hope I don't suicide". I was like "What are you talking about." Well...he was upset because he had taken a cookie that at school that he though was free and later he found out he had to pay for it, so he thought he was a "thief". (Yes, that son is that sensitive). I told him that accidentally taking something doesn't make you a thief and that at any rate there is nothing worth killing yourself over. Life goes on regardless of what you do. This boy needed someone to tell him that even if this dumbass assistant principal had been right, and that he was going to be branded a sex offender, that his life could still be fulfilling and have meaning. Jeeze this story tears me up every time I think about it.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

i would disagree. have you ever been pushed to the edge of life? i suspect not...or at least the edge according to your mind. ive been there myself and couldnt understand how i was even considering suicide. everyone has a breaking point.

No but committing suicide does (or at least mental instability)

 

[Carlybee]

i would disagree. have you ever been pushed to the edge of life? i suspect not...or at least the edge according to your mind. ive been there myself and couldnt understand how i was even considering suicide. everyone has a breaking point.

Nope, but my brother committed suicide and he was mentally unstable due to various illnesses related to a brain injury at birth. Yes he met his breaking point, but he had issues to begin with.

 

[phill4paul]

Thanks for posting this. It's still a crying same that:

1) An assistant principle was such a retard that she thought that using "scare tactics" was the way to deal with this. Terrorist? Really? WTF?

2) The national U.S. media is sitting on the story.

3) That there is a partial truth in what the b-witch said in that trivial crap can end you up on a sex offender list which was really designed for potential child murderers.

And now I have to add a fourth crying shame.

4) That the dad in the story wasn't connected enough to his son to know that he (the son) needed his father's reassurance at that time rather than his condemnation. And I'm not saying this to condemn the dad either. I've definitely made my share of screw ups as a father. I was recently pushing my sons to practice for the basketball team. They had both said they wanted to be on it and in my heart I knew that neither was good enough yet and I didn't want them to be disappointed. But for the life of me I couldn't get them to practice. The last day before tryouts they did and while they made improvements, and while I did my best to be encouraging, neither one really did that well and all three of us knew it. One son came up to me crying saying "I'm sorry I'm not the son you want me to be." I was like "What the hell?" (I didn't say that but I thought it.) I explained to him that while there was no choice in him doing academics, I only pushed in on basketball because he said he wanted it and I wanted him to do his best. But beyond that I didn't care. I'm only "disappointed" when he hurts someone else, and even then I still love him and his brother. Once my other son, after watching a video about teen suicide, said "I hope I don't suicide". I was like "What are you talking about." Well...he was upset because he had taken a cookie that at school that he though was free and later he found out he had to pay for it, so he thought he was a "thief". (Yes, that son is that sensitive). I told him that accidentally taking something doesn't make you a thief and that at any rate there is nothing worth killing yourself over. Life goes on regardless of what you do. This boy needed someone to tell him that even if this dumbass assistant principal had been right, and that he was going to be branded a sex offender, that his life could still be fulfilling and have meaning. Jeeze this story tears me up every time I think about it.

You're a good dad jmdrake! I do agree that this kid's father bears some of the responsibility. People today get to caught up in the B.S. of life. His dad was probably freaking out and worried about his kids future college chances instead of paying attention to the heart of the matter.