$12.50 asking too much

[Luciconsort]

next Cannibal Corpse show I go to I'll hand out fliers in the pit. Prolly be hard to persuade anyone of anything after I crack your ribs to a rousing chorus of "Stabbed in the throat" lol.... just lightening the mood

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Dj,

I live 15 minutes from Electric Forest. I can have 10-20 full size Ron Paul 4x4 signs made to be placed at or near the venue. I also can work to redo the "ozz fest" fliers to change them for 2012 campaign. I also know the campground host at the Double JJ resort where the festival is located. I can try to get permission to have signs at the campground. Once I get the fliers designed, if you want to arrange to pick them up from me I can get a chip-in for the printing costs.

 

[DjLoTi]

The difference is that's actually a legitimately good idea. And now you're acting like that was the plan so that you can hold it over our heads in the hopes of getting more donations. That's not what the grassroots is about. This isn't blackmail.

Uh, yeah it's a great idea. And you might even think so. I do too. But I am sure I would get bashed and it would be madness and chaos to try and get something serious like that going. If I can't even do this without getting bashed and reamed, why on earth would would I spend even more time and work even harder and spend more of my own scarce resources so I can do things on my own? Of course, it wouldn't matter, because there's no way I could do that on my own anyway.

I think I am just gonna talk to Utah about the flier design and he can raise the money for the printing cost. I will walk away from this knowing not to ask for help anymore about my ideas. Like I said, these people won't learn about RP through osmosis. Someone actually has to make the connections. It costs money to get and go to this festival. ... eh ... I'm done explaining myself.

I mean even when I djed at a pool party for free for a group of like 12-15 people, I still got tipped 10 bucks. And those were college kids. I'm not saying people have to contribute, but for people to act like it's some kind of outrageous thing for me to ask for backing when I'm going to be grinding hard...

Yeah lets just say, go and find somebody who will do what I will do for free. I like to think I am kind of professional, so I consider all costs associated, including my personal time, and the efforts it will take to do what I plan to do. If you guys want to scoff at the idea that I should be paid, then have the official campaign do all your work for you. They're the ones who've raised millions of dollars and are on a payroll.

And then come up with ideas for them to do and then do them. Hopefully it'll work. I'm going to stay out of it for now. But I will say thanks to those who are cool and to those who will help us get some stuff printed. Don't worry about me - I'm just a Ron Paul robot that runs on nothing (lol SI)

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

We're in an economic depression that Ron Paul predicted 4 years ago. I just don't have the money to donate this time around. I maxed out last time and funded all kinds of grassroots projects (including my own, never asked for a chip-in).

I'm halfway to maxing out to Ron Paul's current campaign this time around after selling furniture to afford it. Those donations were made before you made your post. So for me, I just can't afford to donate like I did 4 years ago. Sorry if that is disappointing, I'm sure you have a just cause, I just can't afford it.

In other news I'm still putting fliers under people's wipes blades at parking lots.

this. the vast majority of us work for free. And it costs us money to do so. I understand being tipped for your time. I understand getting paid. But this is a Presidential election. There is a reason you see the word "volunteer" everywhere. There isn't money to pay for all the cool ideas people have.

If you are 100% serious about restoring freedom, then you will find a way to implement your ideas. If asking for donations didn't work, fine. Go sell some cookies. Do whatever you have to do, but don't say, 'people were jerks so I'm not going to be involved this time'. WTF is that? This isn't going to be easy, ESPECIALLY since we are in a depression. If you feel like you are a professional and should get paid, great! Go get paid! But don't expect the Ron Paul grassroots to pay you! Do what the rest of us do and channel money from our income into the movement. The grassroots is NOT a source of income.

 

[DjLoTi]

Maybe people should start asking for help more often. Don't get mad at me because I am comfortable with putting myself out there and asking for help. I didn't think I would get bashed at the level I did, though. We should all be helping each other, not going rouge and keeping secrets. We're supposed to be a team. But I am really turned off by the reaction of many. So that has left an impression, for sure.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

this. the vast majority of us work for free. And it costs us money to do so. I understand being tipped for your time. I understand getting paid. But this is a Presidential election. There is a reason you see the word "volunteer" everywhere. There isn't money to pay for all the cool ideas people have.

If you are 100% serious about restoring freedom, then you will find a way to implement your ideas. If asking for donations didn't work, fine. Go sell some cookies. Do whatever you have to do, but don't say, 'people were jerks so I'm not going to be involved this time'. WTF is that? This isn't going to be easy, ESPECIALLY since we are in a depression. If you feel like you are a professional and should get paid, great! Go get paid! But don't expect the Ron Paul grassroots to pay you! Do what the rest of us do and channel money from our income into the movement. The grassroots is NOT a source of income.

Here's a volunteer's project/chipin that worked out.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?296730-Want-to-attend-need-gas-ChipIn-ready-FILLED

Maybe look at what she did and her approach, compared to yours, DjLoti.

 

[DjLoTi]

Here's a volunteer's project/chipin that worked out.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?296730-Want-to-attend-need-gas-ChipIn-ready-FILLED

Maybe look at what she did and her approach, compared to yours, DjLoti.

Ok, so there is a fundamental difference. She was raising money to go to an event, basically to enjoy (and vote for Ron Paul which takes about 5 minutes). I was planning on spending (combined with me and my friend) at least 25 man hours talking to people and handing out fliers, and printing out fliers, which also costs money. '

There is also a fundamental difference in the reaction. People didn't say 'omg I would love to go have fun, I wish someone would pay for me to go have a trip in NOLA'. Nor did people say ' Oh yeah, what a SCAM! Send me $300 and I will go party on bourbon st for a weekend!! '

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Maybe people should start asking for help more often. Don't get mad at me because I am comfortable with putting myself out there and asking for help. I didn't think I would get bashed at the level I did, though. We should all be helping each other, not going rouge and keeping secrets. We're supposed to be a team. But I am really turned off by the reaction of many. So that has left an impression, for sure.

We are nothing like a team ! And that's a good thing. We are what most of us want. Total freedom to do as we please. Sometimes, the masses seem to all be going in the same direction. Most of the time, everyone is just doing what they do.

We do help each other, when we think it's necessary. Just because you think help should be coming your direction doesn't mean the rest of us all think that way too. It's very hard getting projects off the ground. I've had projects that have failed, too. When that happens, you just move on to the next.

It's like these moneybombs. You take a pivotal role in raising a hell of a lot of money for Dr. Paul, and then you identify with that. You think that you are the head dude when it comes to moneybombs. When in reality, you were in the right place at the right time.

Like Dr. Paul says in "For Liberty", . . .Ideas move nations, not individuals. Unless they are in the right place at the right time.

Ideas move the Grassroots, not individuals, unless they are in the right place at the right time.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Ok, so there is a fundamental difference. She was raising money to go to an event, basically to enjoy (and vote for Ron Paul which takes about 5 minutes). I was planning on spending (combined with me and my friend) at least 25 man hours talking to people and handing out fliers, and printing out fliers, which also costs money. '

There is also a fundamental difference in the reaction. People didn't say 'omg I would love to go have fun, I wish someone would pay for me to go have a trip in NOLA'. Nor did people say ' Oh yeah, what a SCAM! Send me $300 and I will go party on bourbon st for a weekend!! '

Specifically, she was raising money for gas. She already had a ride, a place to stay, a ticket. Everything was in place, she just needed fuel to get there. And it was an event where Ron Paul and actual voters would be. It wasn't a non-political concert. There was direction, purpose, and a plan with Suzu. And everyone knew exactly where the money they donated was going.


*It was very that clear she wasn't getting "paid".

 

[DjLoTi]

Ok, well, a 1-way ticket was $140. The festival ticket is $250. The greyhound to Boston will cost $110. The ticket to camp bisco will cost $160. Eventually, I'll need to get home, so hopefully that will only be $150. I'm not sure how much printing will cost. And again, if 25 man-hours really has no value to you guys, then that is sad. My 'goal' was only $500. My costume is actually worth over $150. I pretty much have everything paid for because I work hard and I make things happen. I was going to compound my activism to possibly lower my personal total cost to my adventure (and make a difference, of course!). But I have given up on those hopes. I suppose there is only a certain element the 'grassroots' will respond to

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Ok, well, a 1-way ticket was $140. The festival ticket is $250. The greyhound to Boston will cost $110. The ticket to camp bisco will cost $160. Eventually, I'll need to get home, so hopefully that will only be $150. I'm not sure how much printing will cost. And again, if 25 man-hours really has no value to you guys, then that is sad. My 'goal' was only $500. My costume is actually worth over $150. I pretty much have everything paid for because I work hard and I make things happen. I was going to compound my activism to possibly lower my personal total cost to my adventure (and make a difference, of course!). But I have given up on those hopes. I suppose there is only a certain element the 'grassroots' will respond to

See, It's hard for me to see the pay off for Ron Paul. For instance,...

http://iowaforronpaul.com/projects.php

Operation: Grassroots Each County: $550 Full Funding: $54,450
Grassroots support is THE way to build momentum and create a “buzz” around a candidate. And no candidate has more grassroots support than Ron Paul!
Our goal is to be competitive in EVERY county in the state of Iowa. That means we will need to build a solid campaign organization in all 99 counties.
Every $500 we raise will allow us to firmly establish ourselves in one county and grow our support by leaps and bounds.
Precinct information, contact lists, voter data, campaign literature, and other necessary supplies are absolutely vital to reaching out to more grassroots supporters and building a county infra-structure. We will prove to the nation that Ron Paul and his supporters are fully capable of successful organization.
With your help we can ensure Ron Paul builds a foundation of support in every county in the state!

For about the same amount of money, we can get another county in Iowa with "Operation: Grassroots". People would be much more willing to donate there.

 

[CaseyJones]

http://www.iowaforronpaul.com/projects.php better use of $500 or even $12.50 imo

 

[DjLoTi]

The payoff is, I'm going to be going from group to group handing out fliers and telling people that the only way to end the wars is to register republican, vote Ron Paul, and tell all your friends to do it! The payoff is, I get hundreds, maybe thousands of people excited about ending the wars, and they go home and tell their friends and family, ect ect. These huge masses of people only happen ONCE A YEAR. This is OUR ONLY CHANCE to get all these people AT ONCE!!! If you guys are wondering where the enthusiastic grassroots is, they're probably living a normal life and doing 'cool' things, I mean I am reaching out to an entirely different demographic, on an entirely different level. Out of all the people I talk to, perhaps a fraction of them would donate to Ron Paul. I imagine it is easily possible that he would raise over $500 from the people I will interact with alone.

But I am not going to keep reiterating over and over to make it seem like my idea has some sort of value. I mean, there will probably be more people here then people who live in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_County,_Iowa

I bet my 20,000 people will be a lot more receptive then every man, woman, and child in these counties. So actually, when you put it in that perspective, my $500 is actually somewhat of a deal

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

The great thing about grassroots and volunteering is that the cost involved is "your time" and the pay is "the experience" you receive while doing it. You don't get paid to volunteer, if you want to then sign on with the official campaign because last cycle there were guys getting decent pay for sure... didn't do us any good however BUT shit paid staffers can sometimes accomplish what we grassroots might not be able to.

 

[Cowlesy]

Ok, well, a 1-way ticket was $140. The festival ticket is $250. The greyhound to Boston will cost $110. The ticket to camp bisco will cost $160. Eventually, I'll need to get home, so hopefully that will only be $150. I'm not sure how much printing will cost. And again, if 25 man-hours really has no value to you guys, then that is sad. My 'goal' was only $500. My costume is actually worth over $150. I pretty much have everything paid for because I work hard and I make things happen. I was going to compound my activism to possibly lower my personal total cost to my adventure (and make a difference, of course!). But I have given up on those hopes. I suppose there is only a certain element the 'grassroots' will respond to

Hey you can always raise the cash on dailypaul and then post it here to show how much more awesome those guys are!

 

[DjLoTi]

Yeah I am really just done asking for help or suggesting my ideas. I'm just going to run on my own initiative and do my own thing. You guys can have best of luck with your projects and ideas.

 

[Danke]

Ok, well, a 1-way ticket was $140. The festival ticket is $250. The greyhound to Boston will cost $110. The ticket to camp bisco will cost $160. Eventually, I'll need to get home, so hopefully that will only be $150. I'm not sure how much printing will cost. And again, if 25 man-hours really has no value to you guys, then that is sad. My 'goal' was only $500. My costume is actually worth over $150. I pretty much have everything paid for because I work hard and I make things happen. I was going to compound my activism to possibly lower my personal total cost to my adventure (and make a difference, of course!). But I have given up on those hopes. I suppose there is only a certain element the 'grassroots' will respond to

Did you already buy your plane tickets? What is the Departure and Destination?

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

The payoff is, I'm going to be going from group to group handing out fliers and telling people that the only way to end the wars is to register republican, vote Ron Paul, and tell all your friends to do it! The payoff is, I get hundreds, maybe thousands of people excited about ending the wars, and they go home and tell their friends and family, ect ect. These huge masses of people only happen ONCE A YEAR. This is OUR ONLY CHANCE to get all these people AT ONCE!!! If you guys are wondering where the enthusiastic grassroots is, they're probably living a normal life and doing 'cool' things, I mean I am reaching out to an entirely different demographic, on an entirely different level. Out of all the people I talk to, perhaps a fraction of them would donate to Ron Paul. I imagine it is easily possible that he would raise over $500 from the people I will interact with alone.

But I am not going to keep reiterating over and over to make it seem like my idea has some sort of value. I mean, there will probably be more people here then people who live in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_County,_Iowa

I bet my 20,000 people will be a lot more receptive then every man, woman, and child in these counties. So actually, when you put it in that perspective, my $500 is actually somewhat of a deal

Not really. How many of the people you talk to will actually vote? Iowa is a very important state for getting delegates. We have to win Iowa. To do that, we need to not just talk to everybody there, but have quality interactions with them. Make sure that they are 100% on board with Ron Paul and then have them become delegates. Speaking to a few thousand in Iowa is soooo much more valuable than speaking to 20,000 people who have congregated from the 4 corners. Quality over quantity.

Of those 20,000 people, there has to be a Ron Paul supporter in there. Why can't we find them and get some flyers to them since they are already going to be there?

Listen DjLoti, I don't think anyone at RPFs thinks you're a bad guy. We like you. I personally think what you did last go around was very cool! I think you really do love freedom and want to spread the message. But in this case, it really seems like there is this awesome concert you want to go to, but you don't have the funds. Therefore, you take some flyers with you and say you are going for Ron Paul.

I don't like that. And I imagine others don't either.

 

[tsai3904]

I bet my 20,000 people will be a lot more receptive then every man, woman, and child in these counties. So actually, when you put it in that perspective, my $500 is actually somewhat of a deal

You said you'll be attending many more concerts. Why don't you use this first concert as a trial run and see what kind of reception you get? I'm sure if you come back and report that people were very receptive to Ron Paul's message, you'll be able to find more monetary support for your next endeavors.

 

[belian78]

LMAO.. passing out fliers at a rave... Yeah I been to a few in my day, and if someone came up to me with that and a speech I'd be all gung ho, take your flier and thank you. I'd give you a hug and wish you luck, then within 20 mins that flier would be lost in the wind. The next day I may or may not remember a thing you said.

Certainly not the best ROI, passing out info at raves/concerts, especially with the Iowa projects needing funded. And to add, you're actually indignant that the grassroots won't fund you to go to a rave... My mind, it boggles. I love what you did last campaign, but I can't get behind you on this.