$12.50 asking too much

[DjLoTi]

Screw them. Do what you can, NIck, but it's gotta be fun or it isn't real.

Yess =)) there is going to be a lot of positive energy here, I think the message will resonate well. Ron Paul is already pretty popular in Michigan, and this demographic is really receptive =)

 

[tsai3904]

Yess =)) there is going to be a lot of positive energy here, I think the message will resonate well. Ron Paul is already pretty popular in Michigan, and this demographic is really receptive =)

Do you already have a flier in mind you want to print out or do you have to create one from scratch?

 

[fcreature]

Bisco? See you there... I'll be sporting my Ron Paul t-shirts the entire time.

 

[speciallyblend]

I'm not really like 'leaving' leaving. Now that people are actually being nice and talking to me and not calling me rude things and insulting my intentions. Maybe we can brainstorm an idea to get a bunch of fliers into the hands of these festi-goers, but honestly I feel like my time and effort should be somewhat compensated. If it is or not can be up for debate, but I still have my opinion that it should be. Anyways, yeah I should probably call it a night. It's getting late, especially for me lol

relax man you cannot do everything. I suggest you just go to the concert and take a break and enjoy yourself!! you have done more then some do in a lifetime.

 

[speciallyblend]

Bisco? See you there... I'll be sporting my Ron Paul t-shirts the entire time.

you guys should feel good about going to concerts. that itself is a luxury i cannot afford!!

 

[DjLoTi]

Do you already have a flier in mind you want to print out or do you have to create one from scratch?

Well I have to make one, but I already know what I want on it. Mainly (register republican) (get your friends to do it)_(vote for Ron in the primary.. with maybe a link to state-to-state information) and talking points for Ron on the other side. Ending the wars overseas, war on drugs, other things. Getting kind of tired but we can go more into it later =)

 

[specsaregood]

I dunno man, I just feel like sending $500 to the campaign so Steve Bierfeldt can enhance his reach of already identified voters in a key battleground state is a more efficient use of $500.00, especially in these tough economic times.

Indeed, $500 would get better results paying youngins to go to retirement communities campaigning for Dr. Paul. That's where the votes are. That's the stuff I'm down for donating for this time around.

 

[DjLoTi]

Indeed, $500 would get better results paying youngins to go to retirement communities campaigning for Dr. Paul. That's where the votes are. That's the stuff I'm down for donating for this time around.

I hear what you're saying, but some old people are stuck in their ways. A lot of Ron's energy comes from the young people. Plus, the older people won't be so concentrated. It would likely cost more then $500 to reach out to 20,000 older people in retirement communities, if you think gas, food, materials, all that, it would take a lot of time. We really should be hitting *all* the people. Sporting events are good but only last a few hours. These festivals last for days and are filled with receptive people who are likely ignorant of the greatness of Ron. Not attacking your position, just defending mine

 

[speciallyblend]

Well I have to make one, but I already know what I want on it. Mainly (register republican) (get your friends to do it)_(vote for Ron in the primary.. with maybe a link to state-to-state information) and talking points for Ron on the other side. Ending the wars overseas, war on drugs, other things. Getting kind of tired but we can go more into it later =)

if you get these made please post it here so others can use to might even use the flier to drop off at the grow stores in colorado and med stores!! good luck djloti at the shows! if i had the money i would send to you in a heartbeat!!

 

[dannno]

Get back to the roots, get back to the message.

 

[iGGz]

I swear the RNC has sent in drones to bomb the spirit out of the grassroots.

Did Santorum tell you?

 

[Bman]

I hear what you're saying, but some old people are stuck in their ways. A lot of Ron's energy comes from the young people. Plus, the older people won't be so concentrated. It would likely cost more then $500 to reach out to 20,000 older people in retirement communities, if you think gas, food, materials, all that, it would take a lot of time. We really should be hitting *all* the people. Sporting events are good but only last a few hours. These festivals last for days and are filled with receptive people who are likely ignorant of the greatness of Ron. Not attacking your position, just defending mine

I kind of disagree with that mindset. Let me explain. You have to win old people to get to the next round. Old people are in concentration. They're just not at places most of us younger people go. Old folks homes, bingo, a list of who is registered and how many times they've voted. When I went door to door getting signatures I found that even if it's harder to teach an old dog new tricks, they will actually spend time talking with you. If you know what is important to these older folks the conversation can go extremely well.

 

[DjLoTi]

I kind of disagree with that mindset. Let me explain. You have to win old people to get to the next round. Old people are in concentration. They're just not at places most of us younger people go. Old folks homes, bingo, a list of who is registered and how many times they've voted. When I went door to door getting signatures I found that even if it's harder to teach an old dog new tricks, they will actually spend time talking with you. If you know what is important to these older folks the conversation can go extremely well.

20,000 people who are all going to be having the experience of a lifetime, can find out how to end the wars, the bailouts, and the drug war. These will be young people, old people, all types of people, and these people will hopefully tell their friends and family (the flier should tell them to do that). We're not just going to make the connections through osmosis. Someone actually has to make it happen

But again, I honestly think it would be surprisingly more expensive to reach out to 20,000 of these other target voters you speak of... I guess we are all entitled to our opinions but I like to think I'm thinking facts =)

 

[Bman]

20,000 people who are all going to be having the experience of a lifetime, can find out how to end the wars, the bailouts, and the drug war. These will be young people, old people, all types of people, and these people will hopefully tell their friends and family (the flier should tell them to do that). We're not just going to make the connections through osmosis. Someone actually has to make it happen

But again, I honestly think it would be surprisingly more expensive to reach out to 20,000 of these other target voters you speak of... I guess we are all entitled to our opinions but I like to think I'm speaking in facts =)

By all means I think you should go through with your idea, but you won't be talking to 20,000 people, certainly not one on one, and the thing about young people isn't getting them to think Ron's worth voting for. It's getting them off their asses to vote. I'm just saying overall I believe older folks is were this campaigns going to largely have to focus if it has a snowballs chance. Those people live to vote.

 

[DjLoTi]

Well I might not talk to 20,000 of them one on one, but I was going to split it up with me and a friend. And if I can talk to a group of 5 people at once, it's almost like I'm talking one-on-one. I mean, I am really good at what I do! I could go from group to group and really get people to know about Ron Paul. It would be a lot cooler to get support from the forums (or whatever Ron Paul affiliated group). I personally think it's worth it, but then again I am the one putting in a full-time schedule talking to tons of people and getting fliers to tons of people.. well the government considers 40 hours full time... so you know

 

[speciallyblend]

By all means I think you should go through with your idea, but you won't be talking to 20,000 people, certainly not one on one, and the thing about young people isn't getting them to think Ron's worth voting for. It's getting them off their asses to vote. I'm just saying overall I believe older folks is were this campaigns going to largely have to focus if it has a snowballs chance. Those people live to vote.

the flyer should speak for him so yes you can pass out 1000's of flyers in less then 1hr with 1 to 2 people!! This should be done at iowa/nh concerts now!!

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

There are 2 levels I can go - super pro, or my own way. Super pro means I talk to all these people and hand these out to everybody. And it's going to be tiring and take up a lot of my time. I also have a life that I live, and have needs as a person, so there's that aspect as well. I'm not just a Ron Paul robot that runs on nothing.

You should really watch the video by Gary North about becoming an Austrian Economics Professor vis a vis a career and a calling. You really shouldn't expect to make anything off trying to get liberty folks elected. No one is begrudging your proposition, we just do not feel like it has value to ourselves, and value derives from the subjective values of other individuals. You may think your time is worth two million dollars, but if no one else does, then it is not worth two million...likewise, if no one feels that this endeavor is worth 500$, then it isn't. I am eager to help on fliers, postcards, voter targetting outreach, etc., but I'm not going to give my money to something like this. Honestly, I can't see how printing would cost you 500$...perhaps if you could show us the costs up-front and what we are getting for our money we may be more apt to fund this. You can't expect to just throw out a few details and ask for 500$ and expect people eager to fork over their money. Try doing that in a business proposal to investors / capital meetings and they'll laugh you out of the room. Just something to think about in the future.

 

[robmpreston]

Shocking that people wouldn't want to donate so you can go party at EF and Bisco. Hell, I'm going to All Good next month, maybe I should beg for money too so I can pay for my friend's ticket and hand out some RP literature to justify it.

Bleh.

 

[robmpreston]

Man, no offense but I did that last election and totally got crapped on. And really, the only 'required' funds I was looking for was for printing. But people took it way too far. Now I'm just totally done with it. I mean, I started the radio, I'm in the movie, I'm active in some big Ron Paul circles... but really obviously none of that matters. If people don't find value in the idea, they don't have to contribute. I did, but really yeah I'm just done talking about it. If anything, I know some of the main promoters for the big up festival in NY, and all this whole ordeal really did was ensure that I should not pursue the other idea I had, which was throw a music festival/voter registration party in NH, with a super legit line-up... I could actually make that happen probably, but it would take a seriousness I would not likely find on these forums... so It's alll good.....

The difference is that's actually a legitimately good idea. And now you're acting like that was the plan so that you can hold it over our heads in the hopes of getting more donations. That's not what the grassroots is about. This isn't blackmail.

 

[pacelli]

We're in an economic depression that Ron Paul predicted 4 years ago. I just don't have the money to donate this time around. I maxed out last time and funded all kinds of grassroots projects (including my own, never asked for a chip-in).

I'm halfway to maxing out to Ron Paul's current campaign this time around after selling furniture to afford it. Those donations were made before you made your post. So for me, I just can't afford to donate like I did 4 years ago. Sorry if that is disappointing, I'm sure you have a just cause, I just can't afford it.

In other news I'm still putting fliers under people's wipes blades at parking lots.