$12.50 asking too much

[DjLoTi]

Ya know, I really don't need or care about money at all. But if I was going to spend 5-6 hours a day handing out Ron Paul stuff and fliers, for 4 days at electric forest and for 3 days at camp bisco, that's like 35-40 hours.

So lets say I grind it hard for 40 hours at ef and cb. If I raised $500, that's only 12.50 and hour. And that's before printing costs.

You can be sure I won't be working for the grassroots this go around. Honestly, I'm quite distasted with the reaction. That's all I would like to say

 

[1836]

Ya know, I really don't need or care about money at all. But if I was going to spend 5-6 hours a day handing out Ron Paul stuff and fliers, for 4 days at electric forest and for 3 days at camp bisco, that's like 35-40 hours.

So lets say I grind it hard for 40 hours at ef and cb. If I raised $500, that's only 12.50 and hour. And that's before printing costs.

You can be sure I won't be working for the grassroots this go around. Honestly, I'm quite distasted with the reaction. That's all I would like to say

DjLoTi,

As a longtime lurker here I am familiar with your posts and some of your ideas. From what I have observed personally, I can honestly say that you bring a great deal of creativity and energy to the table as a Ron Paul supporter and someone involved in the freedom movement generally.

You should consider that the reaction to your post asking for money to go and spread the message at a concert was not meant in a mean-spirited way, but more as a surprising kind of reaction to the idea that anyone should be paid for travel and board to a non-political event. One person at an enormous concert cannot tell everyone about Ron Paul.

I am, however, a bit troubled by the idea that you should characterize $500 as "only 12.50 an hour" in some attempt to justify that you should be compensated for the time you spend volunteering. For the many who spend countless hours volunteering in the freedom movement, yourself included, this is indeed an odd idea. I do not think this is what you meant. But realize what you said!

Thanks and speaking just for me, I hope you stick around.

 

[DjLoTi]

I also have a friend who was going to do it with me, and we were really going to make sure everyone got a flier

and as for "I am, however, a bit troubled by the idea that you should characterize $500 as "only 12.50 an hour" in some attempt to justify that you should be compensated for the time you spend volunteering."

It isn't what I meant. I was just putting into context. I feel like people are really taking it too far

 

[Maximus]

The best way to do this is to set a plan and itemize your material costs.

People aren't going to pay for you to go and check out concerts that you'd see either way. Get receipts from kinkos and I'm sure people will pitch in for flyers and stuff.

 

[evilfunnystuff]

Why not show Us an itemized list of the $500 maybe it will clear up the confusion?

 

[Cowlesy]

I dunno man, I just feel like sending $500 to the campaign so Steve Bierfeldt can enhance his reach of already identified voters in a key battleground state is a more efficient use of $500.00, especially in these tough economic times.

 

[DjLoTi]

Why not show Us an itemized list of the $500 maybe it will clear up the confusion?

Seems as though there's simply no support anyway. I could list the plane ticket, printing, gas to get to the fest, other expenses, plus my time at the fest, which would be well above $500. I might think about doing that, but right now I am really discouraged by the attitude here and am frankly insulted by some of the insinuations

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I think maybe a lot of people saw how much money was raised last time and figure that if their particular project is Ron Paul oriented, then it should be fairly easy to raise money. The fact is, there were quite a few projects last go around that cost a bit of money but didn't go anywhere. I think people are more focused on getting votes this go around.

But that's just me.

 

[DjLoTi]

Sorry, but I think my time is valuable. If the Ron Paul campaign is going to raise millions of dollars, then those people who work for them can do the work. I know people on the RP staff. They're going to the Iowa fest. They might not be as effective as me, but they'll be paid. I'm not going to spend my fest promoting RP without some kind of support. I'm pretty much done with the whole topic, and honestly my activism as a whole. I'm not going to hold a sign on a highway. That's not how I am. I'm not going to spend tons of money and time reaching tons of people about Ron Paul and not get some kind of support for it. $500 was my goal but anything would have helped. Instead I was insulted and made fun of. It's ok, I see the exit.. I'm on my way out

 

[owlbug]

Seems as though there's simply no support anyway. I could list the plane ticket, printing, gas to get to the fest, other expenses, plus my time at the fest, which would be well above $500. I might think about doing that, but right now I am really discouraged by the attitude here and am frankly insulted by some of the insinuations

Honestly, if you're not going to do your utmost to get Ron Paul elected because people aren't giving you money to hand out fliers at some concerts, I have to question your motivation.

 

[Cowlesy]

When is the concert? I bet if you hustled you could earn the $500 doing odd-jobs to get to the concert to support. I know people in my old neighborhood gladly paid for someone to weed gardens, mow lawns, power-wash driveways/sidewalks. When I wasn't bussing tables and setting up weddings/banquets, that's how I banked my residual income to go to concerts (just didn't have anything to promote then in terms of a candidate but I would have pushed Ron Paul had I went/he ran back in the day).

 

[evilfunnystuff]

Sorry, but I think my time is valuable. If the Ron Paul campaign is going to raise millions of dollars, then those people who work for them can do the work. I know people on the RP staff. They're going to the Iowa fest. They might not be as effective as me, but they'll be paid. I'm not going to spend my fest promoting RP without some kind of support. I'm pretty much done with the whole topic, and honestly my activism as a whole. I'm not going to hold a sign on a highway. That's not how I am. I'm not going to spend tons of money and time reaching tons of people about Ron Paul and not get some kind of support for it. $500 was my goal but anything would have helped. Instead I was insulted and made fun of. It's ok, I see the exit.. I'm on my way out

I would but im not gonna waste my money and time donating tons of money to some guy to pass out flyers for Ron Paul and not get some kind of support for it. lol

 

[DjLoTi]

Man, no offense but I did that last election and totally got crapped on. And really, the only 'required' funds I was looking for was for printing. But people took it way too far. Now I'm just totally done with it. I mean, I started the radio, I'm in the movie, I'm active in some big Ron Paul circles... but really obviously none of that matters. If people don't find value in the idea, they don't have to contribute. I did, but really yeah I'm just done talking about it. If anything, I know some of the main promoters for the big up festival in NY, and all this whole ordeal really did was ensure that I should not pursue the other idea I had, which was throw a music festival/voter registration party in NH, with a super legit line-up... I could actually make that happen probably, but it would take a seriousness I would not likely find on these forums... so It's alll good.....

 

[DjLoTi]

When is the concert? I bet if you hustled you could earn the $500 doing odd-jobs to get to the concert to support. I know people in my old neighborhood gladly paid for someone to weed gardens, mow lawns, power-wash driveways/sidewalks. When I wasn't bussing tables and setting up weddings/banquets, that's how I banked my residual income to go to concerts (just didn't have anything to promote then in terms of a candidate but I would have pushed Ron Paul had I went/he ran back in the day).

I don't need the money. I was just looking for support. There is none. End of story

 

[owlbug]

You presented your idea, nobody bought into it, therefore the forums suck. Look in the mirror.

 

[DjLoTi]

Uh, no. The forums suck because they were insulting and childish. However, some of the offensive posts have been deleted, so maybe you missed that part.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You can be sure I won't be working for the grassroots this go around. Honestly, I'm quite distasted with the reaction. That's all I would like to say

I'm confused. I thought we were all working to get Ron Paul elected.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Man, no offense but I did that last election and totally got crapped on. And really, the only 'required' funds I was looking for was for printing. But people took it way too far. Now I'm just totally done with it. I mean, I started the radio, I'm in the movie, I'm active in some big Ron Paul circles... but really obviously none of that matters. If people don't find value in the idea, they don't have to contribute. I did, but really yeah I'm just done talking about it. If anything, I know some of the main promoters for the big up festival in NY, and all this whole ordeal really did was ensure that I should not pursue the other idea I had, which was throw a music festival/voter registration party in NH, with a super legit line-up... I could actually make that happen probably, but it would take a seriousness I would not likely find on these forums... so It's alll good.....

Oh c'mon. If I let what a few people said to me or about me run me off, well, I probably would have been gone the first day I logged onto these forums. heh.

Don't let a few people get you down. We all have to be in this thing pushing for Ron Paul. If you have a good idea, then do it.

 

[DjLoTi]

There are 2 levels I can go - super pro, or my own way. Super pro means I talk to all these people and hand these out to everybody. And it's going to be tiring and take up a lot of my time. I also have a life that I live, and have needs as a person, so there's that aspect as well. I'm not just a Ron Paul robot that runs on nothing.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There are 2 levels I can go - super pro, or my own way. Super pro means I talk to all these people and hand these out to everybody. And it's going to be tiring and take up a lot of my time. I also have a life that I live, and have needs as a person, so there's that aspect as well. I'm not just a Ron Paul robot that runs on nothing.

I don't know what to tell you, besides do what you can. Nobody has as much money this time around and a ton of people don't even have jobs, DJ. Anything you can do to help will be great.

The only people that I know of that are being paid are with the campaign.