'08 New Hampshire Results, and my '12 prediction

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John McCain: 88,571 / 37.71% / 7

Mitt Romney: 75,546 / 32.17% / 4

Mike Huckabee: 26,859 / 11.44% / 1

Rudy Giuliani: 20,439 / 8.7% / 0

Ron Paul: 18,308 / 7.8% / 0

Fred Thompson: 2,890 / 1.23% / 0


The reason I bring this up is this, Romney received about 30% of the vote in Iowa in '08 and '12. So I'm assuming he'll receive about the same amount in New Hampshire this time around that he received in '08, 32%. I see Santorum bringing in about the same as the Huckabee vote from '08 with Huntsman taking the Guiliani percentage. That leads me with Paul's spot, McCain's spot and Thompson's last place spot. So here is how I ultimately see this years voting going:

1) Ron Paul - 37% of the vote, this is mainly because of the independents, libertarian/conservatives and tea partiers.
2) Mitt Romney - 32%, that is his ceiling and it'll be what he get's this time around.
3) Rick Santorum - 11%, that is the amount of strictly social conservatives I see in NH.
4) John Huntsman - 8%, the liberal/moderate vote goes to him.
5) Newt Gingrich - 6%
6) Rick Perry - 4%, the remaining scraps for Gingrich and Perry

According to CNN in '08, "the religious voters made up 14 percent of all Republican primary voters in New Hampshire." I just wanted to note that because a big part of Huckabee's and Santorum's supporters are the religious voters.

According to wikipedia's entry on the '08 primary, "Independent voters made up 44 percent of the New Hampshire electorate." This is the key. Also note the polls leading up to the '08 election: "Average support from polls were McCain, 31.8%; Romney, 28.2%; Huckabee, 12.2%; Giuliani, 9.3%; Paul, 8.2%; Thompson, 2.2%." According to the polls and the final results, McCain ended up gaining 6% and Romney gained 4% while the rest stayed fairly close to what they ended up receiving, but to truly see where Paul's support comes from this year you need to look at the amount of voters that voted in the Democratic Primary and you'll see close to 290,000 votes. More than 50,000 more than the amount of the Republican Primary (240,000). My point, there are almost 300,000 votes that won't be going to Clinton or Obama that Paul can pull from.

According to ABCNEWS in '08, "Preliminary exit poll results indicate that just over four in 10 voters in the New Hampshire Democratic primary are independents, compared with 48 percent in 2004 and a record 50 percent in 1992. In the Republican primary, preliminary results indicate again that about four in 10 are independents, similar to the previous high of 42 percent in 2000." This is where Paul pulls in a big part of his support, as the Iowa exit polls noted.

According to the NYTimes in '08, the exit polls for the Democratic primary in New Hampshire showed the following:
33% of voters were 18-39 years old, with Obama receiving 60% of those 18-24. (95,000 voters)
19% of voters were voting in their first primary, with Obama receiving 47% of those voters. (55,000 voters)
98% of voters were "somewhat or very worried" about the direction of the nations economy, with 38% feeling that this was their most important issue.
31% of voters felt the Iraq War was the most important issue. (90,000 voters)
54% of voters wanted a candidate that could "bring about needed change." (156,000 voters)
94% of voters wanted a timetable or immediate removal of our troops from Iraq.

These are all voters that didn't vote in the Republican primary in New Hampshire and hopefully, Ron Paul will pull a decent percentage of these voters next week.

- ML
 
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It's a stretch, but I think we actually have a chance in NH now. We have three newspapers endorsing us, a lot of momentum from Iowa, and are polling great right now.
 
Me likey. also.

Phone From Home.

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lol...if Ron got that much support, it would reflect in polling...the highest we've seen was 24%.

We should also factor the action of the media, we can always count on them to try something shady.


I'll say Ron's ceiling in NH is 28% even if he gets 28% and Romney can't get more than 32% its still a victory for our campaign because Romney couldn't turn his polled support into actual support. Ron would be seen literally as the anti-Romney, shutting Santorum out completely. Gingrich will have a poor showing, again, and that should reflect in SC.

I don't know the real reason why SC doesn't like Ron but hopefully they'll come around...
 
We should look to '96 to see how we can do this.


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We need to get a Ron 31 Mitt 30 result.
 
Ron Paul needs to get 25% or higher and be the clear breakout 2nd place showing, with the others scattered around 10%.

But he also needs to do well in SC.
 
Wow. Talk about wishful thinking. Don't set yourself up for another disappointment.

I'm lowering my expectations and trying to be a realist. Iowa crushed me. My money right now is on Ron coming in under 20% of the total and in a close third place. He won't show as strongly as he did in Iowa.

Still, that isn't a bad thing when you take it into the context of how he did in 2008, and where the liberty movement is today.
 
There are only two ways this can go, one being that my prediction is pretty close and Paul wins New Hampshire or Paul loses New Hampshire. If the first one happens, then on January 14th, this thread will get bumped and the followers of the Prophet Michael Landon will express their fondness of me and my great Paul prophecy. If the second one happens, then on January 14th, this thread will get bumped and I'll get blasted because I was wrong about my prediction. Either way I win, because my support for Ron Paul stays the same. Every once in a while, a person needs to put their reputation on the line to spread a little optimism around to others who may be feeling a little down about something, especially to those who felt deflated after the 3rd place finish in Iowa.

- ML
 
That's a big stretch, right now Ron Paul's highest in the NH polls is 24%.

If Ron Paul some how wins that will be amazing, but I don't want to set myself up for another disappointment.

But NH is libertarian leaning so I have some hope.
 
McCain had fair mainstream media coverage though. Although the last couple days we have gotten a little fairness from Piers Morgan imo, expect it to get real ugly over the next few days.

I can't say it's impossible, but I think the goal should be 2nd place with some margin between second and third. If by some miracle you end up being right, it would be even better than a win in Iowa would have been.

The campaign keeps trying to push for Romney vs. Paul and a strong second place would really help them continue making that argument.
 
We should look to '96 to see how we can do this.


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We need to get a Ron 31 Mitt 30 result.

Is Ron Paul the Buchanan or the Forbes of 2012?
 
I said it before and I will say it again....Ron Paul will win NH. I am psychic.:cool:
 
Candidate/Votes/Percentage/Delegates


John McCain: 88,571 / 37.71% / 7

Mitt Romney: 75,546 / 32.17% / 4

Mike Huckabee: 26,859 / 11.44% / 1

Rudy Giuliani: 20,439 / 8.7% / 0

Ron Paul: 18,308 / 7.8% / 0

Fred Thompson: 2,890 / 1.23% / 0


The reason I bring this up is this, Romney received about 30% of the vote in Iowa in '08 and '12. So I'm assuming he'll receive about the same amount in New Hampshire this time around that he received in '08, 32%. I see Santorum bringing in about the same as the Huckabee vote from '08 with Huntsman taking the Guiliani percentage. That leads me with Paul's spot, McCain's spot and Thompson's last place spot. So here is how I ultimately see this years voting going:

1) Ron Paul - 37% of the vote, this is mainly because of the independents, libertarian/conservatives and tea partiers.
2) Mitt Romney - 32%, that is his ceiling and it'll be what he get's this time around.
3) Rick Santorum - 11%, that is the amount of strictly social conservatives I see in NH.
4) John Huntsman - 8%, the liberal/moderate vote goes to him.
5) Newt Gingrich - 6%
6) Rick Perry - 4%, the remaining scraps for Gingrich and Perry

According to CNN in '08, "the religious voters made up 14 percent of all Republican primary voters in New Hampshire." I just wanted to note that because a big part of Huckabee's and Santorum's supporters are the religious voters.

According to wikipedia's entry on the '08 primary, "Independent voters made up 44 percent of the New Hampshire electorate." This is the key. Also note the polls leading up to the '08 election: "Average support from polls were McCain, 31.8%; Romney, 28.2%; Huckabee, 12.2%; Giuliani, 9.3%; Paul, 8.2%; Thompson, 2.2%." According to the polls and the final results, McCain ended up gaining 6% and Romney gained 4% while the rest stayed fairly close to what they ended up receiving, but to truly see where Paul's support comes from this year you need to look at the amount of voters that voted in the Democratic Primary and you'll see close to 290,000 votes. More than 50,000 more than the amount of the Republican Primary (240,000). My point, there are almost 300,000 votes that won't be going to Clinton or Obama that Paul can pull from.

According to ABCNEWS in '08, "Preliminary exit poll results indicate that just over four in 10 voters in the New Hampshire Democratic primary are independents, compared with 48 percent in 2004 and a record 50 percent in 1992. In the Republican primary, preliminary results indicate again that about four in 10 are independents, similar to the previous high of 42 percent in 2000." This is where Paul pulls in a big part of his support, as the Iowa exit polls noted.

According to the NYTimes in '08, the exit polls for the Democratic primary in New Hampshire showed the following:
33% of voters were 18-39 years old, with Obama receiving 60% of those 18-24. (95,000 voters)
19% of voters were voting in their first primary, with Obama receiving 47% of those voters. (55,000 voters)
98% of voters were "somewhat or very worried" about the direction of the nations economy, with 38% feeling that this was their most important issue.
31% of voters felt the Iraq War was the most important issue. (90,000 voters)
54% of voters wanted a candidate that could "bring about needed change." (156,000 voters)
94% of voters wanted a timetable or immediate removal of our troops from Iraq.

These are all voters that didn't vote in the Republican primary in New Hampshire and hopefully, Ron Paul will pull a decent percentage of these voters next week.

- ML

Mr. Landon I have come to vindicate you. As a prominent Buchananite on these forums, I have to say that many of your predictions are grounded in reality, and correlate quite well to 96'. You are 100% right about the independent cross section of the NH electorate, who, IMHO, will have to come out in DROVES for us to win. Where I do believe your argument needs clarification, is concerning the impending results of this weekends debate. You can bet the farm that MANY die hard neocons and TRUE conservatives will have their eyes squarely on the idiot box (only because the Patriots got a 1st round bye) during the debate; I foresee us gaining significant steam in the event that Ron does some serious calling out of A) Newt b) Frothy C) Huntsman. I believe we need to steal some votes from Huntsman, and pick up that portion of the electorate often deemed "unsure" by pollsters. Assuming that Newt continues his all out frontal assault on the polygamist-used car salesman, we should see a convergence of our constituencies, and maybe, just maybe, a RON PAUL TRIUMPH. excellent analysis and + Rep.
 
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