ZERO U.S. Measles Deaths in 10 Years, but Over 100 Measles Vaccine Deaths Reported

To be fair, those are reported cases, correct? Not cases that have been proven to have been caused by the vaccine, right? I'm seriously asking, because I was having a discussion about this with someone.

Not a single one of those cases has been verified. That's not how it works. But the anti-vaxxers are'nt big on facts, even though they do love them some Facebook memes. Especially when there's a chart.
 
This is why I'm somewhere in the middle in the whole debate. I think certain reactions to the vaccines are not very common (or we would see a lot more cases than we do), but I also don't like when I see concerned parents being ridiculed for being "anti-science." It actually seems rather scientific to me, to look to that event as a possible cause if nothing else happened during that time, especially when it isn't so easy to prove either way. If it were easy, in all those reported cases, doctors would have been able to point to exactly what DID cause it.

On the Merck website, I found this (from the MMR package insert):

"Experience...indicates that significant central nervous system reactions such as encephalitis and encephalopathy, occurring within 30 days after vaccination, have been temporally associated with measles vaccine very rarely. In no case has it been shown that reactions were actually caused by vaccine...However, the data suggest the possibility that some of these cases may have been caused by measles vaccines."

In other words, they are admitting that although not PROVED, it is POSSIBLE. And again, I completely understand that those cases may be rare which is why I don't consider myself anti-vaccine, but I also don't like to see people hiding behind science, when science itself doesn't always have all the answers. It is OK to be suspicious.

That's actually sort of how science works. Nothing is every proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's the anti-vaxxers that are rigid. Science encourages challenges.
 
Not a single one of those cases has been verified. That's not how it works. But the anti-vaxxers are'nt big on facts, even though they do love them some Facebook memes. Especially when there's a chart.

Well, that's not very nice. You post a lot of memes and charts too, you know. :cool:

What is the difference between your charts and those of the pro-information folks?
 
like how Eric Garner died from preexisting heart condition, not from being chocked out by a cop.
If a baby gets a vaccine, then has a stroke right after, wouldn't it be possible the vaccine casued that?

Of course it is possible. But correlation isn't causation.
 
Well, that's not very nice. You post a lot of memes and charts too, you know. :cool:

What is the difference between your charts and those of the pro-information folks?

Nobody mistakes me for nice.

Mine are backed up by facts. VAERS isn't a controlled clinical study. Anybody can add a report to it. For all we know, some rabid anti-vaxxer adds measles deaths to it on a regular basis.
 
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Here is something for Zippy and Angela


Before I get started, what would it take to convince you she is wrong? What evidence would you accept? And which statement of hers do you find especially sound? What evidence does she provide to support her position?
 
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Before I get started, what would it take to convince you she is wrong? What evidence would you accept? And which statement of hers do you find especially sound? What evidence does she provide to support her position?

Her information about how authorities work to persuade people to vaccinate.

Convince me that she is wrong.
 
Some people in this world will never have any common sense. You can hit them in the head with a hammer. They'll wake up the next day with a headache and still question whether the hammer had anything to do with it.
 
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