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Do you think all of the epidemiologists agree?

The great majority do not share your opinion of the matter.

...but hey, I'm not stopping you from licking railings on NYC subway platforms.

Have at it (just stay away from me please).
 
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The great majority do not share your opinion of the matter.

...but hey, I'm not stopping you from licking railings on NYC subway platforms.

Have at it (just stay away from me please).

You asked them? I'm curious, how many of them did you talk to? By the way, are you aware that the great majority of economists disagree with Ron Paul? They think he's an idiot who doesn't know anything about economics. I don't have an economics degree, so should I take their word on that since they are the authority, or should I think for myself?
 
You asked them? I'm curious, how many of them did you talk to? By the way, are you aware that the great majority of economists disagree with Ron Paul? They think he's an idiot who doesn't know anything about economics. I don't have an economics degree, so should I take their word on that since they are the authority, or should I think for myself?

I know economics, I don't know epidemiology.

Some people know neither.

I'll trust the professionals on the latter topic.

You can do as you please.
 
I know economics, I don't know epidemiology.

Some people know neither.

I'll trust the professionals on the latter topic.

You can do as you please.

You said you know economics, you didn't say you have an economics degree. I'm sorry, but that doesn't qualify as an authority. That's no different from me saying I know epidemiology, and I think the "experts" the media trots out are incorrect.

Besides, if the "professionals" in economics are wrong, what makes you think the professionals in epidemiology are any better?
 
I'll trust the professionals

How's that working out over at the Fed Reserve there, dude?

Fauci is the epitome of a "professional" health bureaucrat.

I wouldn't trust him to treat a hangnail.

A great deal of what we suffer under is due to turning our lives over to the regulatory state, run by "professionals".
 
You said you know economics, you didn't say you have an economics degree. I'm sorry, but that doesn't qualify as an authority. That's no different from me saying I know epidemiology, and I think the "experts" the media trots out are incorrect.

Whether you accept my claim that I know economics is of no importance.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

As I said, you can do as you please.

Besides, if the "professionals" in economics are wrong, what makes you think the professionals in epidemiology are any better?

That's one point of view; I disagree.

...we'll see who gets to Scotland first.
 
How's that working out over at the Fed Reserve there, dude?

Did you misread my comment as saying that "the professionals" (in all fields) should be trusted?

Fauci is the epitome of a "professional" health bureaucrat.

I wouldn't trust him to treat a hangnail.

A great deal of what we suffer under is due to turning our lives over to the regulatory state, run by "professionals".

I find Fauci and his ilk very trustworthy indeed.

I certainly don't know anything about the topic, nor, I assume, do you.
 
Whether you accept my claim that I know economics is of no importance.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

As I said, you can do as you please.



That's one point of view; I disagree.

...we'll see who gets to Scotland first.

IOW your position is intellectually inconsistent. That's fine, I just wanted to clear that up.

The point wasn't whether you know economics or not, you are moving the goalposts. You said "one does need to be a doctor or epidemiologist to know something about medicine or epidemics (hence the names)." To be consistent, it would also be true that one would need to be an economist to know something about economics (hence the name). By your own standards you are unqualified to talk about economics regardless of how well you think you understand it. So now that your double standard has been revealed we know that was just your convenient excuse, and that you trust the professionals regarding epidemiology because you happen to agree with them. Have the courage to say that instead of hiding behind some veil of authority that you yourself don't even believe in
 
IOW your position is intellectually inconsistent. That's fine, I just wanted to clear that up.

The point wasn't whether you know economics or not, you are moving the goalposts. You said "one does need to be a doctor or epidemiologist to know something about medicine or epidemics (hence the names)." To be consistent, it would also be true that one would need to be an economist to know something about economics (hence the name). By your own standards you are unqualified to talk about economics regardless of how well you think you understand it. So now that your double standard has been revealed we know that was just your convenient excuse, and that you trust the professionals regarding epidemiology because you happen to agree with them. Have the courage to say that instead of hiding behind some veil of authority that you yourself don't even believe in

Ouch.

That burned me just passing by...
 
I find Fauci and his ilk very trustworthy indeed.

Donkey drool...I had Fauci pegged for a hack back in March.

I certainly don't know anything about the topic, nor, I assume, do you.

You know nothing about germ theory, recombinant RNA procedures, lipid barriers and disease communicability for example?

I'm a trained medical first responder, I've had a working knowledge of these things for years.

But anybody with a brain should have a basic understanding of these processes and concepts.
 
IOW your position is intellectually inconsistent. That's fine, I just wanted to clear that up.

:confused:

The point wasn't whether you know economics or not, you are moving the goalposts. You said "one does need to be a doctor or epidemiologist to know something about medicine or epidemics (hence the names)." To be consistent, it would also be true that one would need to be an economist to know something about economics (hence the name).

That's right.

By your own standards you are unqualified to talk about economics regardless of how well you think you understand it.

What standards are those? What qualifications did I say were needed?

Knowledge of the subject matter is the standard.

So now that your double standard has been revealed we know that was just your convenient excuse, and that you trust the professionals regarding epidemiology because you happen to agree with them. Have the courage to say that instead of hiding behind some veil of authority that you yourself don't even believe in

I thought I said it pretty plainly, but I guess I'll have to say it again.

I do not know anything about epidemiology, and so I rely on those who do (contra other topics, where I do know something).

..?
 
Donkey drool...I had Fauci pegged for a hack back in March.

Did you expect that this would get as bad as it did?

I did.

Do you know why?

It wasn't because I licked my layman's finger and put it into the wind.

It was because I was reading the Lancet, who were operating in China, from January.

Maybe the doctors aren't universally evil tools of [insert current politicized madness] and actually know something?

:confused:

You know nothing about germ theory, recombinant RNA procedures, lipid barriers and disease communicability for example?

Correct

I'm a trained medical first responder, I've had a working knowledge of these things for years.

But anybody with a brain should have a basic understanding of these processes and concepts.

Knowledge of first aid isn't what we're talking about AF.
 
Did you misread my comment as saying that "the professionals" (in all fields) should be trusted?



I find Fauci and his ilk very trustworthy indeed.

I certainly don't know anything about the topic, nor, I assume, do you.

Maybe I can help bring you together...

The problem is that you need to be aware of when these experts start wandering outside their field of study. Epidemiology tells you how a disease spreads, the rates of infection and possible prevention techniques. What it does NOT tell you is how to make policy recommendations for government.

This is where Fauci completely jumped the shark. Risk is an individual calculation. To put this in economic terms, Fauci (and his ilk) is suffering from the pretense of knowledge. They cannot possibly know the competing factors of each individual to understand which prevention measures are better for them - understanding that some prevention measures may do more harm to the individual than good.

Had Fauci remained within his field of study and informed the public of his understanding of the epidemiology of this pandemic, then maybe he'd garner more respect. As it stands, he succumbed to the folly of most in the intelligentsia and thought since he was so informed in one arena, he could make wide-reaching edicts that affected other arenas of individual lives.

You could take the exact same epidemiological information and draw completely different policy recommendations. For example: inform the public that the best survival strategies are to boost their immune systems to fight off the virus, encourage regular exercise, encourage nursing homes to isolate the vulnerable, or simply stress reducing techniques that boost your immune system (as opposed to fear which lowers people's immune system). It would not be difficult to argue that these policy recommendations would have saved more lives and would not have had the economic destruction of Fauci's recommendations.


It's very important that when relying upon the "experts", you recognize where their expertise lies and when they have moved beyond their expertise.
 
Maybe I can help bring you together...

The problem is that you need to be aware of when these experts start wandering outside their field of study. Epidemiology tells you how a disease spreads, the rates of infection and possible prevention techniques. What it does NOT tell you is how to make policy recommendations for government.

This is where Fauci completely jumped the shark. Risk is an individual calculation. To put this in economic terms, Fauci (and his ilk) is suffering from the pretense of knowledge. They cannot possibly know the competing factors of each individual to understand which prevention measures are better for them - understanding that some prevention measures may do more harm to the individual than good.

Had Fauci remained within his field of study and informed the public of his understanding of the epidemiology of this pandemic, then maybe he'd garner more respect. As it stands, he succumbed to the folly of most in the intelligentsia and thought since he was so informed in one arena, he could make wide-reaching edicts that affected other arenas of individual lives.

You could take the exact same epidemiological information and draw completely different policy recommendations. For example: inform the public that the best survival strategies are to boost their immune systems to fight off the virus, encourage regular exercise, encourage nursing homes to isolate the vulnerable, or simply stress reducing techniques that boost your immune system (as opposed to fear which lowers people's immune system). It would not be difficult to argue that these policy recommendations would have saved more lives and would not have had the economic destruction of Fauci's recommendations.

It's very important that when relying upon the "experts", you recognize where their expertise lies and when they have moved beyond their expertise.

You're quite right that policy prescriptions about covid must rely on certain assumptions about risk tolerance, which are subjective. Likewise, the state must, as in other circumstances, make assumptions about time preference. For instance, it is not objectively wrong to value next week over all other futures; on a very high time-preference view, there is no reason to oppose having the Fed print and send to each American $1 million, or $1 billion, etc; that would be a fun week (but with very un-fun consequences that people of varying time preference might view and discount differently). Similarly, if it were known that a week without covid restrictions would both result in great fun and then, later, massive death, or that there were some probability of that outcome, one could argue, either on time preference or risk tolerance grounds, that such a policy would be benevolent: or not, depending on one's preferences. However, those extremes aside, which are generally insane, the state should apply a reasonable time preference and a reasonable risk tolerance in setting its policies. And, if the state weren't also fixing prices in credit markets, it would actually be possible to know what those reasonable figures are, but I digress.

So, the long and the short of it is that I will make my own judgments as to risk tolerance or time preference.

All I need Fauci et al to do is tell me what is in fact, to the best of their knowledge, likely to happen.

And they do a good job of that, IMO.
 
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