Youtube Bans “Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem"

[Liberty Star]

Youtube Bans “Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem"

This was posted in another discussion but may belong in this section. Are there any public use video hosting services left in America that do not censor civil political free speech?


Google and Youtube are much better than corrupted traditional TV media in America but looks like a new independent video medium is needed considering how civil free speech is being censored even by YT now.

Youtube Bans “Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem”

June 18th 2009

Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem — The Censored Video from Max Blumenthal on Vimeo.

Youtube has removed my video, “Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem,” on the baseless grounds that it contains “inappropriate content.” They have offered me no further explanation and have stonewalled my inquiries and attempts to rectify the situation. Thus they have censored a video that contains far less inflammatory content than thousands of video they are already hosting. Why? I won’t ascribe motives to Youtube I am unable to confirm, but it is clear there is an active campaign by right-wing Jewish elements to suppress the video by filing a flood of complaints with Youtube. At the same time these elements have attempted to paint me as a self-hating Jew determined to foment anti-Semitism. I answered this last charge to Ha’aretz (read the barely coherent article here) last week: “I have received death threats from people, mainly ones calling me a self-hating Jew. I am self-hating, but my self-hatred has nothing to do with me being Jewish.”

http://maxblumenthal.com/2009/06/youtube-bans-feeling-the-hate-in-jerusalem/

Censored by the Huffington Post, Imprisoned by the Past: Why I Made “Feeling The Hate in Jerusalem”

June 8th 2009 On Wednesday, I walked around central Jerusalem with my friend, Joseph Dana, an Israel peace activist who has lived in the country for three years. We interviewed young people on camera about the speech President Barack Obama planned to deliver to the Muslim world the following day in Cairo. Though our questions were not provocative at all – we simply asked, “What do you think of Obama’s speech” – the responses our interview subjects offered comprised some of the most shocking comments I have ever recorded on camera. They were racist, hateful, and incredibly ignorant, and were mostly couched within a Zionist context – “this is our land, Obama!” The following day, we edited an hour of interviews into a 3:30 minute video package and released it on Mondoweiss and on the Huffington Post.

Within a few hours, I received an email from a Huffington Post administrator informing me he had scrubbed my video from the site. “I don’t see that it has any real news value,” the administrator told me. “For me it only proves that one can find drunk people willing to say just about anything. Especially drunk, moronic people.” For the first time, the premier clearinghouse for online news and opinions had suppressed one of my posts.

http://maxblumenthal.com/2009/06/ce...ast-why-i-made-feeling-the-hate-in-jerusalem/


Political free speech in America could be greatly crippled the way things are progressing unless we are vigilant.


EDIT: Update 1

There seems to be cat and mouse game going on between Youtube and user community on censorship of this video. Everytime Youtube censors it, banned video pops up elsewhere on youtube. This is the latest posting of banned video :

( Caution: video contains racial slurs and explicit language )

http : // www. youtube. com/watch?v=8nv0KcoOXSA

Update 2

Incredible, a year after this censorship cat and mouse game started, this video is still showing up on youtube every few days:

YouTube - Feeling the Hate In Jerusalem on Eve of Obama's Cairo Addres.flv

 

[sluggo]

I agree with you, but it is a double-edged sword.

We must also defend the right for people to say things we despise, as well.

Unfortunately, many will support this kind of censorship if they do not like what is being said.

I know most people here realize that, but it bears repeating.

 

[Liberty Star]

I agree, good point.

I would add that there is such thing as highly one-sided or biased coverage by our corporate media and when they selectively "smear" candidates that threaten their business interests, calling them on their corrupt practices would also be part of free speech exercise.


Consider the "drunk" argument above, that was never used by media to try and censor Mel Gibson "drunk rants" news story few years back. Suppression of this 3 minute Jerusalem video clip is a telling sign of US media direction and dictation.

 

[GreenCardSeeker]

I wish more people would use BitTorrent technology or maybe Direct Connect to spread videos - no one will ever be able to stop the dissemination of information through peer2peer technology. Everyone that uploads something to Youtube or similar who fear that they might take it down should also spread it through bittorrent.

Perhaps it could be an idea setting up a free speech bittorrent tracker, where people only upload material that might be banned on other sites. People could then help out distributing this material by downloading and keeping available from all over the Internet, so no censorship initiative could ever stop it. Bloggers and similar could link to this tracker, and censorship would never become a problem.

Running a BT tracker requires very little resources, you could do it on a single PC with limited bandwidth use, since the actual traffic goes peer to peer.

 

[Liberty Star]

I have never used bittorrent but from what I understand it would be limited to people having special software. That is better than complete censorship even if not as good as freely viewable video from a link online. However tech savvy people tend to be informed in general, much of the aidience that needs to be informed may not be that well versed in such tech tools I'm afraid.

 

[GreenCardSeeker]

I have never used bittorrent but from what I understand it would be limited to people having special software. That is better than complete censorship even if not as good as freely viewable video from a link online. However tech savvy people tend to be informed in general, much of the aidience that needs to be informed may not be that well versed in such tech tools I'm afraid.

That's a reason why I think it's important to make more people use the technology, it would tremendously undermine any attempts at controlling information. Everyone on this forum should have a client installed, many web browsers have the technology built-in as well, so it's quite easy starting to use it. There are online guides to it as well. Having people make the step of starting to use it would be great.

Come to think of it, someone could make a peer2peer video hosting system too, where the load of storing and distributing the data is spread out, so the host doesn't need to store or transfer very much data. It could be possible making a Java client perhaps. My tech skills aren't up-to-date with the requirements, but maybe some people on this site could make it happen.

Making the world a better place would be so much easier if everyone realized they had to share the responsibility.

 

[sluggo]

I run Bitlord and Peer Guardian 2.

Both free and very easy to use.

 

[Sean]

YouTube - Max Blumenthal Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem

Someone has reposted it.

 

[Reason]

YouTube - Max Blumenthal Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem

Someone has reposted it.

dear god...

my generation is filled with 98% complete retards.

 

[revolutionisnow]

That's a reason why I think it's important to make more people use the technology, it would tremendously undermine any attempts at controlling information. Everyone on this forum should have a client installed, many web browsers have the technology built-in as well, so it's quite easy starting to use it. There are online guides to it as well. Having people make the step of starting to use it would be great.

Come to think of it, someone could make a peer2peer video hosting system too, where the load of storing and distributing the data is spread out, so the host doesn't need to store or transfer very much data. It could be possible making a Java client perhaps. My tech skills aren't up-to-date with the requirements, but maybe some people on this site could make it happen.

Making the world a better place would be so much easier if everyone realized they had to share the responsibility.

Youtube has been censoring a lot more in recent months. There are also groups of flaggers that are able to pull down someones channel for not much of a reason other than disliking them. I think that the days of free speech and community on youtube are almost over. Have you seen the new channel designs they are forcing on everyone? The comments on videos are almost done away with entirely.

As far as p2p videos, I think this would be great. You would have to figure out a way to protect the users IP addresses though. There has to be some way that it could be incorporated with IPTV. I know there are sites where you can stream videos online, but they are not community driven.

 

[buffalokid777]

dear god...

my generation is filled with 98% complete retards.

Don't feel bad, it was done by design.

Centralized education is what allowed it to happen.

We used to have a saying in computer programming when I went to college.

GIGO

Garbage In=Garbage Out

Centralized education insured that when garbage went in to everyone, garbage is what would come out of them.

We still need to keep our eye on the prize of killing the Department of Education if we can ever kill the beast called the Federal Reserve.

 

[nayjevin]

I have never used bittorrent but from what I understand it would be limited to people having special software. That is better than complete censorship even if not as good as freely viewable video from a link online. However tech savvy people tend to be informed in general, much of the aidience that needs to be informed may not be that well versed in such tech tools I'm afraid.

Bit Torrent is easier to learn than email -- just as easy as LimeWire to download stuff. To make a video available on BitTorrent is a bit more difficult, but all you'd have to do is email it to someone who knows how.

 

[nayjevin]

As far as p2p videos, I think this would be great. You would have to figure out a way to protect the users IP addresses though. There has to be some way that it could be incorporated with IPTV. I know there are sites where you can stream videos online, but they are not community driven.

http://gnunet.org/

 

[Expatriate]

BitTorrent requires you to install specific software, and then you have to download videos and play them offline unlike YouTube which works within your browser. Videos distributed via BitTorrent will never have anywhere near the viewership that Youtube videos have.

Also, now whenever I use BitTorrent I get threats from my ISP saying I have downloaded copyrighted material even though I haven't. According to them, if I do it again I will be charged $300.

Anyone know a way to use bittorrent without the ISP detecting it?

 

[catdd]

The ADL partnered up with youtube a few months back . There's your problem.

 

[nayjevin]

BitTorrent requires you to install specific software, and then you have to download videos and play them offline unlike YouTube which works within your browser. Videos distributed via BitTorrent will never have anywhere near the viewership that Youtube videos have.

true, but we're talking about videos that get taken down from youtube. so long as there is no viable in-browser alternative, bit-torrent is the way to go. also, BT cannot be stopped unless the entire internet is shut down. also, people who can use bit torrent can get the videos and upload them to various online sites over and over again for people who can't use it.

believe me, it's worth the learning curve (I could teach a 12 year old) to ensure your video doesn't get lost forever.

supposedly pirate bay is coming out with a new streaming video site, anxious to see what that's all about.

Also, now whenever I use BitTorrent I get threats from my ISP saying I have downloaded copyrighted material even though I haven't. According to them, if I do it again I will be charged $300.

Anyone know a way to use bittorrent without the ISP detecting it?

no, but your problem is uncommon. get a different ISP. my understanding is that certain ISP's have agreed to make these baseless threats. this would also mean they may cooperate were charges brought against you. also, as i understand it, it is not illegal to backup your DVD's by downloading a copy online -- making the simple downloading of material that is copyrighted not a crime in and of itself.

 

[revolutionisnow]

http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/

 

[devil21]

That's a reason why I think it's important to make more people use the technology, it would tremendously undermine any attempts at controlling information. Everyone on this forum should have a client installed, many web browsers have the technology built-in as well, so it's quite easy starting to use it. There are online guides to it as well. Having people make the step of starting to use it would be great.

Come to think of it, someone could make a peer2peer video hosting system too, where the load of storing and distributing the data is spread out, so the host doesn't need to store or transfer very much data. It could be possible making a Java client perhaps. My tech skills aren't up-to-date with the requirements, but maybe some people on this site could make it happen.

Making the world a better place would be so much easier if everyone realized they had to share the responsibility.

Just make sure you remove any copywritten material from the PC you use! If you have illegally downloaded files then the software may just "share" them without you knowing. There's where the lawsuits come from.

 

[Liberty Star]

YouTube - Max Blumenthal Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem

Someone has reposted it.

Good find.

That's not a bad idea to circumvent their so called ban of a video clip like this.

 

[Crash Martinez]

. . . .and censorship would never become a problem.

I thought that was cute.