You're all voting for Johnson so the LP gets matching funds, right?

[P3ter_Griffin]

Since you seem to have missed it, OB and specs already presented it;

This ain't a movie.

Turning down the funds could be a good way to highlight the public dollars funneled into the elections and two major parties.

 

[Origanalist]

This ain't a movie.

Turning down the funds could be a good way to highlight the public dollars funneled into the elections and two major parties.

And who is going to do that?

 

[Origanalist]

And what the hell does movies have to do with any of this?

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

And what the hell does movies have to do with any of this?

I'm saying it is not scripted. And we can influence future results if we put our minds to it.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

And who is going to do that?

I imagine the 'matching funds' would go to the party directly so the party chair and body?

 

[Origanalist]

I imagine the 'matching funds' would go to the party directly so the party chair and body?

I guess hope springs eternal.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

I guess hope springs eternal.

Not a big issue for me either way but I do think they should reject it if it is offered. And I think there can be benefits in rejecting the funds.

 

[bunklocoempire]

Just look at all the good that 501(c) money did for the church..... oh wait....

Agree 110%. Dig those state churches.

It's one slick, evil trick of the flesh -a believer being comfortable and thinking government had something to do with it.

Did someone mention movies?

I'm here a week now... waiting for a mission... getting softer. Every minute I stay in this room, I get weaker, and every minute Charlie squats in the bush, he gets stronger. Each time I looked around the walls moved in a little tighter.

 

[Jesse James]

In what way will Gary getting matching funds give you back your money?

I'm supporting the practice in general. I'm not talking about voting for the libertarian party. reading comprehension

 

[Jesse James]

Who says?

people who say it is immoral to take money from the government, if they don't want to be hypocrites.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

Roughly 20% of a largely unmoderated forum who support Trump should not come as that much of a surprise. I am curious though, you do understand that opposition to Gary Johnson does not auto-magically mean support for Trump or Clinton, right?

yes i understand

 

[euphemia]

people who say it is immoral to take money from the government, if they don't want to be hypocrites.

That's a stretch. The Constitution says Congress is required to maintain a post office and the roads necessary to deliver mail.

Driving on a road is not the same thing as accepting a check for a failed campaign. People freely give tax deductible donations to political campaigns. They get their money back, for the most part and can give more to the loser Libertarian Party if they want. Road money is confiscated.

 

[Athan]

Been out of the forums since Rand dropped out. Was planning to sit this election out, when I read that the LP will be eligible for $10 million in Federal matching funds if Johnson crosses the 5% threshold.

Personally, I like Gary anyway, but isn't getting the LP $10 million a goal we can all get behind?

I voted for Johnson at Ron Paul's recommendation in 2008. That dude has gone friggin mental this year, from throwing a dude's gift pistol, going full retard on a female reporter talking with his tongue in his mouth, and recently aggressively scolding a reporter asking a question like a crazed maniac. I'll never cast a vote for that idiot. Dude has single-handedly destroyed a lot of credibility built up by Ron Paul.

 

[phill4paul]

I voted for Johnson at Ron Paul's recommendation in 2008. That dude has gone friggin mental this year, from throwing a dude's gift pistol, going full retard on a female reporter talking with his tongue in his mouth, and recently aggressively scolding a reporter asking a question like a crazed maniac. I'll never cast a vote for that idiot. Dude has single-handedly destroyed a lot of credibility built up by Ron Paul.

From what I understand he swore off marijuana for the election. Might have something to do with it. He needs to get back on his "meds."

 

[euphemia]

Just look at all the good that 501(c) money did for the church..... oh wait....

How does the church take money from the federal government, exactly? The church members pay taxes. Pastors, because the government can't recognize God as an employer, are considered independent contractors. Even though pastors generally make very little, they are taxed at much higher rates and have to pay Social Security, insurance, and whatnot. I have a lot of pastor friends who have churches in rural, economically depressed areas. It isn't easy. Many of them work second jobs to get by.

You never saw Hillary or Bill do that, even though they make a lot of money and their friends get hefty deductions for their so-called charitable giving.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

How does the church take money from the federal government, exactly? The church members pay taxes. Pastors, because the government can't recognize God as an employer, are considered independent contractors. Even though pastors generally make very little, they are taxed at much higher rates and have to pay Social Security, insurance, and whatnot. I have a lot of pastor friends who have churches in rural, economically depressed areas. It isn't easy. Many of them work second jobs to get by.

You never saw Hillary or Bill do that, even though they make a lot of money and their friends get hefty deductions for their so-called charitable giving.

Because 501(c)3 allows donations to churches to be written off on the donor's income taxes, that money (which has been given to a church and then deducted from income taxes) is technically "taxpayer money," whereupon being taxpayer money it comes with certain strings attached, like regulating what may and may not be spoken from the pulpit.

 

[Ender]

Because 501(c)3 allows donations to churches to be written off on the donor's income taxes, that money (which has been given to a church and then deducted from income taxes) is technically "taxpayer money," whereupon being taxpayer money it comes with certain strings attached, like regulating what may and may not be spoken from the pulpit.

Churches were always tax-exempt from the founding of the country, but then most were conned into LBJ's 501(c)3 crapolla so that the gov actually controls them.

 

[specsaregood]

I voted for Johnson at Ron Paul's recommendation in 2008. That dude has gone friggin mental this year, from throwing a dude's gift pistol, going full retard on a female reporter talking with his tongue in his mouth, and recently aggressively scolding a reporter asking a question like a crazed maniac. I'll never cast a vote for that idiot. Dude has single-handedly destroyed a lot of credibility built up by Ron Paul.

You have your names and/or years off. Johnson wasn't a candidate for anything in 2008 and I don't think RP recommended voting for him in 2012.

 

[euphemia]

Because 501(c)3 allows donations to churches to be written off on the donor's income taxes, that money (which has been given to a church and then deducted from income taxes) is technically "taxpayer money," whereupon being taxpayer money it comes with certain strings attached, like regulating what may and may not be spoken from the pulpit.

But there are other nonprofits, like the Clinton Foundation, that do nothing but enrich the Clintons, that are tax deductible. Those deductions are also taxpayer dollars. So basically, it's a big, fat money laundering operation at government expense.

My church has several hundred members and is fairly affluent, but I can guarantee you they do a lot of charitable work. They have a very good reputation here in our community for charity. We don't give because of the tax deduction. We give because God asks us to give and because the church is accountable for how they spend the money. They certainly do not buy political favors with it.

 

[Jesse James]

You have your names and/or years off. Johnson wasn't a candidate for anything in 2008 and I don't think RP recommended voting for him in 2012.

yes.

Ron has never supported Johnson. don't know what this guy is talking about