"You will own nothing" - WEF & the "Great Reset"

On just this site I've heard libertarians support open borders,

100+ years ago, all borders were open (no passports/visas/etc.) Within the West, especially Europe, it was possible in peacetime to travel from any city to virtually any other city without impediment of any kind except the money to fund your travels. Somehow, the world did not instantly collapse. Proper libertarian policy on borders has to do with understanding what changed over the last century. Hint: it has something to do with the rise of the omnipotent State.

free trade (without even defenses against foreign trade warfare),

"Economic warfare" is not something that would matter if you have free trade externally and internally. It only matters if you're trying to run a global empire. Then your enemies will nationalize their prices to try to push back against your insane imperial policies in order to disrupt to local commerce.

unbridled corporatism

Unbridled corporatism in a society where you have unbridled individualism, harms no one. You can be the greediest robber baron capitalist in the universe, but if I'm free to just leave your employment and go work for the guy across the street, you're nothing more than a run-of-the-mill a-hole who's on his way to bankruptcy, as it ought to be. Corporatism is a corollary of statism. Corporations would have no power to abuse their employees and customers if it was not given to them by the omnipotent State.

tax breaks

There is no such thing.
 
And you can't gaslight me, because you've never seen some of us support any of those things, you completely unrepentant collectivist.

One bad apple don't spoil the whole GOP barrel, but let one get in the LP barrel and you're ready to toss every apple and burn the hogshead just to be sure. If you want us in your club so bad as this, did it ever occur to you to stop maligning and libeling us? Might be a more effective strategy--as in, it might not be completely self-defeating...

Now. Let's get this thing back on topic, shall we? Or are you not done making an ass of yourself?

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So you get to be collectivist when using Schwab's attack as a blanket defense of all libertarians?
You set the terms of this conversation and I responded within those terms.
 
100+ years ago, all borders were open (no passports/visas/etc.) Within the West, especially Europe, it was possible in peacetime to travel from any city to virtually any other city without impediment of any kind except the money to fund your travels. Somehow, the world did not instantly collapse. Proper libertarian policy on borders has to do with understanding what changed over the last century. Hint: it has something to do with the rise of the omnipotent State.
Wide open borders have caused Chaos for milenia, including things like the fall of the western Roman Empire.
The temporary period of Christian/European dominance that allowed laxer controls ended with the rise of international and globalist conspiracies that began to ruthlessly abuse things like lax borders.


"Economic warfare" is not something that would matter if you have free trade externally and internally. It only matters if you're trying to run a global empire. Then your enemies will nationalize their prices to try to push back against your insane imperial policies in order to disrupt to local commerce.
That's utter nonsense.
Enemies will use it to destroy and conquer you no matter how much you leave them alone, just like conventional warfare.



Unbridled corporatism in a society where you have unbridled individualism, harms no one. You can be the greediest robber baron capitalist in the universe, but if I'm free to just leave your employment and go work for the guy across the street, you're nothing more than a run-of-the-mill a-hole who's on his way to bankruptcy, as it ought to be. Corporatism is a corollary of statism. Corporations would have no power to abuse their employees and customers if it was not given to them by the omnipotent State.
That is highly optimistic.
But even if it were true we do not have such a society where there are an infinite number of employment and shopping options, we have a multigenerational Robber Baron society where a handful of wealthy and powerful can nearly dictate who can buy and sell and control everyone.
The Corpotarians know this as well as the rest of us do, but they insist on fixing the problems in the wrong and destructive order (accepting for a moment that your idea would work in a different society for the sake of argument) because they are either complicit or slavish ideologues who care more about libertarian virtue signalling than the actual outcome of their policies.
They do exactly the same thing with open borders while we still have a welfare state, even if open borders would work without the welfare state they will only lead to destruction and tyranny while we still have one and you have to get rid of it first.


There is no such thing.
Don't play word games.
Even if you define all taxation as theft there are still lesser levels of taxation that are given to connected people to advantage them over everyone else.
Everyone else is then robbed more either through increased taxation to make up for the decreased revenue or through increased inflation from deficit spending.
It's utter corruption and yet many libertarians will defend it with "any decrease in taxes for anyone is a victory" as if they suddenly forget that tax increases for others and inflation exist.

Libertarians can be some of the best friends globalists have either through stupidity or complicity by wolves in Dodo Bird's clothing.
 
So you get to be collectivist when using Schwab's attack as a blanket defense of all libertarians?

I didn't defend anyone. I just pointed out one of the things you have in common with the fat old fart.

You set the terms of this conversation and I responded within those terms.

No, what you did is refuse to say how you figure this thread is an excuse to post the usual spam, when that spam is about Japan. That's certainly not within any terms I set. It's my question you're trying and failing to duck.
 
I didn't defend anyone. I just pointed out one of the things you have in common with the fat old fart.
And I pointed out all the things libertarians (whom you were defending as a group as if they are beyond all criticism because of his pretended fear of them) share with him.
You personally have quite a bit more in common with him than I do.


No, what you did is refuse to say how you figure this thread is an excuse to post the usual spam, when that spam is about Japan. That's certainly not within any terms I set. It's my question you're trying and failing to duck.
LOL
This thread is about the robbery of everything and everyone all over the world.
I posted a story about the effects of the robbery.
You came in to pick a personal fight on an irrelevant subject in order to disrupt the thread.
 
Loses at his own game. Demands everyone else stop playing his own game.

LOL.
Dream on.
Your posts bear ever less relation to reality every passing day.
You (and in this case Clayton) lost so Clayton started playing word games.
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I know that if you want a pat on the back you have to do it yourself, but still. Don't break your arm.

Let's really get back to the topic after the hijack and distraction attempt.
The topic is about how everyone is being robbed of everything.

You don't do that by saying it, then continuing to be petty. And you don't get back to the topic by saying it's something other than what the thread title says it is.

Here's how it's really done, by people who really want to do it:

https://twitter.com/_ClimateCraze/status/1734553321657041287



And here's how we can all be sure that this is a direct setback for the assholes this thread is about.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/01/spain-portugal-green-hydrogen-powerhouse-davos23/

WEF said:
The time has come for Spain and Portugal to step forward: they are uniquely positioned to start producing green hydrogen at scale.

Not if they're refusing to play the "green" electricity game, no. That makes them very poorly positioned to do that thing.
 
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Wide open borders have caused Chaos for milenia, including things like the fall of the western Roman Empire.
The temporary period of Christian/European dominance that allowed laxer controls ended with the rise of international and globalist conspiracies that began to ruthlessly abuse things like lax borders.

OK, but the fixation on closing the borders for its own sake ignores the bigger issues at stake. That's my point. It's the decline of Christian culture in the West that is the problem. Pre-WWI Europe was not simply "lax on borders", and they certainly enforced their continental borders and did not allow Ottomans, etc. to come wandering in if they felt like it. The reason the internal borders could be so "lax" was that common binding culture, which we have lost. We are even seeing this today, where maybe we do seal up our national borders, but the problem is we're just going to have to keep going down to sealing State-level borders as well, to keep the California hordes from invading the rest of us, etc. The problem is not merely logistics, the problem is cultural, but by engaging the Left on this issue, it's like the bull charging the red-flag waved by the bull-fighter. They want to fight us on borders, because they know it distracts from the real issue, which is their cultural war on Christian culture and our American heritage.

Yes, there are ignorant libertarians who support throwing open the borders to the hordes of the world's prisons, which is insane. I'm not one of those, but I also see the trap that the Left is leading the Right into, and the Right as always, is falling for it.

That's utter nonsense.
Enemies will use it to destroy and conquer you no matter how much you leave them alone, just like conventional warfare.

If you have truly free domestic markets, there is nothing a foreign country can do to hurt your economy. "We won't sell you figs anymore!" Fine, don't sell us figs. We'll just buy them elsewhere or grow them here and let the market adjust prices accordingly.

That is highly optimistic.
But even if it were true we do not have such a society where there are an infinite number of employment and shopping options, we have a multigenerational Robber Baron society where a handful of wealthy and powerful can nearly dictate who can buy and sell and control everyone.

Sure, I get that. But the solution begins by challenging the status quo at its very foundations. Too often, the Right lets the Marxist Left set the bounds of discussion. They lock horns on derivative issues that are so far removed from the root causes that it won't matter even if they win the argument. This is how the Left has been wagging-the-dog for over a century and the Right falls for this simple trick every time, because the Right is pugnacious and can never turn down a fistfight, even if it is only verbal. This is how the Left spins the Right around in circles without even breaking a sweat. And for a century and counting, the Right has been MIA because it has been completely nullified by these simple tricks which are really rooted in its own besetting sins. The Left may be the devil, but he's not wrong about our sins... a point that is too often forgotten...

The Corpotarians know this as well as the rest of us do, but they insist on fixing the problems in the wrong and destructive order (accepting for a moment that your idea would work in a different society for the sake of argument) because they are either complicit or slavish ideologues who care more about libertarian virtue signalling than the actual outcome of their policies.

Sure, I agree that there are reckless and indifferent libertarians like that, especially in the old capital-L Libertarian circles. But there is a new wave of libertarianism on the scene, mostly centered on the Mises Institute and the Ron Paul revolution, and we need to stop pretending that doesn't exist and that every libertarian is a 1980's-era "don't touch my porn-stash" libertine.

They do exactly the same thing with open borders while we still have a welfare state, even if open borders would work without the welfare state they will only lead to destruction and tyranny while we still have one and you have to get rid of it first.

I am not advocating for open borders. We need to have proper borders, obviously, just like a house needs walls. But it is obvious that the Left is winning this issue and has been winning it for decades, easily, and the reason is because they are just luring the Right into a fight over stupid issues that are rooted in sinful attitudes in the Right, including things like racism. While the Right is not racist, there is racism in the Right, and this is one reason why the Left is able to keep winning this argument and keeps inviting us to fight them over it. The Right, as always, can never turn down a fistfight and smashes into the waving red-flag as predictably as a bull in a ring.

Even if you define all taxation as theft there are still lesser levels of taxation that are given to connected people to advantage them over everyone else.

Taxation is theft (robbery, actually) because it is collected by means of compulsion. Yes, "tax breaks" are an implicit subsidy, I get it. But words matter. There is no such thing as a "tax break". My paycheck is my property, and the government steals from it, plain and simple. If they steal less, that is not a "tax break", it's only what should have been to begin with. Our system of government is doomed because our rulers are unjust and the revenue system (including the central bank) is the beating heart of that unjust and corrupt system. Their only two options are (a) change and stop committing crimes or (b) be obliterated into the dustbin of history and forgotten.

It's utter corruption and yet many libertarians will defend it with "any decrease in taxes for anyone is a victory" as if they suddenly forget that tax increases for others and inflation exist.

Any "libertarian" that supports subsidy through selective "tax breaks" is a moron. And they invariably turn out to be RINOs and neoCONs in libertarian-clothing. "Look at me, I'm such a libertarian, I support all these big-government polices but don't mind that, I'm a libertarian!"

Libertarians can be some of the best friends globalists have either through stupidity or complicity by wolves in Dodo Bird's clothing.

We need to invent a new acronym for the kind of people you're talking about... LINOs "Libertarian In Name Only".... there surely are lots of them!!
 
OK, but the fixation on closing the borders for its own sake ignores the bigger issues at stake. That's my point. It's the decline of Christian culture in the West that is the problem. Pre-WWI Europe was not simply "lax on borders", and they certainly enforced their continental borders and did not allow Ottomans, etc. to come wandering in if they felt like it. The reason the internal borders could be so "lax" was that common binding culture, which we have lost. We are even seeing this today, where maybe we do seal up our national borders, but the problem is we're just going to have to keep going down to sealing State-level borders as well, to keep the California hordes from invading the rest of us, etc. The problem is not merely logistics, the problem is cultural, but by engaging the Left on this issue, it's like the bull charging the red-flag waved by the bull-fighter. They want to fight us on borders, because they know it distracts from the real issue, which is their cultural war on Christian culture and our American heritage.
Unfortunately we have no control over the culture in the countries the invaders come from, and they can in modern times come from anywhere on the globe in record time.
Internally we can do what we can on the cultural end and expel the domestic enemies with or without the territory they occupy.

If you have truly free domestic markets, there is nothing a foreign country can do to hurt your economy. "We won't sell you figs anymore!" Fine, don't sell us figs. We'll just buy them elsewhere or grow them here and let the market adjust prices accordingly.
They can flood your market with slave labor goods to destroy your industry or deny vital resources that you do not posses.
The world is ever more unified and controlled and could easily be used to deny some resource to you all at once.


Sure, I agree that there are reckless and indifferent libertarians like that, especially in the old capital-L Libertarian circles. But there is a new wave of libertarianism on the scene, mostly centered on the Mises Institute and the Ron Paul revolution, and we need to stop pretending that doesn't exist and that every libertarian is a 1980's-era "don't touch my porn-stash" libertine.
The important issue is which kind are in power in the party, the movement at large, or in office in the places they win.
The answer to that question may be changing but it is not changed enough.
The pornstash guys are still going strong with the tranny stuff etc. and the short term thinking with their cash register types are still strong as well.


I am not advocating for open borders. We need to have proper borders, obviously, just like a house needs walls. But it is obvious that the Left is winning this issue and has been winning it for decades, easily, and the reason is because they are just luring the Right into a fight over stupid issues that are rooted in sinful attitudes in the Right, including things like racism. While the Right is not racist, there is racism in the Right, and this is one reason why the Left is able to keep winning this argument and keeps inviting us to fight them over it. The Right, as always, can never turn down a fistfight and smashes into the waving red-flag as predictably as a bull in a ring.
Nonsense.
The right has been losing the border issue for the simple reason that the RINOs and cash register libertarian Boomers want slave labor to rob the rising generations and have even more money to waste on vanity luxuries while Spending the Kids Inheritance.

We need to invent a new acronym for the kind of people you're talking about... LINOs "Libertarian In Name Only".... there surely are lots of them!!
Agreed.
 
Average people mostly in America already pretty much already own nothing , they just dont realize it yet. They own some FRN's , worthless unbacked paper being devalued by several hundred percent in the past 2 1/2 decades alone , they own a 401k of stocks and bonds , more paper that can plummet in a moment , they owe on a home that even if it were pd for they only get to keep as long as property taxes are pd or they will be forcibly removed and it will be auctioned. That is nothing . It has been nothing .
 
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