You say you want a revolution?

[vodalian]

Nah, I would rather support Ron Paul thank you very much. QUOTE]

Looking thru your posts, all I see is complaint after complaint with a condescending tone to boot.

How do you expect for us to get anywhere when all you do is continually criticize everyone and everything?

Everyone and everything? Obviously you didn't read my posts then. The only ones I have criticized are the ones who are trying to take money from the campaign. Someone needs to speak up since it's obvious that so many people don't give a damn, either that or are so comfortable that they don't mind wasting countless tens of thousands of dollars during this crucial time.

Very ironic, I'm one of the few actually defending the campaign by trying to prevent people from taking tens of thousands of dollars from them, yet I'm the bad guy? These guys must be good..

 

[rrroae]

Don't feed the trolls!!

 

[erin moore]

Our opitmism and excitement really seem to get under your skin. I hope you can find peace with that. Honestly. I'm with the poster from earlier, I am coming here for motivation and suport.

I've been handing out slim jims and liberty cards like crazy. (I think people are getting a little weary of me for it Out here not a lot of people have heard of Ron Paul yet so it can be tiresome getting over that- 'oh not another politician' stance.

So ANYway..... its just the greatest lift to be able to come here and feel the love so to speak.

 

[vodalian]

Don't feed the trolls!!

Already resorted to the last resort/immature "you are a TROLLL" comments? That was waaayyy too easy...

I don't really care what you think about me. You can call me any 10yr old insult that comes to mind, it won't stop me from standing up for Ron Paul.

 

[rrroae]

Erin, God bless you.

I'm going to make another donation right now just because you've inspired me.

 

[erin moore]

Wow. Thanks. You just inspired me right back.

 

[vodalian]

Our opitmism and excitement really seem to get under your skin.

Under my skin? Hmm.. Not really, it takes quite a bit to get under my skin. Although, it is frustrating repeating myself and trying to teach you guys how wasting tens of thousands of dollars is a bad thing, not a good thing. I never expected that I would have to teach such basic economics to supporters of an economist . Although, I have a funny feeling that you guys already know what is going on here. The amount that is being wasted alone (not counting the costs associated with just the blimp) is enough to make all of the difference in the world approaching the primaries. But that's not important right? I'm just a downer who is ruining your spending fun!!

 

[rrroae]

I think I'm going to give another $25. I'm getting excited about this.

 

[huchahucha]

Geez, what is it with you guys? I started reading this forum because of all the optimism and enthusiasm about liberty. Have I been that wrong? All it takes is a stupid blimp to divide this group of people and make the exact same mistakes we said only 'the others' would? If that's true then maybe we don't even deserve a revolution.

The way I understand things starting a company was the only way Trevor could make his blimp idea work while NOT hindering the official campaign in any way. Let him try his idea and simply don't pay for it if you don't like it. That's the libertarian way.

Libertarianism is all about private organizations having innovative ideas and relying on voluntary funds to pay for them, hell perhaps even make some profit. It's NOT about telling other people what to do with their time and money.

Now let's get back to optimism and smiling, please

Well put. This place is starting to sound like a John Edwards rally. Despite what you may have heard, Capitalism is GOOD. Profit is GOOD. Privitization is GOOD. I sincerely hope that this project is wildly successful, and I hope Trevor and the rest of the crew earn a lot of money doing it.
I can not see the down side to being an investor in our own private advertising company that exclusively promotes Ron Paul. Sure, we have a grassroots that the other campaigns can't even touch. But moving it to the next level of grassroots INC. is territory the other campaigns have never dreamed of. They are hampered by the rules the government has laid down for them while we are FREELY making our own rules. I thought that is what we were fighting for all along.

Competition is also GOOD. If you think the blimp project sucks and you think you can do better, then do it.

 

[korch]

My post count is very low, but...

Everyone and everything? Obviously you didn't read my posts then. The only ones I have criticized are the ones who are trying to take money from the campaign. Someone needs to speak up since it's obvious that so many people don't give a damn, either that or are so comfortable that they don't mind wasting countless tens of thousands of dollars during this crucial time.

Very ironic, I'm one of the few actually defending the campaign by trying to prevent people from taking tens of thousands of dollars from them, yet I'm the bad guy? These guys must be good..

Vodalian:

I just looked through your posts since you stated others didn't. I'm not seeing much other than blimp bluster.

As to wasting tens of thousands of dollars, does the same not hold true for blimp supporters as for Dennis Hof? "What one person chooses to do with their liberty is none of anyone else's business."

I, too, donate to the official campaign, hand out slimjims, liberty cards, put up yard signs in friends/family yards that I can sway, sign wave, etc. I'm neither wealthy or poor. I also believed the blimp to be ludicrous at first. Then, the more I thought of it, the more I liked the idea--so I pitched a few bucks that way. Because I want to see the thing get off the ground--mostly because of the negativity and laughter hurled towards it on Huffington Post and Wonkette.

I'm just trying to figure out why another Paul supporter is trying to browbeat others to his worldview on this. It doesn't fit the message of the campaign at all.

Don't like it? Don't give any of your money. Otherwise, leave people to live their lives and spend their money as they see fit.

Edit: Don't know why rrroae is shown as the poster--this reply is to message #21 of this thread.

 

[vodalian]

I think I'm going to give another $25. I'm getting excited about this.

Quite the loyal customer you are! If you weren't obviously just making up numbers as a last resort attempt to win an argument you know you can't win, I would probably find that statement to be pretty hilarious, especially after I have shown you how it is harming the campaign. The funniness would not be the result of comedy, as in Jerry Seinfeld Etc, but more out of pity, you know.. the "Paris Hilton is going to jail" kind of laugh. You guys so far have no been able to prove a single thing i have said wrong. Your only arguments have been:
- You are ruining our fun
- You are a troll + other random ridiculous sounding E-Terms.
- You are being negative.


My answer is. Boo hoo.

 

[vodalian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

 

[erin moore]

WooHoo

$88,750 purchased as of 12:15 pm 12/04/07 EST

 

[rrroae]

WooHoo

$88,750 purchased as of 12:15 pm 12/04/07 EST

We're going to do it!!!

Can't wait to see that big beautiful blimp in the air over Boston on the 16th!!

 

[Exponent]

I just explained to you how tens of thousands of dollars are being needlessly wasted from the campaign instead of being put into the primaries and you think it's awesome? And you wonder why your legitimacy was questioned? It's like I'm in the twilight zone or something.. Either that, or I'm in the middle of a really well planed and f###ed up operation.. I really hope it's #1.

Not everyone agrees with you that the blimp project, even as it is currently budgeted, is a waste of money. You and them are simply operating under a different set of premises. I am quite sure that if you could convince them that it is in fact a waste of money, that they wouldn't send the blimp people money. But you're not trying to convince them that it is a waste, you're trying to convince them that since it is a waste, they shouldn't do it. That's like an atheist trying to convince a Christian that since God doesn't exist, they shouldn't bothing going to church. If you don't share the basic premises, you likely won't agree on the validity of various arguments.

And besides, the whole argument about whether or not the additional money is a waste has been argued constantly here anyway. People are aware of the arguments, and most have made up their minds, one way or another. You might not like it, but how do you think you're actually going to change anything at this point?

 

[JohnnyWrath]

Self promotion...

In keeping with his maverick money-raising schemes, Lyman — who has never met Paul but has spoken to him once — is also behind one of the most unconventional grassroots Paul pushes: an effort to raise $350,000 to launch a "Ron Paul Blimp" that would fly around the country touting Paul's candidacy. At press time, more than $272,000 had already been pledged to the stunt. "That one was all my idea," he said from his former home state of New Hampshire

 

[vodalian]

WooHoo

$88,750 purchased as of 12:15 pm 12/04/07 EST

I have taken part in many debates, I have also watched many debates, and I have never seen people cave THIS fast without even addressing a single issue. This was too easy.. You could have at least stuck with the talking in circles...

 

[vodalian]

You might not like it, but how do you think you're actually going to change anything at this point?

Hmm.. I don't know, by actually speaking up for what is right instead of throwing on a cheerleader outfit and ignoring all of the details and pretending like tens of thousands of dollars is not important right before the primaries? I may not be making friends, but I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to support Ron Paul and do everything I can to help him become president, even if that means risking a possible position as a "cooool forum guy".


Wait a minute.. Maybe I'm in the wrong forum.. I thought this was a forum created to support a die hard financial conservative who has spent much of his career verbally protesting against wasted spending.....

 

[rrroae]

I feel we've really got some momentum going!!


Google Order #621727832487986

Shipping Status Qty Item Price
Not yet shipped 1 Sponsorship of the Ron Paul Blimp Tour - 10.8 minutes $100.00
Tax (PA) : $0.00
Total: $100.00

 

[vodalian]

I feel we've really got some momentum going!!


Google Order #621727832487986

Shipping Status Qty Item Price
Not yet shipped 1 Sponsorship of the Ron Paul Blimp Tour - 10.8 minutes $100.00
Tax (PA) : $0.00
Total: $100.00

Not bad, not only have I made you cave in a debate without you even responding to a single issue, I'm also draining your wallet by just pointing that out!! Again, this seems waaay too easy..