You have the right to bear arms, not “electrical” arms, court declares

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You have the right to bear arms, not “electrical” arms, court declares

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...bear-arms-not-electrical-arms-court-declares/

Massachusetts' ban on the private possession of stun guns—an "electrical weapon" under the statute—does not violate the Second Amendment right to bear arms, the state's top court has ruled.

The decision says (PDF) that the US Constitution's framers never envisioned the modern stun-gun device, first patented in 1972. The top court said stun guns are not suitable for military use, and that it did not matter whether state lawmakers have approved the possession of handguns outside the home.

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The Massachusetts top court concluded that the woman could have applied for a permit to carry a concealed weapon, like a handgun instead.

"Barring any cause for disqualification the defendant could have applied for a license to carry a firearm," the court ruled.

The court added that, "possession of mace or pepper spray for self-defense no longer requires a license."

That seems strange, according to Michael E. Rosman, general counsel for the Center for Individual Rights in Washington, D.C.

In Massachusetts, he told the Boston Globe, the public is "permitted with a license to have guns and carry guns. It makes no sense to say you shouldn’t be allowed to have a weapon that you can defend yourself with, but is less dangerous to the attacker."

The ban on stun guns, he told the Globe, is “perverse” because they are less lethal than other weapons.

The public, he said, is “being pushed into handgun possession by the ban on stun guns.”


-t
 
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...bear-arms-not-electrical-arms-court-declares/

Massachusetts' ban on the private possession of stun guns—an "electrical weapon" under the statute—does not violate the Second Amendment right to bear arms, the state's top court has ruled.

The decision says (PDF) that the US Constitution's framers never envisioned the modern stun-gun device, first patented in 1972. The top court said stun guns are not suitable for military use, and that it did not matter whether state lawmakers have approved the possession of handguns outside the home.

So I can't own a machine gun because only the military and police can have them and I can't own a stun gun because the military doesn't use them. Does anybody else see the logical inconsistency here?
 
So I can't own a machine gun because only the military and police can have them and I can't own a stun gun because the military doesn't use them. Does anybody else see the logical inconsistency here?

What state do you live in?

Class III firearms are legal in most states, even anti-gun states like California and Maryland. No new ones can be sold to the public (manufactured/imported) but used ones can be bought. They are very expensive due to the limited supply of them and demand. The last M60 I saw for sale was $14,000. You do have to go through a background check and pay a one time $200 transfer tax and some states impose a $50 a year tax. You have to ask BATFE for permission to take one across state lines, like if you want to take yours to Knob Creek.

They are very expensive to shoot... You can go through hundreds of dollars worth of ammo in a couple of minutes.

-t
 
So I can't own a machine gun because only the military and police can have them and I can't own a stun gun because the military doesn't use them. Does anybody else see the logical inconsistency here?

Makes sense to me. Stun guns aren't very useful for shooting tin cans in your back yard, which is what the 2nd amendment is there to protect
 
What state do you live in?

Class III firearms are legal in most states, even anti-gun states like California and Maryland. No new ones can be sold to the public (manufactured/imported) but used ones can be bought. They are very expensive due to the limited supply of them and demand. The last M60 I saw for sale was $14,000. You do have to go through a background check and pay a one time $200 transfer tax and some states impose a $50 a year tax. You have to ask BATFE for permission to take one across state lines, like if you want to take yours to Knob Creek.

They are very expensive to shoot... You can go through hundreds of dollars worth of ammo in a couple of minutes.

-t

You're missing the point. All of the restrictions that you have listed constitute a defacto ban. You're familiar with the Heller decision right? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller) The D.C. gun ban allowed people, under very narrow circumstances, to own guns. The restriction on that ownership was so broad that it was considered an unconstitutional ban. Having to get permission from the BATF to take my gun across state lines, not being able to manufacture one myself, not being able to import one, all constitute a ban. If a law like that was passed against all guns, everyone would realize that is a ban.

My point is that if the reason stun guns can be banned is that they are not the kind most likely to be used by the military (although military police use stun guns), then it only makes sense that the gun that receives the highest protection from the court is the one the military uses. Standard issue for soldiers is a fully automatic assault rifle. So it should be just as easy for me to buy a fully automatic assault rifle as it is for me to be a shotgun. In fact it should be easier for me to buy a fully automatic assault rifle. If the government wants to ban revolvers okay. Banning semiautomatic handguns not okay because that's standard issue for the military. Antitank rockets aren't standard issue for every soldier so I guess banning them are okay. I'm not sure about grenade launchers. But if they are, or become, standard issue then every American should be able to own one. Same goes for body armor.

And the whole argument for the (thankfully now expired) assault weapons ban was the need to ban "military style" assault weapons.
 
Antitank rockets aren't standard issue for every soldier so I guess banning them are okay.

Agreed. Anti-tank rockets are very useful for destroying tanks, but they are not useful for shooting tin cans in your backyard, so I guess banning them is okay.
 
Agreed. Anti-tank rockets are very useful for destroying tanks, but they are not useful for shooting tin cans in your backyard, so I guess banning them is okay.

How do you know this?
 
Especially when trying to stop a tank that's in your backyard.

I have a tank trap in the front and topography eliminates the other three sides.I am only concerned by drones if at home, but if I go out......LOL
 
Next Halloween , I intend to recruit my trick or treaters to help me start to build my anti drone , drones.
 
Did you ever notice that Police Training with Tazers usually entails the use of a good pair of Safety Goggles,
do they give those out to their victims or ask them if they have a history of heart problems,
have them fill out a health card for potential risk of convulsions or general
susceptability to sudden death from lethally repeated electric shock that would kill an elephant
or "can you live long enough for me to change batteries before I continue to
kill you with my HUMANE stun gun? ..."
.
Victory for their Police Depts, they are still allowed to intimidate, petrify, torture and
kill unruly citizens with tazers/stun guns.

..
 
A very close person to me who I will not name purchased a police style issue stun gun several years ago. It still sits in the "pistol" case from the dealer. They found out recently from someone who would know that they should never let authorities know of it. Apparently, this style is STRICTLY forbidden to "civilians" now.

Sad thing is though, to use it means having to purchase reloads for it, which without proper credentials, won't happen.
 
I would kind of like to have a nuke missile in the front yard . I would stop paying property tax and I could decorate it for the holidays.

Country Bob and the Blood farmers has a song called "I have a missile in my silo" off the Going to Hell in a Handbasket album that is pretty funny. No one seems to have put it on the Internet. :(

Funny because he's singing about a grain silo and WWIII.

-t
 
It's Nu clear...

For some unknown reason, this thread reminds me of
"planting aluminum cucumbers" (Aluminieviye ogurtsi)
by Kino, 1985, album "45".
 
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