Yellowstone Supervolcano 'Turned the Asphalt Into Soup' Shutting Down Natl. Park's Roads

[pcosmar]

I'd guess that the bears are now watching from a greater distance away.

I would say that anyone claiming it will not erupt is just as dishonest as someone that says it is going to.

But it is not "safe",, and recent activity is concerning.

but shush,, and keep those tourist $$$ flowing.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Daily KOS from April: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...her-Ranteriffic-Musings-Of-a-Geologic-Nature#

There seems to be some kind of cycle. Ever since it became widely known that Yellowstone was actually a giant big-ass freaking volcano, there’s been this cycle that goes as follows:

1. Minor uplift and or earthquake
2. Someone on the internet notices
3. Hysteria, conspiracy, and ridiculousness
4. Scientists facepalm, rend their hair, wreck their edges, and sob. YES. YOU ARE MAKING THEM CRY, AMERICA.

It seems to run on a yearly cycle. And that cycle is upon us. Sigh.

Last week, on the 30th, there was a minor earthquake. There are minor earthquakes every day, dozens of them, everywhere. This one happened to have the misfortune of nucleating 3.5 miles underneath the surface about 4 miles northwest of the Norris Geyser Basin, in the northwest corner of Wyoming, within the park. It was mostly reverse faulting, with just a bit of strike-slip motion (which, by the way, is not indicative of rising magma about to explode forth and end human civilization). It made another mistake. It nucleated beneath an area of the caldera that is undergoing an active uplift and is very hydrothermally active. Big fucking mistake, earthquake. You’ve made everyone hysterical now. They were getting that way when a seismometer failed earlier this winter, and the ZOMG DOOM brigade thought harmonic tremor had begun under the park (IT DIDN’T. PLEASE SHUT UP, STUPID PEOPLE.)

The earthquake was the “biggest in thirty years” which is actually true. Biggest earthquake Yellowstone’s ever had was an M7.5 in 1959. Perhaps Yellowstone exploded shortly after that and all that exists now exists in someone’s white-light hallucination just before they die of starvation from volcanic winter.

No, that didn’t bloody freaking happen.

The internet is currently on Defcon Hysterica and it’s really kind of sad to see this all the time. Other countries that host gigantic sleeping calderas don’t have these levels of idiotic hysteria. Three MILLION Italians LIVE in a gigantic caldera named Campi Flegrei that is FAR more active than Yellowstone, and volcanologists are actually FREAKING WORRIED about that one given its potential. It has actually erupted WITHIN THE RECENT PAST. Tens of millions of Europeans live within range of the Laacher See, a gigantic caldera in Germany. Ordinary Italians and Germans are not hysterical about their big-ass calderas (although perhaps Italians probably should be and very likely are updating their disaster plans just in case). Why are Americans so gotdamb fucking stupid?

Okay, I’m getting mad, so let’s dial it back.

More at link.

In short, the following:

1. No, the animals are not fleeing the park (and youtube as a source? Are you kidding me? No.)
2. The uplift in the Norris Basin is probably not significant.
3. If you’re going to insist on using overdue, Yellowstone is not, using your stupid “here’s the interval based on three data points” math.
4. Seismographs fail. Please bloody grow up.
5. The USGS is not covering anything up and in fact would warn the public—they did in California when Long Valley decided it wanted to inhale, exhale, and fart in the early 80s (it’s still farting too.)
6. Believe the volcanologists because they know what the entire fuck they’re talking about, that’s a degree that takes ten bloody years to get.
7. There’s no such thing as overdue in this context.
8. If you people insist on freaking out, buy your doom supplies at Costco. If you shop at Costco, they make money. When they make money, their stock goes up. When their stock goes up, my IRA has a tantric orgasm. My statements arrive wet and musky from that afterglow.
9. LISTEN TO THE VOLCANOLOGISTS I MEAN DAMN.

And that’s it. Quit being stupid, internet.

 

[pcosmar]

9. LISTEN TO THE VOLCANOLOGISTS I MEAN DAMN.

Have been. I've been reading much since I first heard of it.

a great many say it is due,, and signs are such that it could blow at any time.
No One Knows..

It was one month from first reports of activity till Mt St. Helens blew.

Could be 10 years, Could be a hundred.. could be next week.
There is no telling and the "experts" are just as clueless.

I am not predicting it. I just get annoyed with the polyannaish reports.
The place is not safe,, it is not stable.. and all the "studied Experts" say that it can and will blow again.
They just don't know when.

 

[donnay]

Flashback:



ALERT NEWS: Janet Napolitano warns natural disasters which the nation has never seen on its way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOvxxtQo930

 

[Zippyjuan]

The article: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...s-cyber-attackunprecedented-natural-disaster/

Whoh! She said we have had disasters in the past and will likely have a disaster in the future? Is she planning one? Or do they just happen all the time anyways? Each disaster is different from the last which makes them all "like nothing we have seen before".

So prepare, and bring “a large bottle of Advil,” Janet Napolitano told her yet-to-be-named replacement in a farewell address Tuesday morning.

“Many things still need tending, and my successor will most certainly have a full plate on his or her hands,” said Napolitano, who leaves her post next week after more than four years at the helm of the Department of Homeland Security.

Napolitano said she faced “many challenges” during her tenure at DHS, from the H1N1 flu pandemic in 2009 to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in 2010 and Hurricane Sandy in 2012.

DHS — backed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the U.S. Coast Guard and other federal departments and agencies — led the federal government’s response to such disasters.

During Napolitano’s tenure, her department managed 325 federally declared disasters, and issued more than 60 emergency declarations, she said at the National Press Club in Washington this morning.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I don't see it as normal,, and have no idea how often it has happened in the past..

Asphalt will soften in extreme heat,, and has elsewhere during heatwaves..

But ambient temps have been lower than normal lately,, and they had snow late in the season there.
Add to that, the increased seismic activity (Largest quake in 30 years) and rising dome.. also increased recently.
And reports that the underground Magma is 2.5 times as large as they had previously thought..

The whole "nothing to see here" reporting is a bit suspicious.. It does bear watching.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Nothing to see here? I seem to recall a popular History Channel story on events that could end the world, and this one was high on the list (global warming was, of course, at the top). It was with Neil Degrasse Tyson, a very popular scientist and TV show host. It may have been a while ago, but I definitely think this is a scare factor. Just because it's not getting a lot of attention right now, doesn't mean TPTB are trying to hide it.

Also, the underground magma hasn't been growing. They are simply able to see it better now because of technological advancements. Who knows what this really means? In any case, I don't think anybody's trying to cover up the Yellowstone supervolcano. It was in the movie 2012, fer chrissakes.

 

[youngbuck]

One thing I've wondered is if there is some way that a foreign enemy could trigger a supervolvanic eruption. For example, Russia or China, during WWIII, intentionally hits critical trigger points (if such a thing even exists) with some bunker buster nukes. Or, perhaps there is some other type of crazy technology that could be used to trigger its eruption...? Just wondering.

 

[pcosmar]

Also, the underground magma hasn't been growing. They are simply able to see it better now because of technological advancements.

I never said it was growing..
I said it was bigger than they thought it was..

But they say the ground (dome) has been rising faster than it had been,, which means that the pressure under it is pushing it up more than in the past.

I said that it bears watching,, and obfuscation is in itself suspicious.

 

[Dr.3D]

I never said it was growing..
I said it was bigger than they thought it was..

But they say the ground (dome) has been rising faster than it had been,, which means that the pressure under it is pushing it up more than in the past.

I said that it bears watching,, and obfuscation is in itself suspicious.

I believe you are correct.

As I recall, if it's anything like Mount St. Helens, it's not the amount of magma buildup but rather the amount of steam pressure that would indicate an impending eruption. At Mount St. Hellens, didn't it build up for some time and they were measuring the dome as it grew larger?

 

[libertyjam]

I believe you are correct.

As I recall, if it's anything like Mount St. Helens, it's not the amount of magma buildup but rather the amount of steam pressure that would indicate an impending eruption. At Mount St. Hellens, didn't it build up for some time and they were measuring the dome as it grew larger?

Yes, one poor soul was still measuring it when it blew up on him.

 

[phill4paul]

Yes, one poor soul was still measuring it when it blew up on him.

Damn, talk about a bad day on the job. Nice easy government job then BOOooom. What a pisser.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Yes, one poor soul was still measuring it when it blew up on him.

And one stubborn old man who wouldn't evacuate even though he was warned and could have. I assume he was vaporized. POOF!

 

[Fox McCloud]

It'll blow, eventually, but it's really not worth worrying about...it's unlikely to happen in our lifetimes or even our childrens' childrens' childrens' lifetime.

That said, it doesn't really matter; if it blows and you're not in the ashbed area, great, you'll probably live, but the other impacts (weather) it will have may indirectly kill you, eventually.

Generally speaking, the yellowstone caldera blowing is considered a extinction-level event.

 

[Ronin Truth]

It'll blow, eventually, but it's really not worth worrying about...it's unlikely to happen in our lifetimes or even our childrens' childrens' childrens' lifetime.

That said, it doesn't really matter; if it blows and you're not in the ashbed area, great, you'll probably live, but the other impacts (weather) it will have may indirectly kill you, eventually.

Generally speaking, the yellowstone caldera blowing is considered a extinction-level event.

I think it may depend on just how it blows. If it's another Krakatoa or a Tuva event, we're most probably toast. If it's just another Kilauea it'll become another Yellowstone Park tourist attraction.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I never said it was growing..
I said it was bigger than they thought it was..

But they say the ground (dome) has been rising faster than it had been,, which means that the pressure under it is pushing it up more than in the past.

I said that it bears watching,, and obfuscation is in itself suspicious.

What obfuscation? This is anything but a secret.

 

[Henry Rogue]

Firehole Lake Drive

Appropriate name for that road.

 

[Henry Rogue]

Any time
As in, any time is as good as any other time..
They said the same for Mt. St Helen.. though some were warning of impending eruption.

If they knew it was going to blow they would say nothing about it. If a warning went out it would be disparaged.
1. they do not want to lose revenue.
2. they do not want a panic.
3. they do not want people prepared.

To me,, it is just another of many variables,, but I have no interest in being in the vicinity.

Governments wants to make sure its own is taken care before it worries about the masses. Can't have any panics till they're safe and secure. Every disaster movie I have ever seen played out that way, got to condition the people to accept that. I'm not saying anything is going down anytime soon or that they would have a clue if it does, but if they did know, I'm sure the mundane will be the last to know.