'Yeah, I shot the dog. What the f--- you gonna do about it?'

[chudrockz]

You are a very sick person. How someone can even look at a dog that way is beyond me. Human beings are more valuable than any animal. I can't tell you how much I despise this breed of dog-lovers that would sacrifice humans to get a lick on the face and stare into the eyes of something that knows only loyalty, not true love and affection. Anybody who would betray their own kind for a dog is a sick freak.

If you were on trial for beating a human to death for hitting a dog, I would vote guilty and suggest the death penalty. If you would really sacrifice your own life for a dog, then please find an opportunity to do so.

I agree fully with FSU63.

And NO ONE has every suggested (nor have I ever had a thought) of "betraying my own kind for a dog." That's just silly. What's outrageous, as was said, is humans abusing or killing a defenseless animal for no reason at all (or for a "game" or some such sickass thing).

Feel however you like about human beings "vs." other creatures. But I'm telling you, any person who is capable of (for instance) strapping fireworks to a pit bull and lighting it on fire (this happened recently) is a SICK FUCK who should be put out of their misery asap.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

You can think that if you want. But humans are naturally corrupt, bad people. Dogs are loyal, benevolent creatures.

With that being said, I'd do my best to save BOTH. But, yes, I would give my life for my dog. I love him more than anything in the world.

Oh my God. It doesn't matter how corrupt humans are. They are intrinsically more valuable than any animal because they have self-awareness. We are special. Even if you don't believe that as a philosophical basis, then it should at least be obvious by the way the world is arranged.

Dogs don't love. Their loyalty is just that. The only reason we place so much value in dogs is because we see loyalty as a good thing for the benefit of humans. Dogs are NEVER more valuable than any human life, though. Humans are capable of more emotion, of empathy. Every human should have the opportunity to express that regardless of how they measure up to dogs because they simply mean more to society. A dog can't write poetry or build skyscrapers. They will never, EVER show a millionth of the promise that any human is capable of, no matter who they are.

This dog-worship attitude sickens me. I don't know if it's just an exaggerated need to express fancy for their dog or if people really do feel this way, but it troubles me because it is one of the most logically absurd things I've ever come across. It doesn't matter what you think of human life in general because humans are worth more than dogs no matter how you look at it. If you judge them by utuility, humans win; morality, humans win; ethics, humans win; personal enrichment, humans win. No dog can replace even the most worthless human life.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Animals are always innocents. They don't understand the situation; they can't defend themselves; and they certainly can't reason with pigs. So, they're remarkably similar to children in this regard.

Adult victims are harder to sympathize with for two reasons: firstly, they're adults! Secondly, there's a good chance they've had a hand in building and supporting the police state. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Even the most die-hard statist is worth more than a dog.

 

[Dr.3D]

Oh my God. It doesn't matter how corrupt humans are. They are intrinsically more valuable than any animal because they have self-awareness. We are special. Even if you don't believe that as a philosophical basis, then it should at least be obvious by the way the world is arranged.

Dogs don't love. Their loyalty is just that. The only reason we place so much value in dogs is because we see loyalty as a good thing for the benefit of humans. Dogs are NEVER more valuable than any human life, though. Humans are capable of more emotion, of empathy. Every human should have the opportunity to express that regardless of how they measure up to dogs because they simply mean more to society. A dog can't write poetry or build skyscrapers. They will never, EVER show a millionth of the promise that any human is capable of, no matter who they are.

This dog-worship attitude sickens me. I don't know if it's just an exaggerated need to express fancy for their dog or if people really do feel this way, but it troubles me because it is one of the most logically absurd things I've ever come across. It doesn't matter what you think of human life in general because humans are worth more than dogs no matter how you look at it. If you judge them by utuility, humans win; morality, humans win; ethics, humans win; personal enrichment, humans win. No dog can replace even the most worthless human life.

I can see you don't know shit about dogs. They are very self aware.
You really should get to know a dog, but then again, I would feel sorry for any dog that had to spend any amount of time with you.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

How very strange. He was giving a scenario of someone beating his dog for no good reason and you appear to be condoning the person who would do such a despicable thing. Very strange indeed.

I am doing no such thing, and frankly, I don't even appear to be doing so. I'm sorry, but you apparently don't know what you're talking about and your reading comprehension is in serious question.

 

[James Madison]

Even the most die-hard statist is worth more than a dog.

So, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, et al. were worth more than a dog?

"With great power comes great responsibility."

Humans have a special place amongst our animal friends as we are their keeper. That also means we are expected to make choices for them and to watch over them in the same way a parent watches over their child.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Good luck LE....

I honestly don't get why you hate me so much. It seems to have something to do with my age and level of education. In that case, a merry "up yours!" to you, too. Leave me alone.

 

[chudrockz]

I honestly don't get why you hate me so much. It seems to have something to do with my age and level of education. In that case, a merry "up yours!" to you, too. Leave me alone.

Complete lack of empathy shown by a dog-hating human. Go figure.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

The people who would do such a thing to an animal are in fact no better than animals. If anything, it would be a noble cause to sacrifice ones life in defense of those who can not defend themselves.

Every human is worth infinitely more than any dog. Dogs are here for man, and that's it. There is absolutely no acceptable circumstance in which they should be judged by the same ruler. Morality may have shifted in the last few decades, but it doesn't change the fact that a human's life is the ultimate measure of the worth of life itself.

If you seriously think that a dog's life is worth more than your own in any circumstance, then that opens the gate to the subjective value of human life that caused the Holocaust and virtually every mass genocide.

If you really believe it, however, logic dictates that you should practice it. Animals aren't "innocent" any more than a cactus or a spider is innocent. They just aren't capable of the range of morality and emotions that humans are, but that doesn't change the fact that their place in this world is for the utility of humans. Under no circumstances should their worth ever be measured by the same standard.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Complete lack of empathy shown by a dog-hating human. Go figure.

I don't lack empathy. Dogs lack empathy. They are no more capable of being innocent than they are of being evil. They are about as innocent as a plant or a bug, but they should never surpass humans in value just because they are incapable of the range of actions and emotions that we are.

I don't hate dogs, I just don't love them. Why should I? I love them about as much as I love plants and cows for sustaining me with food. I don't love those things either because they are there for my survival, and my survival is worth infinitely more than they will ever be. The same goes for any human, no matter how worthless you think they are. They are still the standard for the value of life, and no animal can surpass that.

 

[FSU63]

the Holocaust

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Quoted for fail.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I agree fully with FSU63.

And NO ONE has every suggested (nor have I ever had a thought) of "betraying my own kind for a dog." That's just silly. What's outrageous, as was said, is humans abusing or killing a defenseless animal for no reason at all (or for a "game" or some such sickass thing).

Feel however you like about human beings "vs." other creatures. But I'm telling you, any person who is capable of (for instance) strapping fireworks to a pit bull and lighting it on fire (this happened recently) is a SICK FUCK who should be put out of their misery asap.

I disagree, and my conviction on this is only likely to harden the more you argue with it. I would agree with you that the person who does that has some deeper problems than what manifests in the form of animal torture, just like the columbine kids who used to kill cats for fun. I love cats and I still wouldn't put any human to death no matter how many cats they kill. The moral standards of this modern world have really fucked us up to the point where we can value just about anything more than a human life just because we've opened ourselves to the possibility that the two can be compared.

 

[chudrockz]

We rescued a pit bull from a shelter ten months ago. Since doing so, I genuinely believe that I have become a better person. I'm not as self-centered as I used to be, nor as introverted. I have struck up more conversations (BECAUSE of my dog) with complete strangers in the past ten months than I ever did in the forty years preceding.

My wife makes fun of me, because I like to take Snowflake with me just about everywhere I go (besides work). But everyone who sees her, and especially everyone who interacts with her, has a better day because of it. Just yesterday I saw the happiest two-year-old girl in the world, who giggled with joy at being able to pet (and be licked by) my dog.

On the flip side are those "people" who do things like kick, beat, stab, or kill dogs. Whether theirs or a stray.

While I don't think of myself as the nicest person in the universe, I *know* that I'm better than people like that.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Quoted for fail.

Way to provide context, dickwad.

 

[FSU63]

I disagree, and my conviction on this is only likely to harden the more you argue with it.

As much conviction as Hitler? I don't think so.

 

[asurfaholic]

All life is sacred

But the innocence of dogs is what makes this so outrageous.

The problem is that these are sadist fucks who go around shooting puppies, and is debatable which soul is more blessed

 

[PaulConventionWV]

So, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, et al. were worth more than a dog?

"With great power comes great responsibility."

Humans have a special place amongst our animal friends as we are their keeper. That also means we are expected to make choices for them and to watch over them in the same way a parent watches over their child.

Yes, they were all worth more than a dog. They were worth more than a million dogs. A dog has no worth in terms of human life. Human life stands alone as a completely separate standard by which nothing else can be judged, nor can humans be judged by the standards of anything else other than human life. They may have been the worst humans, but comparing them to animals just opens the door to barbarity. That's not to say I wouldn't have killed them if given the chance. After all, we have a justice system that allows us to punish people who are evil, but animals are not even introduced into the equation because justice for humans simply doesn't involve them in the least.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I can see you don't know shit about dogs. They are very self aware.
You really should get to know a dog, but then again, I would feel sorry for any dog that had to spend any amount of time with you.

And you do know how dogs think? I got news: no amount of staring into the eyes of a dog lets you know how its mind works. That's why animals can't communicate with us. We are all special, and we cannot be compared to any non-human.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

So, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, et al. were worth more than a dog?

"With great power comes great responsibility."

Humans have a special place amongst our animal friends as we are their keeper. That also means we are expected to make choices for them and to watch over them in the same way a parent watches over their child.

You were right until you said, "In the same way a parent watches over their child." I think most people would disagree with that. It is not the same.

 

[Dr.3D]

And you do know how dogs think? I got news: no amount of staring into the eyes of a dog lets you know how its mind works. That's why animals can't communicate with us. We are all special, and we cannot be compared to any non-human.

I know what my dog thinks. We communicate quite well together. He tells me when he is hungry and when he needs to go out. He tells me when he is cold and wants to get under a blanket. He tells me when he feels like playing.

Again, I'm saying you don't know anything about animals.

You just haven't taken the time to get to know one.