Y'all actually aren't voting hard enough.

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In 1984 of all years after a single election:

Between 1984 and 1993, New Zealand underwent radical economic reform, moving from what had probably been the most protected, regulated and state-dominated system of any capitalist democracy to an extreme position at the open, competitive, free-market end of the spectrum.

A single administration achieved the following:

Left the Defense Treaty with the United States (like leaving NATO)

Floating the New Zealand dollar.
Removing farming subsidies. << In a completely agricultural economy!!
New banks were allowed.
Reducing income and company tax.
Removing controls on foreign exchange.
Abolishing or reducing import tariffs.
Corporatising many State owned enterprises such as the Post Office, Telecom and Air New Zealand to be more like private businesses. Some of these were later privatised.
Enabling the Reserve Bank to autonomously pursue an inflation target.
Improving the reporting and accountability for government expenditure

New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 — enumerated civil and political rights

Legalised sex between males over the age of 16 (Homosexual Law Reform).
Passed the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989, introducing Family Group Conferences.
The death penalty was fully abolished.
Rape within marriage was criminalised.

The Rent Limitation Regulations were abolished in order to encourage new investment in the private rental sector (1985)


There was an absolute tonne of other reform that took place.

Before the late 1980s, consumers in New Zealand were restricted in their choices. Importing consumer goods into New Zealand generally required a licence from the government, and a wide range of goods had quotas that restricted how much could be imported in any one year.

A key objective of the reforms was to open up the domestic economy to the global economy. The government began phasing out import licences in 1984. This process was completed by 1992.

This left tariffs as the principal form of border protection (a tariff is a tax imposed on imported goods as they enter the country). The government began reducing tariffs. The average tariff rate in 1981 was 28%. By 1999 it was close to 5%, and 95% of imports (by value) were tariff-free. Tariffs were frozen for 6 years, then there was a further programme of reductions between 2006 and 2009.

Shopping hours

Over the 20th century governments reduced shop opening hours, requiring shops to close at 9 p.m. during the week, and to remain closed on weekends. Hours were liberalised in 1980 to allow Saturday (but not Sunday) trading.

In 1990 the government repealed the Shop Trading Hours Act 1977, removing previous restrictions on trading hours, apart from those requiring shops to be closed on Good Friday, Easter Sunday, Christmas Day and before 1 p.m. on Anzac Day. This opened the door to Sunday and late-night trading. To provide some protection to employees, it remained illegal to pressure a worker to work on Sundays, or at night between 9 p.m. and 7 a.m.


Dozens of countries have had massive and complete reform going from authoritarian to much more liberated all through democratic processes.



See the thing is though, you all have to want the same thing and vote the same way. Taking your ball and going home because of slight philosophical differences won't get it done.

Ron Paul was a unifying figure more than anything else, yet people still wanted him to run third party or refused to support him over minor quibbles.

There aren't currently any figures like him and there aren't any on the horizon. Turning the United States around will require a ground swell of support.

It is a massively more entrenched system in the United States. Procedural tricks won't get you there.

Voting harder will work, but it will have to be maybe 20 or 30 times harder. For a decade. With a plan and without ego.
 
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I'm so tired of your constant gloating over how "superior New-Zealand is". It's just so typical of any of the common-wealth states that lacked the balls to fight for their own independence from the British. All they ever talk about is "we are better than the United States because of A B C D...". Where were the balls of any other former colony when in actually mattered like in 1776?
 
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In 1984 of all years after a single election:



A single administration achieved the following:

Left the Defense Treaty with the United States (like leaving NATO)

Floating the New Zealand dollar.
Removing farming subsidies. << In a completely agricultural economy!!
New banks were allowed.
Reducing income and company tax.
Removing controls on foreign exchange.
Abolishing or reducing import tariffs.
Corporatising many State owned enterprises such as the Post Office, Telecom and Air New Zealand to be more like private businesses. Some of these were later privatised.
Enabling the Reserve Bank to autonomously pursue an inflation target.
Improving the reporting and accountability for government expenditure

New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 — enumerated civil and political rights

Legalised sex between males over the age of 16 (Homosexual Law Reform).
Passed the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989, introducing Family Group Conferences.
The death penalty was fully abolished.
Rape within marriage was criminalised.

The Rent Limitation Regulations were abolished in order to encourage new investment in the private rental sector (1985)


There was an absolute tonne of other reform that took place.




Dozens of countries have had massive and complete reform going from authoritarian to much more liberated all through democratic processes.



See the thing is though, you all have to want the same thing and vote the same way. Taking your ball and going home because of slight philosophical differences won't get it done.

Ron Paul was a unifying figure more than anything else, yet people still wanted him to run third party or refused to support him over minor quibbles.

There aren't currently any figures like him and there aren't any on the horizon. Turning the United States around will require a ground swell of support.

It is a massively more entrenched system in the United States. Procedural tricks won't get you there.

Voting harder will work, but it will have to be maybe 20 or 30 times harder. For a decade. With a plan and without ego.

Lol, you're actually serious. "Voting harder will work." SMH
 
I'm so tired of your constant gloating over how "superior New-Zealand is". It's just so typical of any of the common-wealth states that lacked the balls to fight for their own independence from the British. All they ever talk about is "we are better than the United States because of A B C D...". Where were the balls of any other former colony when in actually mattered like in 1776?

Its not gloating, its trying to give you hope that you can't vote your way to freedom instead of having to shoot people.

Portugal decriminalized drugs democratically, Iceland told the Banks to fuck off, democratically. Democracy is not the problem.

The American system is unresponsive and slow moving, but it can get there.

If the United States had remained a colony it would have abolished slavery 30 years earlier without a war.
 
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Lol, you're actually serious. "Voting harder will work." SMH

Probably not voting harder for the LP, although actually, my estimate of about 30x harder would be a presidential win for the LP.

In reality that might be a hell of a lot harder to achieve given the LP's hatred of all things sensible.

Empirically it works in other countries. Why doesn't it work in the US? The answer is not "Democracy is bad". The US barely has any democracy.
 
Probably not voting harder for the LP, although actually, my estimate of about 30x harder would be a presidential win for the LP.

In reality that might be a hell of a lot harder to achieve given the LP's hatred of all things sensible.

Empirically it works in other countries. Why doesn't it work in the US? The answer is not "Democracy is bad". The US barely has any democracy.
The LP has been LINO for a long time.
 
The LP has been LINO for a long time.

I might note, that in New Zealand the LibertariaNZ party (~1000 votes) never even got a tenth of the votes of the Legalise Cannabis Party (~10,000 votes), or any other minor party, mostly due to them all being incorrigible fuckwits.

What is it about Liberty (big L) that makes it impossible to work with other people?

Note that the two smallest parties with representatives elected, only gained ~20,000 votes between them.
 
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I might note, that in New Zealand the LibertariaNZ party (~1000 votes) never even got a tenth of the votes of the Legalise Cannabis Party (~10,000 votes), or any other minor party, mostly due to them all being incorrigible fuckwits.

What is it about Liberty (big L) that makes it impossible to work with other people?

Note that the two smallest parties with representatives elected, only gained ~20,000 votes between them.
When I was involved in it almost a decade ago, the problem seemed to be sharp factional differences between conservative-ish converts to the LP and the more radical folks. Basically too many pissing matches to try for outreach.
 
Anarchists are a poison pill to libertarian movements. For every anarchist in the mix, 100 less-radical individuals are turned off by their involvement.

If you don't want any governments, then stop getting involved in political processes that exist solely for the purpose of influencing the composition of governments. Not that hard.
 
Its not gloating, its trying to give you hope that you can't vote your way to freedom instead of having to shoot people.

Portugal decriminalized drugs democratically, Iceland told the Banks to fuck off, democratically. Democracy is not the problem.

The American system is unresponsive and slow moving, but it can get there.

If the United States had remained a colony it would have abolished slavery 30 years earlier without a war.

There are more people in my city than in Iceland. There are more people in my state than in New Zealand. There are more people in New York City than in Portugal.

It's a big place. If the US had remained a colony, we would be under the socialistic system they have in Great Britan, with single payer healthcare that is seriously slow and unresponsive, and we would be imploding from the expense of it, just like they are.
 
There are more people in my city than in Iceland. There are more people in my state than in New Zealand. There are more people in New York City than in Portugal.

It's a big place. If the US had remained a colony, we would be under the socialistic system they have in Great Britan, with single payer healthcare that is seriously slow and unresponsive, and we would be imploding from the expense of it, just like they are.

Healthcare costs per capita:

Britain : US$3235
New Zealand: $3328
USA: US$8713

The US spends 20% of its GDP on healthcare. 3 Times the British NHS which is not single payer its government owned, or the the private/public system NZ has which is plenty responsive. The country that is getting killed by healthcare is the United States, which doesn't even provide it to a good chunk of its citizens.

The effective cost of healthcare is actually five times what it would be in a free market. That is how big the monopoly distortions
are in the US.

It is a big place, so perhaps try starting slightly smaller than The Presidency. Change a city, change a state. Prove the theory works.

There are more people, yes, but its not the problem.
 
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I don't understand why everyone is on Idioms ass. If I had the means to just pack up and leave New Zealand would be at the top of my list. Everyone that I know that has been there spoke approvingly of it, the people, the beauty. I dunno. I dunno, "It ain't AmeriKa!" but it's not the worst place in the world.
 
I don't understand why everyone is on Idioms ass. If I had the means to just pack up and leave New Zealand would be at the top of my list. Everyone that I know that has been there spoke approvingly of it, the people, the beauty. I dunno. I dunno, "It ain't AmeriKa!" but it's not the worst place in the world.

That's not even my point. It is a touchstone of An-cap belief that democracy only runs one way, towards authoritarianism. Empirically it is wrong.

Yes Lenin and Marx all said Democracy would lead to communism. Turns out they were wrong about a great many things.
 
Healthcare costs per capita:

Britain : US$3235
New Zealand: $3328
USA: US$8713

The US spends 20% of its GDP on healthcare. 3 Times the British NHS which is not single payer its government owned, or the the private/public system NZ has which is plenty responsive. The country that is getting killed by healthcare is the United States, which doesn't even provide it to a good chunk of its citizens.

With my private, low-budget insurance, I can get a mammogram, an ultrasound, a CT, or almost any other test tomorrow. Tell me that happens in Great Britain or New Zealand. A friend in Canada waited over three months for a blood test for thyroid, and then she waited another six weeks for the result.

And just so you know, a lot of people choose not to have insurance. The local paper did an article about a couple that worked for their local government. They didn't want to pay the $60 a month it would cost for insurance, so they thought the taxpayers should pick up the tab. A lot of people make the choice. I can't blame a young, healthy person for not wanting to pay for comprehensive insurance when a catastrophic policy is all they need. There are health departments in every county in our state where routine work is free, and walk-in clinics that will take cash.

I would prefer the government got totally out of the medical insurance business. That also means removing regulations. People should be able to buy only what they need.
 
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