Wyoming is 1st state to reject science standards (no global warming hoax)

[PRB]

You should probably look through the site if that's your assumption. They base everything off of extensively researched, peer reviewed science papers. Whether you choose to ignore scientific consensus or not is your choice, though. The research is there and cited, then explained. There is also a section for comments where people can ask questions, which is also helpful if you want to read through it.

why should I read a site I already decided (I mean, KNOW) is full of lies? I already know their "research" is funded by evil NWO statists who just want to tax us, who cares if some claim they don't want to tax us, they still do! there is no scientific consensus, and even if there is, that's still not truth, if you ask me what is truth, I won't tell you because I don't know, but I still know global warming is a hoax, because if it wasn't, I'd jump right in and advocate for carbon taxes just like the stupid liberals do.

this is where the crux of the problem is, people CAN'T think of actual solutions to the problem, or even willing to prepare for it, so they can only deny it every step of the way, they KNOW in their minds that if they can't think of a better alternative to carbon taxing, that'll be the only choice left IF, God forbid, it was ever proven to their satisfaction that global warming is real.

to the contrary, people who are curious enough, like say, you and me, actually read through, ask questions, demand the same standard of evidence, to both sides (or all sides)

 

[Origanalist]

why should I read a site I already decided (I mean, KNOW) is full of lies? I already know their "research" is funded by evil NWO statists who just want to tax us, who cares if some claim they don't want to tax us, they still do! there is no scientific consensus, and even if there is, that's still not truth, if you ask me what is truth, I won't tell you because I don't know, but I still know global warming is a hoax, because if it wasn't, I'd jump right in and advocate for carbon taxes just like the stupid liberals do.

this is where the crux of the problem is, people CAN'T think of actual solutions to the problem, or even willing to prepare for it, so they can only deny it every step of the way, they KNOW in their minds that if they can't think of a better alternative to carbon taxing, that'll be the only choice left IF, God forbid, it was ever proven to their satisfaction that global warming is real.

to the contrary, people who are curious enough, like say, you and me, actually read through, ask questions, demand the same standard of evidence, to both sides (or all sides)

Why should I read that site indeed? This bs has been spouted for decades upon decades now. Feel free to get caught up in the hysteria, I'll pass thank you.

 

[KCIndy]

There's something else to consider regarding AGW, and I've rarely heard it addressed.

Let's say - just for the sake of argument - that global warming exists and IS being caused by human activity. Even if the United States suddenly went to zero carbon emission tomorrow, it will not change the fact that China is already (arguably) emitting more carbon than the U.S. and other developing nations (India, Brazil, other parts of Asia) are overtaking us and overtaking us FAST.

Spending trillions of dollars in an attempt to cut carbon emissions in the U.S. strikes me as an extremely expensive exercise in futility.

 

[Antischism]

why should I read a site I already decided (I mean, KNOW) is full of lies? I already know their "research" is funded by evil NWO statists who just want to tax us, who cares if some claim they don't want to tax us, they still do! there is no scientific consensus, and even if there is, that's still not truth, if you ask me what is truth, I won't tell you because I don't know, but I still know global warming is a hoax, because if it wasn't, I'd jump right in and advocate for carbon taxes just like the stupid liberals do.

this is where the crux of the problem is, people CAN'T think of actual solutions to the problem, or even willing to prepare for it, so they can only deny it every step of the way, they KNOW in their minds that if they can't think of a better alternative to carbon taxing, that'll be the only choice left IF, God forbid, it was ever proven to their satisfaction that global warming is real.

to the contrary, people who are curious enough, like say, you and me, actually read through, ask questions, demand the same standard of evidence, to both sides (or all sides)

I think part of the problem is people either don't like the idea of change thus they refuse to believe the countless scientific papers presented and peer reviewed, or they don't like the ideas proposed to make changes that will improve our environment. Some don't understand that you can both accept anthropogenic climate change is real and still disagree with the solutions presented. There are plenty of libertarians for example who don't deny anthropogenic climate change, but have ideas of how to make positive changes through the free market. The ideas vary, but there's nothing wrong with devising new strategies. I understand that there are people who want to use climate change as an excuse to pass laws that hardly deal with the issue as a way to expand government control, but that shouldn't be a reason to deny overwhelming scientific consensus—that just means there are people in government looking to take advantage of any possible situation, as we've seen from both sides.

 

[PRB]

I think part of the problem is people either don't like the idea of change thus they refuse to believe the countless scientific papers presented and peer reviewed, or they don't like the ideas proposed to make changes that will improve our environment.

You lose even me the moment you say environment. Environment implies to conservatives and libertarians : trees, animals, air, water, trash, taxes, government.

Say something that actually matters, and in this case, it really is what it's about : stability of our fragile modern lifestyle.

Like I said earlier, Sandy and Katrina didn't destroy whole cities, it didn't even kill that many people, but it's enough to make people's lives miserable for 5-10 years (as compared to the comfortable modern life they had prior to the hurricanes). People complain about 5-10% taxes, 5-10 years of inconvenience is far greater than 5-10% of your income lost (especially when you take into account what years of your life you're losing).

People who reduce the concern of climate instability blatantly ignore that you don't need to die to make your life hard enough that you'd avoid something. So the idea that climate change will wipe out civilization as we know it, is both unnecessary and useless. How would they like it if we dismissed their concerns about government increase with "Hey, look at the past! Look at a graph! The people in the past had it way worse than you!!!! your concerns are nothing compared to what the graph says!"

Some don't understand that you can both accept anthropogenic climate change is real and still disagree with the solutions presented.

Exactly.

There are plenty of libertarians for example who don't deny anthropogenic climate change, but have ideas of how to make positive changes through the free market.

Or if nothing else, prepare for it. Which you can't do if you're denying that it's happening.

The ideas vary, but there's nothing wrong with devising new strategies. I understand that there are people who want to use climate change as an excuse to pass laws that hardly deal with the issue as a way to expand government control, but that shouldn't be a reason to deny overwhelming scientific consensus—that just means there are people in government looking to take advantage of any possible situation, as we've seen from both sides.

I sure wish people understood this distinction.

 

[PRB]

There's something else to consider regarding AGW, and I've rarely heard it addressed.

Let's say - just for the sake of argument - that global warming exists and IS being caused by human activity. Even if the United States suddenly went to zero carbon emission tomorrow, it will not change the fact that China is already (arguably) emitting more carbon than the U.S. and other developing nations (India, Brazil, other parts of Asia) are overtaking us and overtaking us FAST.

Spending trillions of dollars in an attempt to cut carbon emissions in the U.S. strikes me as an extremely expensive exercise in futility.

Agreed. Which is a great argument to oppose carbon emissions regulations, but no reason to deny that it's happening and preparing for it, or better yet, capitalizing on it.

 

[PRB]

Why should I read that site indeed? This bs has been spouted for decades upon decades now. Feel free to get caught up in the hysteria, I'll pass thank you.

And you know it's BS because you're a scientist.

 

[Dr.3D]

A scientist learns about the world around him through observation. Anybody who isn't a scientist must be in a vegetative state.

 

[Origanalist]

And you know it's BS because you're a scientist.

Do you really want me to compile a list of predictions about climate made by "scientists"?

Like I said earlier, Sandy and Katrina didn't destroy whole cities, it didn't even kill that many people, but it's enough to make people's lives miserable for 5-10 years (as compared to the comfortable modern life they had prior to the hurricanes).

Are you implying that hurricanes are somehow caused by mans activities?

 

[PRB]

Do you really want me to compile a list of predictions about climate made by "scientists"?

Only if they're peer reviewed and preferably recent. So posting magazine covers about predicted cooling won't count.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/What-1970s-science-said-about-global-cooling.html

And if you try to conclude that they're either all wrong or mostly wrong, I'll ask you what you predict, or who do you trust to predict. Unless you believe that all bets are off and all guesses are equally likely (why not?)

Are you implying that hurricanes are somehow caused by mans activities?

Nope, just that any climate instability that can be caused or worsened by human activity need not be much worse than hurricanes we see today for it disrupt the life we're accustomed to.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

But does that mean it was nothing and nothing worth preparing for?

Then prepare yourself and stop demanding that everyone else be responsible for your fabulous lifestyle. I'm not responsible for some dipshit who insists on living somewhere because he thinks his city is so glorious or he likes his waterfront view.

 

[Origanalist]

I'll ask you what you predict, or who do you trust to predict.

I predict climate will change, just like it always has. And I think all this clamoring about it is a total waste of time and an attempt to spread fear to gain power. Up to twenty thousand years ago most of Canada and North america was covered with ice.

 

[PRB]

I predict climate will change, just like it always has.

Be a bit more specific if you dare.

And I think all this clamoring about it is a total waste of time and an attempt to spread fear to gain power.

What's to fear if you know what's coming?

Up to twenty thousand years ago most of Canada and North america was covered with ice.

And who was alive then claiming life was just dandy?

 

[PRB]

Then prepare yourself and stop demanding that everyone else be responsible for your fabulous lifestyle. I'm not responsible for some dipshit who insists on living somewhere because he thinks his city is so glorious or he likes his waterfront view.

then why would you complain when they have the highest property taxes and cost of living? or greatest government inteference, since you obviously don't live there.

 

[Origanalist]

Be a bit more specific if you dare.



What's to fear if you know what's coming?



And who was alive then claiming life was just dandy?

If I dare? Ewww, scary....ok, it's getting warmer. Throughout the solar system.

I'm not afraid. I'm not prone to hysteria.

I don't know, wooly mamoths?

 

[PRB]

If I dare? Ewww, scary....ok, it's getting warmer. Throughout the solar system.

I'm not afraid. I'm not prone to hysteria.

I don't know, wooly mamoths?

See? Maybe THIS is why you should read the site, so you don't repeat ignorant and wrong facts.

The claim that other planets are warming throughout the solar system is just not true. (Unless you have better data to refute this)
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Venus-runaway-greenhouse-effect.htm
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-jupiter.htm
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-neptune.htm
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pluto-global-warming.htm

And it's not the sun..thanks.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

There's nothing to be afraid of if you're willing to be corrected.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Comparing it to the past from anything over 100 years is pointless, since we didn't have the fragile lifestyle back then.

What's a fragile lifestyle?

Hurricane Sandy and Katrina didn't destroy civilization,...

You're always so concerned about such people. How much did you donate to them?

then why would you complain when they have the highest property taxes and cost of living? or greatest government inteference, since you obviously don't live there.

Since when does every house near a river have high property taxes? Since when do people in the midwest and the south have the highest cost of living?

I live in the United States. Why would you complain when I tell you the federal government and people don't owe you the living you demand?

 

[PRB]

What's a fragile lifestyle?




You're always so concerned about such people. How much did you donate to them?





Since when does every house near a river have high property taxes? Since when do people in the midwest and the south have the highest cost of living?

I live in the United States. Why would you complain when I tell you the federal government and people don't owe you the living you demand?

Where did i say anybody owes me anything or that i care about hurricane victims?

 

[PRB]

What's a fragile lifestyle?

For starters, hysterical hate of government

 

[Bossobass]

Only if they're peer reviewed and preferably recent. So posting magazine covers about predicted cooling won't count.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/What-1970s-science-said-about-global-cooling.html

And if you try to conclude that they're either all wrong or mostly wrong, I'll ask you what you predict, or who do you trust to predict. Unless you believe that all bets are off and all guesses are equally likely (why not?)

Nope, just that any climate instability that can be caused or worsened by human activity need not be much worse than hurricanes we see today for it disrupt the life we're accustomed to.

Ya know, I would have thought that Alan Greenspan was the biggest bullshitter of all time. Thank god he had the consensus of all of the world's leading economists, financial sector CEOs, Treasury Secretary, presidential advisers, etc...

And, if they hadn't stopped me from using hair spray in the 70s, that hole in the ozone would have taken me out with 3 billion other souls with incurable cancer and I'd never have lived long enough to swallow Greenspan's (peer reviewed) bullshit.

I'm also thrilled that I survived the late 70s onset of the new Ice Age as well. It got pretty cold there for a few years... I guess that's an Ice Age 'cause we know for sure that the majority of scientists couldn't have been mistaken in that prediction.

And, of course, a decade before the ozone hole, I'm glad they drilled me to "duck and cover" when the Reds nuked my elementary school. Thank god for Ronny who 20 years later showed us all how the Reds were ahead of the US militarily by 20 to 1 so's we could whip out the US credit card and spend 2 trillion right quick to even the playing field.

After all that, and before global climate warming changing choking freezing ass-fucking gets me, those bloody terrorists will cyber-attack me with a dirty bomb after they crash a jet into my bedroom... a jet with killer bees in the engines that swarm all over me and sting me after the jet crashes.

I'm sure antibiotic resistant Ebola, e coli, MERS, SARS, H1N1, HPV-18-L1 and the rest of the biblical plague cast of thousands will get to the terrorists first because God loves me.

Climate change...? Please, wake the fuck up, will ya?