Wouldn't Privatized Prisons Work Better Than State/Government Prisons?

[tangent4ronpaul]

They can extend sentences if a prisoner "misbehaves" - and they make sure they DO!

 

[TheNcredibleEgg]

False. The prison doesn't set sentences in the scenario we're discussing. They have no ability to extend sentences. The sentencing is done by the DRO.

Wouldn't the prison be making hefty campaign donations tho every year to the politicians (and some judges) who do set sentences?

Also - what the heck does DRO mean?

 

[nayjevin]

Probably prisons don't serve as good means of restitution, and wouldn't be used.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Wouldn't the prison be making hefty campaign donations tho every year to the politicians (and some judges) who do set sentences?

Also - what the heck does DRO mean?

the ration is like 1:10,000 as to profit ration...

 

[TheNcredibleEgg]

the ration is like 1:10,000 as to profit ration...

Ok - but tell me what DRO means also.

Pls. It's going to drive me crazy.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Wouldn't the prison be making hefty campaign donations tho every year to the politicians (and some judges) who do set sentences?

Also - what the heck does DRO mean?

DRO means Dispute Resolution Organization (a term coined by Molyneux that is applied generally to free market private defense companies)

Since the owners of DROs/private courts are not elected, they would not be subject to the corruption you describe. They would be accountable to subscribers and investors. A DRO that behaves unjustly will lose money-unlike a government court which has no real incentive to be just.

 

[TheNcredibleEgg]

DRO means Dispute Resolution Organization (a term coined by Molyneux that is applied generally to free market private defense companies)

Since the owners of DROs/private courts are not elected, they would not be subject to the corruption you describe. They would be accountable to subscribers and investors. A DRO that behaves unjustly will lose money-unlike a government court which has no real incentive to be just.

Thanks (sane again.)

I've never heard of that acronym and couldn't even find it on Google.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Wouldn't they do their best to do what it took to make sure their re-offender rate was the lowest possible?

This assumes the state actually wants a low re-offender rate.

Edit: The lowest repeat offender rate would get the contract.

A private prison would not follow the 8th amendment.

 

[cornbread]

when you stick a 1000 men in a compound,with nothing but time and and being treated like shit,looked down on,like your nothing,something you carry with you the rest of your life,and they do profit,the government does nothing that theres not profit,so what does that say about us as people.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

when you stick a 1000 men in a compound,with nothing but time and and being treated like shit,looked down on,like your nothing,something you carry with you the rest of your life,and they do profit,the government does nothing that theres not profit,so what does that say about us as people.

The gvmt looks at us as cattle?

-t

 

[LibForestPaul]

So the state has a monopoly on enforcement. The state has a monopoly on administration. The state has monopoly on sentencing. The state has unlimited funds for prosecuting. Yet, at the end of criminal hearing, now we get the private industry involved. Would private police work better, Or private courts? After we have private police, working well, and private judges, then discussion of private prisons can start.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

So the state has a monopoly on enforcement. The state has a monopoly on administration. The state has monopoly on sentencing. The state has unlimited funds for prosecuting. Yet, at the end of criminal hearing, now we get the private industry involved. Would private police work better, Or private courts? After we have private police, working well, and private judges, then discussion of private prisons can start.

If you think we have corruption now.....

 

[Flash]

Privatizing prisons under our current Statist system isn't a wise idea. All that would do is give incentive for more people (Prison owners) to fight against the legalization of non-violent crimes.

 

[pcosmar]

I don't think so. More people in prison means more money.

BINGO!

People sentenced to private prisons are pushed to break rules to extend their term - the motive is profit!

They basically have a slave that will keep making them money - why would they want to loose that?

If you think we have corruption now.....

Exactly. The profit motive only insures more and more of the same.
Prisons should be prohibitively expensive. And only used as a necessary last resort for the worst offenders.
They should also be maintained locally, so the local society has a personal stake in their expense and use.

 

[Dreamofunity]

You should look into Daniel D'Amico's work.

 

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

I don't think so. More people in prison means more money.

Pretty much. Go read about the Prison Industrial Complex.

 

[treyfu]

A few points:
1. Keep in mind that in a free society, DROs, arbiters, and prison owners, etc are liable for their offenses against criminals. Thus any mistreatment of people would cost them.

2. A free society breeds a just society, which means there is a focus on restitution to the victim as opposed to punishment for the offender. This reinforces the necessity to create situations that provide that restitution in the most efficient and effective way possible, which would naturally restrain the mistreatment of offenders (extending "sentencing", etc.).

3. DROs/insurance companies have a vested interest in "rehabilitation" of offenders and in recovering the restitution monies that were paid to the victim immediately after the crime was committed. An offender who comes out of a restitution program (whatever that may be) having been abused is more likely to be a repeat offender, which is a liability for the DRO/insurance company. Their interest in recovering the restitution monies is obvious.

 

[Icymudpuppy]

They can extend sentences if a prisoner "misbehaves" - and they make sure they DO!

If sentences are set only in court, and there are no "victimless crimes", then misbehavior is not a sentenceable offense.